2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 7

[S.W.A.N]

So rumors say Demin is on the rise after combine and pro day. Also played well during march madness

I can't help but think of Delano Banton and Josh Giddy....

I really liked Banton's potential. And Giddy is excellent. Demin is possibly an upgrade on both of them if he hits his max potential. Sneaky great pick at 9?

[Clutch0z24]

Thank you for your comments, i've been waiting a while for some type of explanation and you're the first to give something of substance. I can see the link to Brunson except Jase needs to get bigger to eventually be a starter. Jase seems moreof a SG with some PG skills than a true PG while Pettiford is flat out a PG that can run your offense and direct traffic . I like Pettiford's game more but you can't be a starter in this league at 6'1 168 lbs, that would be my only reason to put Jase in front of Tahaad.

Jase is only 6’1.5 (6’6 wingspan) 178 lbs…those 10 pounds change everything?! lol

I’ll repeat he’s SMALLER than Quickley (6’3 w/ 6’8 wingspan). He’s pretty tiny himself.

Both are small and both cannot be starters at their respective weight, that's my stance. I was just looking for some explanation as to why Jase is ranked a fulll round ahead of Pettiford and the only thing i can come up with is the 10 pound difference and that Jase seems a bit stronger but other than that i don't see them a full round apart.

Maybe just Jase has a bigger impact in all categories? But its kind of silly to say "you shouldn't draft this player because theres a player later in the draft at his position you could draft"....They are still at the end of the day 2 different players...

It would be like saying don't draft any of the bigs at 9 because Kalkbrenner, Raynaurd, Wolf, Condon are in the later parts of the draft, Or don't draft a 3&D guy at 9 because Powell, Myles Bird, Noah Penda are later parts of the draft...

If Masai believes Jase could be the best player at 9 you pick him regardless of whos in the 2nd round....Considering Pettiford is prolly not making it to the 39th pick....Hes prolly gone in the 20s or early 2nd....

Jase has more skills imo than majority of the players being discussed at 9 in here imo... Thats why for me his upside is way higher because Jase can be a 3&D guy out the gate for you but he also has Scoring/Iso scoring/Break defender down upside ....These other 3&D guys imo do not have that upside...Condering Jase was one of the best iso scorers in this class...

Some people say if he were 6'3" instead of 6''1 (Hes basically 6'2" in shoes btw because hes closer to 6'2" in shoes than 6'1") They say he would be a top 5 pick....That to me says at 9th if you can get a top 5 talent you should prolly do that....I watched lots of Highschool film + College film on him .....He was a PG in High school and gave you decent assists on low turnovers...So for him to be a PG in the NBA should not be hard for anyone to see....Esp cause he has a good tight handle...In college they ran him as a combo guard because they already had an established PG in Fears....And Jase is such a dominant iso scorer so they just played them two together....

does that mean he can't run the PG spot....No ....If you do more research on him he does not turn the ball over and can pass if thats his role....His role in college was a shoot first scorer...

[Clutch0z24]

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This my pick at 9 atm would be a great addition to the team....Could develop him as our PG for the next decade...He can play Iso game but he can also pass ...kinda could run him as a Kyrie lite...Considering our team was ranked Bad on the offensive end/Halfcourt offense in the NBA last year....I think Jase comes in and helps both our offensive rating + Half court offense (Prolly one of the best half court scorers in this class)....It just makes sense for many reasons...And he also does not hurt you defensivly....where this team already ranks pretty good....

Adding Ingram + Jase next year will have us looking like a pretty good half court scoring team which is prolly our biggest weakness as a team....If we add another 3&D stand in the corner type of guy that won't really help our half court scoring or the offense much in general since i feel like we need more players that can get their own shots...The balance would just be better on the team overall with another guy that can score in so many different ways...

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

People keep saying 3+D, seeing a lot of Bryant/Essengue/CMB, but what if someone like Kon is available at #9? Possibility.

Here let me create a hypothetical situation and I’m curious if yall would take it or not…
A) kon is available and Masai drafts him. He is ready now and we want to compete
B) Masai looks to trade Dick since Kon is just a muchhh better version of him
C) the trade we land is RJ + Dick for 2 years of Durant

So essentially you turn RJ and Dick into Durant and Kon. Thats a lot of height on this team lol. Yay or nay?

You ride this core into the playoffs: 2 headed monster in Durant & Ingram, supported by Scottie & IQ, then your + role players in Poeltl, Kon, Ochai, and Walter. You can even add Shead and Mogbo in there. That’s DEEP

[Yallbecrazy]

A. You're not getting Durant for RJ and Dick
B. Salary wise you're not getting Durant for RJ and Dick

[JCP11]

I have Noa over Coward at the moment, but I might be warming up to Coward given his efficiency.

Is Jalen Williams a rough comparison for Coward? Williams with better handles and more ability to run an offensive scheme. Coward with better shooting/efficiency. Both older rookies with 7'2 wingspan. Both have similar agility and hops. Cedric's an inch taller, standing reach an inch higher.

