Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team

[JRoy]

Giannis is stringing this alone to put pressure on the Bucks front office. Giannis is staying in Milwaukee.

Put pressure on them to do what exactly?

Exactly.

Upgrade their team how exactly? They have possibly the worst trade assets in the league.

[RRyder823]

He is still leaving just a question of when.

"Still leaving" implies he was leaving and decided to stay instead of morons simply believing what they wanted to believe based off people theory crafting

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[Packbuckman]

Giannis is stringing this alone to put pressure on the Bucks front office. Giannis is staying in Milwaukee.

Put pressure on them to do what exactly?

Exactly.

Upgrade their team how exactly? They have possibly the worst trade assets in the league.

By signing KpJ GTJ Sims Portis hit on pick 47 don’t start kuzma and Prince and play the young players to develop them. The bucks were way better when Giannis was out there with shooters and youth un lock Gianni’s at pg for the season. Let Dame heal up and see if he is ready for next yrs playoffs which the bucks will make and then get a good player with their 26 1st rd pick that’s how. This team is a lot better than out side people think

[Texas Chuck]

He is still leaving just a question of when.

"Still leaving" implies he was leaving and decided to stay instead of morons simply believing what they wanted to believe based off people theory crafting

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So my two options are:

He's 100% staying
Or I'm a moron with a confirmation bias?

I want him to stay and I don't want to be a moron with confirmation bias so I guess I choose option A? Don't believe its really that simple, but life is easier if so, so thanks.

[JRoy]

Put pressure on them to do what exactly?

Exactly.

Upgrade their team how exactly? They have possibly the worst trade assets in the league.

By signing KpJ GTJ Sims Portis hit on pick 47 don’t start kuzma and Prince and play the young players to develop them. The bucks were way better when Giannis was out there with shooters and youth un lock Gianni’s at pg for the season. Let Dame heal up and see if he is ready for next yrs playoffs which the bucks will make and then get a good player with their 26 1st rd pick that’s how. This team is a lot better than out side people think

Fair enough.

Playing the young players usually means losing. I like the chances of a healthy MIL team featuring GA and Lillard, just don’t believe we will see that in the future, unfortunately.

Hitting on draft choices is crucial for a team in need of quality players on value contracts. Do you like the odds of MIL drafting well?

[JShuttlesworth]

Put pressure on them to do what exactly?

Exactly.

Upgrade their team how exactly? They have possibly the worst trade assets in the league.

By signing KpJ GTJ Sims Portis hit on pick 47 don’t start kuzma and Prince and play the young players to develop them. The bucks were way better when Giannis was out there with shooters and youth un lock Gianni’s at pg for the season. Let Dame heal up and see if he is ready for next yrs playoffs which the bucks will make and then get a good player with their 26 1st rd pick that’s how. This team is a lot better than out side people think

That's the plan? Yikes.

All those players are already on the roster. Re-signing players isn't doing anything, in fact, it's doing nothing

[Bernman]

He is still leaving just a question of when.

"Still leaving" implies he was leaving and decided to stay instead of morons simply believing what they wanted to believe based off people theory crafting

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So my two options are:

He's 100% staying
Or I'm a moron with a confirmation bias?

I want him to stay and I don't want to be a moron with confirmation bias so I guess I choose option A? Don't believe its really that simple, but life is easier if so, so thanks.

This is a straw man/projection. That was in response to someone definitively saying he was leaving, based on hope, or vague open-mindedness from a "league source" which has been wrong for 6 years. Conversely, another report from a Bucks' beat guy was concrete, that he made with the Bucks during the combine, and affirmed he was happy.

So there's no cause for "Sixers in 4" to have made such a strong presumption, yet you just took issue w/ the response, which was not near as definitive, & the default. It was a rebuke of such a strong belief based on no real evidence. That was just what he'd do/wants him to, or gullibility to fall for the same vague rumor-mongering ESPN & co have done for 6 yrs. And they were basically like "we were lying before, but this time it's real".

[Scalabrine]

Giannis will force a trade to Knicks come January 2026 whether Knicks win the ship or lose in the ECF or Finals.

Towns plus OG for Giannis. Win win for both teams.

Thats not a win for the Knicks.

We consolidated depth in the KAT trade. We need depth at this point. We need a 6th man/scorer off the bench and we need a playoff capable backup point guard.

