2025 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #3 New York Knicks vs #4 Indiana Pacers (IND leads 3-1)

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Who wins Game 4??

Pacers win at home and go up 3-1
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Knicks get the road win and tie it up at 2-2
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Re: 2025 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #3 New York Knicks vs #4 Indiana Pacers (IND leads 3-1) 

Post#1181 » by Mamba81p » Thu May 29, 2025 12:40 am

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It’s lazy analysis on your end if you genuinely believe a player averaging 33 on 62% TS can’t be the #1 option on a championship team.

When that player leads the league in playoffs in dribbles/touch, sec/touch in the last 3 postseasons while being having the defensive issues that he has, I don’t think a player like that can be a #1 player on a championship team. I only count qualified players not players who played 1 or 2 games
He is beating guys like Luka and harden easily in those stats, and that should scream that something has to change in his game


It’d be an issue if that player wasn’t efficient, but he’s averaging 30 on 57.5% TS throughout the playoffs. You’re not finding many #1 options that can produce at that level. If you’re building around a player like that, you find a way to cover his weaknesses.

It doesn’t help that Thibs doesn’t use the talent on the roster to cover those weaknesses, but that’s a different discussion.

James harden had 30 & 57% plus a lot of seasons where those numbers varied a little. Last season Brunson ts% was lower so I think harden is a good comparison and he is twice the playmaker/passer that Brunson is and a lot of people say that you cannot win with harden as your #1, so it’s nothing personal against Brunson. That style of play has been proven until now that you cannot win with it.

LeBron is the closest example but he changed his game dramatically after he left Cleveland the first time. He is nowhere near the top in those categories.
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Re: 2025 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #3 New York Knicks vs #4 Indiana Pacers (IND leads 3-1) 

Post#1182 » by The Warrior » Thu May 29, 2025 1:48 am

Jalen Bumson can't hold a candle to Tyrese Haliburton. One is an unathletic upgraded version of Fred Van Vleet while the other is a real star.

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Re: 2025 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #3 New York Knicks vs #4 Indiana Pacers (IND leads 3-1) 

Post#1183 » by Pacerlive » Thu May 29, 2025 2:25 am

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Bad take.

Hali would look awful on a team like this if he’s coached by Thibs. Carlisle would make it work with Brunson the same way he did back in Dallas.


Thibs isn't holding Brunson back. Brunson literally played for Carlisle. He was always a ball stopper. That's not to say he's a bad player. It's just his play style.

Haliburton wouldn't stop playmaking just because he's being coached by Thibs. Thibs' offences haven't traditionally been very dynamic, but he's also never coached a player like Hali.


Yes, Brunson played for Carlisle. And they did very well keeping that Dallas team afloat whenever Luka was out. But that’s not the point. On this current Knicks roster, I’m sure Carlisle would be able to maximize everyone, not just Brunson.

In turn, I doubt Thibs would be able to maximize a player like Hali. A lot of Thibs current offensive scheme relies on Brunson being able to score in isolation. Brunson isn’t the passer Hali is, but Hali would not be used the way Carlisle uses him now if the roles were switched.

I would take Hali over Brunson regardless of which team but the Knicks would have to be rebuilt. They do not have the horses to run with Hali. Brunson on the Pacers wouldn't work. The whole point of the Pacers offense is to generate easy looks for shooters. Haliburton does this and Brunson doesn't have that ability.
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Re: 2025 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #3 New York Knicks vs #4 Indiana Pacers (IND leads 3-1) 

Post#1184 » by basketballwacko2 » Thu May 29, 2025 2:40 am

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I was stating that in general, not meant to be at you.


It’s lazy analysis on your end if you genuinely believe a player averaging 33 on 62% TS can’t be the #1 option on a championship team.


Lets see who turns out to be right the next few years. :lol:



If we are talking about Brunson I'm on record that he is a great player! I wanted him in the 2018 draft. The Pacers took Aaron Holiday at 23 could have been Brunson!
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Post#1185 » by RookieStar » Thu May 29, 2025 2:40 am

My prediction next game : IND saw this MIN-OKC game and decides to go in for the kill early.

Want a game 7 though lol
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Post#1186 » by basketballwacko2 » Thu May 29, 2025 2:48 am

The Warrior wrote:Jalen Bumson can't hold a candle to Tyrese Haliburton. One is an unathletic upgraded version of Fred Van Vleet while the other is a real star.