I wouldn’t compare Coward to Williams, for me he reminds me of Raptors Norman Powell, just bigger.

Physically or game wise? Norm was way more athletic and his shot wasn't quite there coming out. Norm could get to the rim at will while Coward doesn't have the athleticism nor handles to get to the rim constantly. Their games are very different.

[JCP11]

Jase is only 6’1.5 (6’6 wingspan) 178 lbs…those 10 pounds change everything?! lol

I’ll repeat he’s SMALLER than Quickley (6’3 w/ 6’8 wingspan). He’s pretty tiny himself.

Both are small and both cannot be starters at their respective weight, that's my stance. I was just looking for some explanation as to why Jase is ranked a fulll round ahead of Pettiford and the only thing i can come up with is the 10 pound difference and that Jase seems a bit stronger but other than that i don't see them a full round apart.

Maybe just Jase has a bigger impact in all categories? But its kind of silly to say "you shouldn't draft this player because theres a player later in the draft at his position you could draft"....They are still at the end of the day 2 different players...

It would be like saying don't draft any of the bigs at 9 because Kalkbrenner, Raynaurd, Wolf, Condon are in the later parts of the draft, Or don't draft a 3&D guy at 9 because Powell, Myles Bird, Noah Penda are later parts of the draft...

If Masai believes Jase could be the best player at 9 you pick him regardless of whos in the 2nd round....Considering Pettiford is prolly not making it to the 39th pick....Hes prolly gone in the 20s or early 2nd....

Jase has more skills imo than majority of the players being discussed at 9 in here imo... Thats why for me his upside is way higher because Jase can be a 3&D guy out the gate for you but he also has Scoring/Iso scoring/Break defender down upside ....These other 3&D guys imo do not have that upside...Condering Jase was one of the best iso scorers in this class...

Some people say if he were 6'3" instead of 6''1 (Hes basically 6'2" in shoes btw because hes closer to 6'2" in shoes than 6'1") They say he would be a top 5 pick....That to me says at 9th if you can get a top 5 talent you should prolly do that....I watched lots of Highschool film + College film on him .....He was a PG in High school and gave you decent assists on low turnovers...So for him to be a PG in the NBA should not be hard for anyone to see....Esp cause he has a good tight handle...In college they ran him as a combo guard because they already had an established PG in Fears....And Jase is such a dominant iso scorer so they just played them two together....

does that mean he can't run the PG spot....No ....If you do more research on him he does not turn the ball over and can pass if thats his role....His role in college was a shoot first scorer...

I still think Pettiford is as talented if not more than Jase, that lack of strength is what's holding is overall game back. Jase plays with more strength and it shows on tape and it helps him survive at his size. I didn't say he couldn't play PG , he actually has PG skills but every scouting report I read and tape I watch suggest this is a question mark right now.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Why is Sorber mocked so low? The foot injury?

He actually has the defensive numbers to indicate he can be a defensive anchor unlike Malauch

[CPT]

People keep saying 3+D, seeing a lot of Bryant/Essengue/CMB, but what if someone like Kon is available at #9? Possibility.

Here let me create a hypothetical situation and I’m curious if yall would take it or not…
A) kon is available and Masai drafts him. He is ready now and we want to compete
B) Masai looks to trade Dick since Kon is just a muchhh better version of him
C) the trade we land is RJ + Dick for 2 years of Durant

So essentially you turn RJ and Dick into Durant and Kon. Thats a lot of height on this team lol. Yay or nay?

You ride this core into the playoffs: 2 headed monster in Durant & Ingram, supported by Scottie & IQ, then your + role players in Poeltl, Kon, Ochai, and Walter. You can even add Shead and Mogbo in there. That’s DEEP

Obviously you trade RJ and Dick for Durant, regardless of what happens with this pick.

Problem is it doesn’t work for a variety of reasons, starting with… why would Phoenix ever do that?

[Indeed]

People keep saying 3+D, seeing a lot of Bryant/Essengue/CMB, but what if someone like Kon is available at #9? Possibility.

Here let me create a hypothetical situation and I’m curious if yall would take it or not…
A) kon is available and Masai drafts him. He is ready now and we want to compete
B) Masai looks to trade Dick since Kon is just a muchhh better version of him
C) the trade we land is RJ + Dick for 2 years of Durant

So essentially you turn RJ and Dick into Durant and Kon. Thats a lot of height on this team lol. Yay or nay?

You ride this core into the playoffs: 2 headed monster in Durant & Ingram, supported by Scottie & IQ, then your + role players in Poeltl, Kon, Ochai, and Walter. You can even add Shead and Mogbo in there. That’s DEEP

No thank you for Knueppel.
Mock draft claimed to play SF, but his measurement is SG (6'5 without shoe, 6'6 wingspan, pretty bad). He basically offered the same as Walter without defense.

