PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance

[Context]

I dont understand how the knicks can beat the defending champions in 6 with miraculous comebacks only to lose to the goddamm pacers. This is the false hope that I can't stand.

KP with AIDS or whatever it was changes how BOS can attack teams. It was always a gift....we took advantage of it and credit to us...but we don't beat a fully healthy BOS team consistently.

to add to this mph...the celtics were playing with a short rotation like us- that definitely helped us as well.

[HEZI]

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Livingston could dribble. That’s disrespectful to Livingston

[Im Coming Home]

You know what the worst part is for me?

Realizing Brunson isn't the seemingly perfect player who would always make the right play and never let us lose big games

He seemed when he first came here he could do no wrong, and I don't mean that in a rose tinted glasses kinda way, I mean it literally, like when he first got here he just always seemed to come up big at the most important times, or if he didn't we always had some way to logically excuse him for it

But now? I really don't know man, he's my favorite Knick of the last 20+ years, he took a huge pay cut, etc but man.. we've routinely **** the bed against teams we could/should beat or there's an opportunity to come up big and we never capitalize on the series.

Started with the Heat series years ago, then last year I know injuries but still we had a shot and blew it, now this year, Pacers are not more talented on paper, they have B level stars, we have 2 A level starts IMO, yet we come up short again.

I'm sad because I had such assurance in my mind that Brunson would lead us to the promise land if we gave him a talented roster around him, but once again he comes up short as the leader and loses to a clown like Haliburton.

It's just disappointing man, I want to believe in him but year after year I'm realizing he is a normal player with flaws and stuff, I thought his life long of growing up with basketball and how level headed he is would assure us he would always come up big and never let stuff like this happen to the team, but he doesn't prevent it, it keeps happening now every year ends up disappointment and feeling like "we should have beaten that team they weren't better than us" it's never "damn that team just was so much better than us that we lost" were losing series we should win.

"they have B level stars, we have 2 A level stars"

Who the f*** are the "2 A-Level Stars" ? Neither KAT nor Brunson are A Level Stars and never have been. How delusional lmao they're b-level stars. They are sidekicks at the very best. Hali is a much more polished player than Brunson, Siakam = KAT (But siakam has mental toughness and champion
pedigree while KAT....)

"much more polished player" yeah ok, Brunson has the best footwork in the league.. hes much more polished, he's so undersized and still does what he does, if Haliburton was Brunson's size he'd be a bench player.

[Enzo954]

You know what the worst part is for me?

Realizing Brunson isn't the seemingly perfect player who would always make the right play and never let us lose big games

He seemed when he first came here he could do no wrong, and I don't mean that in a rose tinted glasses kinda way, I mean it literally, like when he first got here he just always seemed to come up big at the most important times, or if he didn't we always had some way to logically excuse him for it

But now? I really don't know man, he's my favorite Knick of the last 20+ years, he took a huge pay cut, etc but man.. we've routinely **** the bed against teams we could/should beat or there's an opportunity to come up big and we never capitalize on the series.

Started with the Heat series years ago, then last year I know injuries but still we had a shot and blew it, now this year, Pacers are not more talented on paper, they have B level stars, we have 2 A level starts IMO, yet we come up short again.

I'm sad because I had such assurance in my mind that Brunson would lead us to the promise land if we gave him a talented roster around him, but once again he comes up short as the leader and loses to a clown like Haliburton.

It's just disappointing man, I want to believe in him but year after year I'm realizing he is a normal player with flaws and stuff, I thought his life long of growing up with basketball and how level headed he is would assure us he would always come up big and never let stuff like this happen to the team, but he doesn't prevent it, it keeps happening now every year ends up disappointment and feeling like "we should have beaten that team they weren't better than us" it's never "damn that team just was so much better than us that we lost" were losing series we should win.

"they have B level stars, we have 2 A level stars"

Who the f*** are the "2 A-Level Stars" ? Neither KAT nor Brunson are A Level Stars and never have been. How delusional lmao they're b-level stars. They are sidekicks at the very best. Hali is a much more polished player than Brunson, Siakam = KAT (But siakam has mental toughness and champion
pedigree while KAT....)

WTF are you smoking? We have two All Stars on the squad. How are All-Stars not A-level stars? The East gets 12 All Stars selected to the All Star team every year. There are approximately 270 players in the eastern conference. So out of 270 players Kat and Brunson were 2 out of 12 selected to the All Star team. They're A-level stars.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

But all of our comebacks involve Hart in there. When Robinson went to the bench we did end up tying the game in the 2nd quarter with Hart. Then Robinson came back and Pacers took the lead going into halftime. Opening the 3rd the Pacers extended the lead again despite Hart not being on the floor.

Harts turnovers yesterday likely cost us the game, today isn't the day to defend him.

Sure they did. All that work your two big lineup did of looking like crap was thrown away by Hart

2 big lineup didn't even play 15 minutes together, KAT got into foul trouble and left, then Hart came in, sped up the game like an idiot and started throwing perfect passes to the Pacers who had 20 pts off turnovers.