I'd love an Off-Season that looks like this:
- Re-sign 2 of Achiuwa/Shamet/Wright to vet min's
- Sign one of Tate/Lyles
- Sign one of Tyus or Tre Jones/Schroeder/Brogdon/CP3/Dinwiddie

Mitch/Achiuwa/Hukporti
KAT/OG/Tate
OG/Hart/Dadiet
Bridges/McBride/Shamet
Brunson/Schroeder/Kolek

I dont expect all of that to happen, and I expect at least one of Kolek/Huk/Dadiet to be ready for more consistent minutes next year, but we don't need another big roster shake up. We need continuity and slight bench upgrades. Upgrading Payne is really the big thing that needs to happen and having another forward that can get some minutes would be big too.

[Texas Chuck]

"Still leaving" implies he was leaving and decided to stay instead of morons simply believing what they wanted to believe based off people theory crafting

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So my two options are:

He's 100% staying
Or I'm a moron with a confirmation bias?

I want him to stay and I don't want to be a moron with confirmation bias so I guess I choose option A? Don't believe its really that simple, but life is easier if so, so thanks.

This is a straw man/projection. That was in response to someone definitively saying he was leaving, based on hope, or vague open-mindedness from a "league source" which has been wrong for 6 years. Conversely, another report from a Bucks' beat guy was concrete, that he made with the Bucks during the combine, and affirmed he was happy.

So there's no cause for "Sixers in 4" to have made such a strong presumption, yet you just took issue w/ the response, which was not near as definitive, & the default. It was a rebuke of such a strong belief based on no real evidence. That was just what he'd do/wants him to, or gullibility to fall for the same vague rumor-mongering ESPN & co have done for 6 yrs. And they were basically like "we were lying before, but this time it's real".

I thought it pretty clear my response was tongue in cheek. Strawman feels so harsh lol.

but I get it. If this was Dirk speculation I'd want to just deny any possibility too.

Carry on.

[Dan Z]

Exactly.

Upgrade their team how exactly? They have possibly the worst trade assets in the league.

By signing KpJ GTJ Sims Portis hit on pick 47 don’t start kuzma and Prince and play the young players to develop them. The bucks were way better when Giannis was out there with shooters and youth un lock Gianni’s at pg for the season. Let Dame heal up and see if he is ready for next yrs playoffs which the bucks will make and then get a good player with their 26 1st rd pick that’s how. This team is a lot better than out side people think

Fair enough.

Playing the young players usually means losing. I like the chances of a healthy MIL team featuring GA and Lillard, just don’t believe we will see that in the future, unfortunately.

Hitting on draft choices is crucial for a team in need of quality players on value contracts. Do you like the odds of MIL drafting well?

The Bucks have the #47 pick in the draft and there's a good chance that player won't even do anything in the NBA. Last year Memphis did well in the 2nd round with Wells, but that was at #39.

If Giannis stays the Bucks should offer Portis and Lopez contracts (maybe front loaded?) and look for a point guard (what about Tre Jones?). It's not ideal, but they don't have much to work with. They have a few young players who can hopefully improve: AJ Green, Andre Jackson Jr, and Tyler Smith.

[LarsV8]

If the Bucks trade Giannis they need 1 legit franchise potential piece coming back if the deal isn't also them regaining control of their own picks. Neither team can offer that.

That's the thing though, no team is trading a legit franchise potential piece.

That comes from the picks, which potentially could be multiple "legit franchise pieces" or it could be none.

[LUKE23]

Giannis was arguably the best overall player in the NBA last year. He has two full years remaining on his contract and both will be dominant years. There is absolutely zero chance he gets traded for anything other than a monster, monster package.

[RRyder823]

He is still leaving just a question of when.

"Still leaving" implies he was leaving and decided to stay instead of morons simply believing what they wanted to believe based off people theory crafting

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So my two options are:

He's 100% staying
Or I'm a moron with a confirmation bias?

I want him to stay and I don't want to be a moron with confirmation bias so I guess I choose option A? Don't believe its really that simple, but life is easier if so, so thanks.

Nope

"Thinking he'll leave" is a completely different statement the "He's still leaving"

If there's difficulty understanding the difference then yes please see my previous post

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[Texas Chuck]

You really think you said something profound here. Also learn to read

Okay I read it, so while your advice here at the end is great, I already had to know how to read to benefit from it.

Not sure how this helps with the only 2 options you made available to me. Which are agree with me or be a moron. IDK man....