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I prefer Haliburton too, but Brunson is still a great player.
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Post#1187 » by basketballwacko2 » Thu May 29, 2025 2:50 am

JulesWinnfield wrote:If Towns is good to go health wise in game 5, I’m still not ready to throw in the towel. I think the Knicks will win game 5. Then it comes down to game 6 and whether or not the Knicks can force a game 7 at msg by winning on the road. I realize this has nothing to do with 2025, but I’ve personally witnessed the Knicks win a game 6 on the road at Indy while facing elimination twice already in my life (94,95). Like the exact same identical situation in the same city, down 3-2 and have to get the game on the road. And they’ve already won there in this series 3 days ago so I don’t need to go back 30 years

It’s not at all likely. But I don’t think this is over. The Knicks were unlikely to ever win both games 3 and 4. To me the more realistic blueprint was always win one of those games (which they did) and then protect home court in game 5 and hope you can get game 6 on the road to put yourself back in an advantageous position

The most likely outcome right now is Pacers in 6. But I don’t think it’s at all a lock



I think Towns is gonna pull a Willis Reed he's gonna limp out there on one leg and have a good game. Depending on how bad he's really hurt will determine how good. A knee bruise can be a real issue.
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Re: 2025 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #3 New York Knicks vs #4 Indiana Pacers (IND leads 3-1) 

Post#1188 » by basketballwacko2 » Thu May 29, 2025 2:54 am

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Karate Diop wrote:It's funny the hurdles people want to jump through to defend Brunson when the flaws we're seeing are the same ones objective fans have always called out... Man's is a worse defender than Trae.


You’re not objective at all :lol:

Brunson isn’t the reason we’re down 3-1.


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Post#1189 » by Raps in 4 » Thu May 29, 2025 4:04 am

Time for the Pacers to punch their ticket.
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Post#1190 » by OldSchoolNoBull » Thu May 29, 2025 4:33 am

I've been pulling for the Knicks all playoffs. After they advanced to the ECF, I felt like they had a shot to beat anyone, that a championship was possible. But given the situation they're in now...even if they did pull it off and win three in a row to advance, it would require so much physical and mental energy that I fear they would have nothing left for OKC, whom they'd have to start playing on a three day turnaround after Game 7 while OKC's been resting for a week after not having to exert themselves much in the WCF.

For these reasons, I'm beginning to think that, if you're a neutral fan whose interest lies only in the Finals being as competitive as possible, that you'd be pulling for the Pacers to win tomorrow so that they can be as fresh as OKC.
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Post#1191 » by jkvonny » Thu May 29, 2025 6:19 am

Alright, Indiana, waiting on yall!

OKC is waiting patiently
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Post#1192 » by cgf » Thu May 29, 2025 11:41 am

Welp, it’s game day. Let’s see if we can extend our season…
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Post#1193 » by cgf » Thu May 29, 2025 11:44 am

The Warrior wrote:Jalen Bumson can't hold a candle to Tyrese Haliburton. One is an unathletic upgraded version of Fred Van Vleet while the other is a real star.

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upgraded van vleet :lol:
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Post#1194 » by Yank3525 » Thu May 29, 2025 1:41 pm

picc wrote:Man I really envy the Pacers crowd. The energy in that arena can be felt through your ass on a couch. There are no fans like people who have absolutely nothing to do aside from root for their town sports team.

Lakers will never have that kind of homecourt advantage. Thots glued to their phones all game and bros texting their hedge fund managers smh. Should be an max income cap on the seats.


Yeah. I can't even remember the last great Lakers crowd....maybe Game 7 against Boston?
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Post#1195 » by wang000hk » Thu May 29, 2025 1:46 pm

Pacers must get this series ended tonight if they want a legit chance for getting the gold trophy against well rested Thunder
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Post#1196 » by Optms » Thu May 29, 2025 1:49 pm

Maybe I'm crazy but I still think the Knicks can take this to game 7 and possibly win.
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Post#1197 » by durden_tyler » Thu May 29, 2025 1:50 pm

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Hmmm. Looks like the Knicks can extend this series, leaning towards a New York blowout win…


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Post#1198 » by Drakeem » Thu May 29, 2025 2:29 pm

The Brunson hate after he was arguably the best player in the playoffs for the first two rounds is corny.

Newsflash, not everyone is Jordan/Bron where they'll play near perfect each series outside of a few outliers. Good players can struggle and have off nights or even full playoff series where the match up doesn't suit them. This bi-polarness towards players from one series to another is ridiculous. Stop being a prisoner of the moment.
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Post#1199 » by GiannisAnte34 » Thu May 29, 2025 2:55 pm

Drakeem wrote:The Brunson hate after he was arguably the best player in the playoffs for the first two rounds is corny.

Newsflash, not everyone is Jordan/Bron where they'll play near perfect each series outside of a few outliers. Good players can struggle and have off nights or even full playoff series where the match up doesn't suit them. This bi-polarness towards players from one series to another is ridiculous. Stop being a prisoner of the moment.


Fans have done this even with way better players like Jokic and Giannis being “exposed” because they couldn’t take down clearly superior teams while their cast is injured
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Post#1200 » by Handlez » Thu May 29, 2025 2:58 pm

Drakeem wrote:The Brunson hate after he was arguably the best player in the playoffs for the first two rounds is corny.

Newsflash, not everyone is Jordan/Bron where they'll play near perfect each series outside of a few outliers. Good players can struggle and have off nights or even full playoff series where the match up doesn't suit them. This bi-polarness towards players from one series to another is ridiculous. Stop being a prisoner of the moment.


And he's averaging 33 for the series lol.

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