You picked quite the day to defend Hart, he had as many assists to the Pacers as anyone did our team to each other.

[whocares1]

I dont understand how the knicks can beat the defending champions in 6 with miraculous comebacks only to lose to the goddamm pacers. This is the false hope that I can't stand.

KP with AIDS or whatever it was changes how BOS can attack teams. It was always a gift....we took advantage of it and credit to us...but we don't beat a fully healthy BOS team consistently.

to add to this mph...the celtics were playing with a short rotation like us- that definitely helped us as well.

You realize that KP is hurt every single season right? Using that an excuse is hilarious bc he was literally hurt the postseason before too.

[Gravy]

Hart is the definition of glue guy. He was holding that group together and the moment he was removed from the lineup is when things fell apart

Everyone focuses on his lack of shooting but he adds many things to the sl; extra ball handling, assists, rebounding, toughness. He is our Draymond.

He does add that stuff but he also loses his guy a lot. He's like Drayomd without the defense.

He should be the super sixth man like last season but we dont have much better options

[MrDollarBills]

It wasn’t the minutes distribution. Mitch was a -20 in 18 minutes. If the lineup didn’t work even in limited minutes there’s no reason to think he would have worked in the 4th either

Interesting how we never lost the 1st or 2nd quarter or never trailed going into the 4th in either the 1st or 2nd games with our regular starters and rotation. But the moment we took Hart out of the starting lineup and replaced him with Robinson is when we lost every 1st and 2nd quarter while trailing going into the 4th. Last night we gave up 43 points to them in the 1st quarter.

Quoting just to boost it

That's fine.

Now tell me the plus minus for that starting group with Josh Hart.

[robillionaire]

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Because they mostly place when Hali isn’t on the floor. Make any of them play more when he is and it won’t stay that way.

They play when Brunson is off the floor don’t @me

[MrDollarBills]

Harts turnovers yesterday likely cost us the game, today isn't the day to defend him.

Sure they did. All that work your two big lineup did of looking like crap was thrown away by Hart

2 big lineup didn't even play 15 minutes together, KAT got into foul trouble and left, then Hart came in, sped up the game like an idiot and started throwing perfect passes to the Pacers who had 20 pts off turnovers.

You picked quite the day to defend Hart, he had as many assists to the Pacers as anyone did our team to each other.

I'm at a loss as to why this discussion is even being had. Josh was one of the worst players on the floor last night.

[robillionaire]

You know what the worst part is for me?

Realizing Brunson isn't the seemingly perfect player who would always make the right play and never let us lose big games

He seemed when he first came here he could do no wrong, and I don't mean that in a rose tinted glasses kinda way, I mean it literally, like when he first got here he just always seemed to come up big at the most important times, or if he didn't we always had some way to logically excuse him for it

But now? I really don't know man, he's my favorite Knick of the last 20+ years, he took a huge pay cut, etc but man.. we've routinely **** the bed against teams we could/should beat or there's an opportunity to come up big and we never capitalize on the series.

Started with the Heat series years ago, then last year I know injuries but still we had a shot and blew it, now this year, Pacers are not more talented on paper, they have B level stars, we have 2 A level starts IMO, yet we come up short again.

I'm sad because I had such assurance in my mind that Brunson would lead us to the promise land if we gave him a talented roster around him, but once again he comes up short as the leader and loses to a clown like Haliburton.

It's just disappointing man, I want to believe in him but year after year I'm realizing he is a normal player with flaws and stuff, I thought his life long of growing up with basketball and how level headed he is would assure us he would always come up big and never let stuff like this happen to the team, but he doesn't prevent it, it keeps happening now every year ends up disappointment and feeling like "we should have beaten that team they weren't better than us" it's never "damn that team just was so much better than us that we lost" were losing series we should win.

"they have B level stars, we have 2 A level stars"

Who the f*** are the "2 A-Level Stars" ? Neither KAT nor Brunson are A Level Stars and never have been. How delusional lmao they're b-level stars. They are sidekicks at the very best. Hali is a much more polished player than Brunson, Siakam = KAT (But siakam has mental toughness and champion
pedigree while KAT....)

WTF are you smoking? We have two All Stars on the squad. How are All-Stars not A-level stars? The East gets 12 All Stars selected to the All Star team every year. There are approximately 270 players in the eastern conference. So out of 270 players Kat and Brunson were 2 out of 12 selected to the All Star team. They're A-level stars.

Not only that they were starters. So 2 of 5

[god shammgod]

Interesting how we never lost the 1st or 2nd quarter or never trailed going into the 4th in either the 1st or 2nd games with our regular starters and rotation. But the moment we took Hart out of the starting lineup and replaced him with Robinson is when we lost every 1st and 2nd quarter while trailing going into the 4th. Last night we gave up 43 points to them in the 1st quarter.