[Texas Chuck]

He's saying no team has the package to make trading him worth while

If the Bucks make that trade they just might be able to be a play in team in 4-5 years

Without your own picks a there is no "jump start on a rebuild trade"

The trade IS the rebuild. And no there isnt a team that is gonna put together an offer that allows that

As for your last part if the Bucks manage to make just one good trade with a secondary piece within the next 2 years (much like MaJon for KPJ as an example) then yes I would say they'd be able to pretty easily have a better team in 2027 then that package provides

Okay was just messing with you a bit since you are so happy to insult other posters whose opinions you don't like. I know you mean this post.

So on one hand there is no fair value for an MVP, right? Unless SGA or Jokic is coming back you are downgrading. But that's not to say there aren't potential trades out there that might not set the Bucks on a better path moving forward. I won't offer any because you attitude makes it pretty clear it wouldn't matter how convincing I was, that you would poo poo it.

But worth noting I spend most of my time here on the trade board thinking about such matters and I recently made a Giannis trade than even jayMKE begrudgingly conceded was fair. And he's even harder to convince than you appear to be. So I believe it can be done, even if you don't.

And no you don't have to get your own picks back. Brooklyn rebuilt without theirs and made themselves so attractive KD and Kryie signed there and Harden forced his way there. Sure they have a market advantage, but there are ways to build without your own high lottery picks and in fact not having your own picks means you don't have to intentionally be bad for years to gain that value.


Now let me be clear with what I started with. I think the Bucks should keep him. I even think they will keep him, though I think its very much in a reasonable realm of possibility that he asks out. I think a path to relevance with him is really really hard with no assets, Dame getting hurt, and Kuzma being so awful.

Now 2 years from now they can have a bunch of cap space but to go that route means no depth and of course you've used up the best 2 years Giannis has left. I know my Mavs tried to keep winning around Dirk and couldn't and blew assets trying, and then when they got Luka they were always in an asset deficit instead of like most bad teams having extra assets to rebuild with.

[RRyder823]

You really think you said something profound here. Also learn to read

Okay I read it, so while your advice here at the end is great, I already had to know how to read to benefit from it.

Not sure how this helps with the only 2 options you made available to me. Which are agree with me or be a moron. IDK man....

Im not giving you only two options. Im simply taking away one option.

"He's still leaving"

Because it is in fact a dumb statement because it implies he was leaving but something stopped him when nothing of the sort has happened outside of people's imaginations

Litterally every other option is available. People can think he should leave. People can think the Bucks should trade him. People can think Giannis should stay. People can think the Bucks should keep him at all costs. None of those statements are what I was replying to with the post you commented on

So yes maybe work on the reading skills before you accuse me of saying something that I never said

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[jokeboy86]

Giannis is stringing this alone to put pressure on the Bucks front office. Giannis is staying in Milwaukee.

Put pressure on them to do what exactly?

Exactly.

Upgrade their team how exactly?

Resign Thanasis of course lol. No but seriously if we hear about Thanasis resigning with the Bucks I think that would be the surest sign that Giannis isnt going anywhere

[JonHeist]

Spoiler:

So my two options are:

He's 100% staying
Or I'm a moron with a confirmation bias?

I want him to stay and I don't want to be a moron with confirmation bias so I guess I choose option A? Don't believe its really that simple, but life is easier if so, so thanks.

This is a straw man/projection. That was in response to someone definitively saying he was leaving, based on hope, or vague open-mindedness from a "league source" which has been wrong for 6 years. Conversely, another report from a Bucks' beat guy was concrete, that he made with the Bucks during the combine, and affirmed he was happy.

So there's no cause for "Sixers in 4" to have made such a strong presumption, yet you just took issue w/ the response, which was not near as definitive, & the default. It was a rebuke of such a strong belief based on no real evidence. That was just what he'd do/wants him to, or gullibility to fall for the same vague rumor-mongering ESPN & co have done for 6 yrs. And they were basically like "we were lying before, but this time it's real".

I thought it pretty clear my response was tongue in cheek. Strawman feels so harsh lol.

but I get it.

If this was Dirk speculation I'd want to just deny any possibility too.

Carry on.

and you woulda been right

just like us bucks fans are now

[thamadkant]

Giannis to Knicks in the off season

[GiannisAnte34]

Giannis to Knicks in the off season

Bucks don’t want OG or Towns, those are their only trade-able assets