I would not be surprised Knueppel and Maluach will drop, their measurement are bad. One being undersize, the other with bottom 5 lane agility and bottom 5 leaping. Just because they played at Duke, they are being overrated.

[MEDIC]

People keep saying 3+D, seeing a lot of Bryant/Essengue/CMB, but what if someone like Kon is available at #9? Possibility.

Here let me create a hypothetical situation and I’m curious if yall would take it or not…
A) kon is available and Masai drafts him. He is ready now and we want to compete
B) Masai looks to trade Dick since Kon is just a muchhh better version of him
C) the trade we land is RJ + Dick for 2 years of Durant

So essentially you turn RJ and Dick into Durant and Kon. Thats a lot of height on this team lol. Yay or nay?

You ride this core into the playoffs: 2 headed monster in Durant & Ingram, supported by Scottie & IQ, then your + role players in Poeltl, Kon, Ochai, and Walter. You can even add Shead and Mogbo in there. That’s DEEP

I think for the most part people are assuming Kon will be gone. If he does fall, then you have to strongly consider him at 9.

[Yallbecrazy]

Why is Sorber mocked so low? The foot injury?

He actually has the defensive numbers to indicate he can be a defensive anchor unlike Malauch

He was putting up monster numbers in the beginning of the year and then his numbers were quickly coming back to Earth once Big East conference play began, both offensively and defensively. Small sample size of conference play, but there are competition concerns and sample size concerns on his incredible start, plus the injury concerns, and reports are that he doesn't have the quickness to guard on the perimeter.

[Raptorfan2012]

I would definitely look to flip Dick this draft for a late first-rounder. The team is looking to win next season; the pecking order is going to change with Ingram needing to be fed. We will have less patience with guys like Dick if he cannot play defense. Might as well try to sell him while he still has that 'potential' tag.

[djsunyc]

I would definitely look to flip Dick this draft for a late first-rounder. The team is looking to win next season; the pecking order is going to change with Ingram needing to be fed. We will have less patience with guys like Dick if he cannot play defense. Might as well try to sell him while he still has that 'potential' tag.

that is poor asset management.

[Raptorfan2012]

I would definitely look to flip Dick this draft for a late first-rounder. The team is looking to win next season; the pecking order is going to change with Ingram needing to be fed. We will have less patience with guys like Dick if he cannot play defense. Might as well try to sell him while he still has that 'potential' tag.

that is poor asset management.

How so? This is supposed to be a deep draft and we may be able to fill more pressing holes that what Dick can offer. We can save a bit more money as well. Lots of bigs and 3-D wings may be available between 20-30.

[JCP11]

I would definitely look to flip Dick this draft for a late first-rounder. The team is looking to win next season; the pecking order is going to change with Ingram needing to be fed. We will have less patience with guys like Dick if he cannot play defense. Might as well try to sell him while he still has that 'potential' tag.

that is poor asset management.

How so? This is supposed to be a deep draft and we may be able to fill more pressing holes that what Dick can offer. We can save a bit more money as well. Lots of bigs and 3-D wings may be available between 20-30.

Because you would like Gradey to develop a bit more before thinking about trading him, he just got here and we're a young team, a trade like that wouldn't make sense at all. Let him develop until you have no more options and then you reevaluate your position.

[Clutch0z24]

If Gradey is going to be traded hes going to be involved in a package for a more established player....Not for a late 1st rounder on a rook we have to develop....Rookies rarely help you win games in their first years....So i think we hold onto Gradey...Unless we get Kon or Tre....But even then i think we use him for a bigger trade than a late first...Prolly use him to bring in a Vetern big man if we get Kon/Tre

[Mark_83]

https://www.nba.com/news/the-athletic-nba-draft-prospects-compare-themselves-to-current-players

Cedric Coward, 6-5 guard, Washington State

“I think there’s a lot. Kawhi (Leonard) is one, Mikal Bridges is another. We’re both long and lanky. Jalen Williams from the Thunder — you know, mid-major guy. But I think what all those people have in common, to my game at least, is the ability to do it on both ends of the floor, the ability to be all around, the ability to have that dog mentality. I don’t think you can look at one of those players when they’re all healthy and be like, ‘Well, he doesn’t do this well.’ As they’ve elevated their games and continue to elevate their games, they’re known as some of the best players in the world. I also think Cade Cunningham is a good one. A big guard being able to control the floor, control the game and, you know, developing into that for myself. I see myself as a big guard. If you go watch Washington State film, I played a lot more of the one this year than I have in the past. I was getting a lot more comfortable doing that. It sucks that I got hurt because I felt like I was really just clicking, and I was ready to go off, but at the end of the day, God has a plan for everybody. But if I were to compare myself, those (players) would be it.”

[Indeed]

People overrate our players again. Dick doesn't have that much value.

[Indeed]

Why is Sorber mocked so low? The foot injury?

He actually has the defensive numbers to indicate he can be a defensive anchor unlike Malauch

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