Quoting just to boost it

That's fine.

Now tell me the plus minus for that starting group with Josh Hart.

we did in fact lose both 1st quarters of game 1 and 2 when the starters were in. if the point is the big lineup didn't really fix anything, that's fine. i believe it was -1 in game 3. and i don't know what it was in this game but i'm sure it wasn't good. there probably isn't a lineup we can put together that fixes all our problems.

[robillionaire]

Interesting how we never lost the 1st or 2nd quarter or never trailed going into the 4th in either the 1st or 2nd games with our regular starters and rotation. But the moment we took Hart out of the starting lineup and replaced him with Robinson is when we lost every 1st and 2nd quarter while trailing going into the 4th. Last night we gave up 43 points to them in the 1st quarter.

Quoting just to boost it

That's fine.

Now tell me the plus minus for that starting group with Josh Hart.

I actually don’t know it

But as bad as he was last night I’d still feel comfortable going to war with him next time in hope he bounces back. He’s had some really good games with us over the past couple years. And he competes. Can’t say I have the same comfort about some others on the team who have struggled. (Mikal)

[Enzo954]

"they have B level stars, we have 2 A level stars"

Who the f*** are the "2 A-Level Stars" ? Neither KAT nor Brunson are A Level Stars and never have been. How delusional lmao they're b-level stars. They are sidekicks at the very best. Hali is a much more polished player than Brunson, Siakam = KAT (But siakam has mental toughness and champion
pedigree while KAT....)

WTF are you smoking? We have two All Stars on the squad. How are All-Stars not A-level stars? The East gets 12 All Stars selected to the All Star team every year. There are approximately 270 players in the eastern conference. So out of 270 players Kat and Brunson were 2 out of 12 selected to the All Star team. They're A-level stars.

Not only that they were starters. So 2 of 5

Exactly. That poster must only consider A-level stars MVP candidates or some nonsense. That crap that people believe astonishes me sometimes.

[god shammgod]

KP with AIDS or whatever it was changes how BOS can attack teams. It was always a gift....we took advantage of it and credit to us...but we don't beat a fully healthy BOS team consistently.

to add to this mph...the celtics were playing with a short rotation like us- that definitely helped us as well.

You realize that KP is hurt every single season right? Using that an excuse is hilarious bc he was literally hurt the postseason before too.

he missed like 85 percent of the playoffs last year

[Besart19]

Maybe the Pacers are just really good? Remember, last year they didn't have Hailburton for 2 games against Boston. That was like a fraudulent run by the Celtics.

We were on our way to sweep them last year tho until we got hit with 1037394283 injuries. I think OKC gives them a gentleman sweep.

We can still win this series... game 6 will be tough but not impossible to get

[Context]

KP with AIDS or whatever it was changes how BOS can attack teams. It was always a gift....we took advantage of it and credit to us...but we don't beat a fully healthy BOS team consistently.

to add to this mph...the celtics were playing with a short rotation like us- that definitely helped us as well.

You realize that KP is hurt every single season right? Using that an excuse is hilarious bc he was literally hurt the postseason before too.

Just so you know- my stance on injuries is - if you are on the floor I dont want to hear it. The fact was KP wasnt 100%. However, neither was Mitch.
Our team hasnt even played for an entire year. I dont think stating specific points about why a team won is an "excuse". I just think it's part of
"discussion" and analysis.

[MrDollarBills]

Haliburton isn't better than Brunson and Siakam isn't better than KAT

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Our two are being taken to the shed this series by their "big two"...

Are they? All I see is one team understanding how play team basketball and exploit the weaknesses of the other team a lot better. Is Hailburton also guarding Brunson?

KAT is averaging 26 and 12 on 53/46/84.

And I see the same as you do. One team that knows their system, personnel and are prepared for the opponent. The other looks clueless on both ends.

[Context]

Maybe the Pacers are just really good? Remember, last year they didn't have Hailburton for 2 games against Boston. That was like a fraudulent run by the Celtics.

We were on our way to sweep them last year tho until we got hit with 1037394283 injuries. I think OKC gives them a gentleman sweep.

We can still win this series... game 6 will be tough but not impossible to get

All we have to do is not wet the bed at home and then the pressure is on Indy to close out-which is very difficult for the closeout team in this league.

[whocares1]

The post season is about exploiting favorable matchups. If we can force Indiana into a half-court game, it favors us. Our biggest favorable matchup is clearly KAT vs whomever. He doesn't even touch the ball every quarter and it's not like he is on the floor for defense.

Get back on defense, stop turning it over, force them to play half-court and get Kat the ball. Our coach is inept and needs to go.

Won’t work bc unless we get every rebound they are going to blitz every time down on the other end. They adjusted to Mitchell Robinson mostly and take advantage of him switching onto Hali so he’s too far from the basket to get an offensive rebound. Knicks should instead look to play more players that can guard Hali in isolation without causing more drastic mismatches.