Thibs Thibs and More Thibs.

[MrDollarBills]

Have the Knicks ever had a deep bench under Thibs? I know people say he doesn't use them anyway, but I think one of the reasons is because they aren't that good. You can't develop players that aren't good, and he did actually try to play some of them in the Pacers series. Thibs isn't going anywhere as expected. Build on what you have.

The Knicks overachieved by beating Boston and without the luckiest shot in NBA history, the Pacers lose game 1 and who knows, maybe they are in the finals now.

There really isn't a good reason as to why Wright and Shamet weren't in the rotation well before the playoffs.

The rookies aside, those two guys and Precious should have been apart of the plan as we ramped up for the post season.

Shamet played 30 total minutes over the first 14 playoff games

The last 4, he played 52 and just shot 7/13 from 3, with a +/- of +21 (only had a negative in game 6, at -1)

So is he not good, or was Thibs just not playing him until he started floundering?

Like, you can't seriously tell me that our bench is that much worse than Indy's bench. It's not a good bench, but it's not as bereft of talent as people say.

There was a lot of gaslighting going on all season.

Wright showed that he could play when Brunson was out. Shamet should have been a rotation regular as he worked his way back from injury. Precious was a rotation player last year that averaged 7ppg 7rpg 1blk per. What happened???

That's three guys not including Mitch and Deuce, or the rookies. By the time we hit late March, April we should have had all these guys playing. There really isn't a good reason for the starters to be taxed like they were.

Is the bench great? No. You can say that for pretty much 90% of the league. You work with what you have.

[The KnicksFix]

There really isn't a good reason as to why Wright and Shamet weren't in the rotation well before the playoffs.

The rookies aside, those two guys and Precious should have been apart of the plan as we ramped up for the post season.

Shamet played 30 total minutes over the first 14 playoff games

The last 4, he played 52 and just shot 7/13 from 3, with a +/- of +21 (only had a negative in game 6, at -1)

So is he not good, or was Thibs just not playing him until he started floundering?

Like, you can't seriously tell me that our bench is that much worse than Indy's bench. It's not a good bench, but it's not as bereft of talent as people say.

There was a lot of gaslighting going on all season.

Wright showed that he could play when Brunson was out. Shamet should have been a rotation regular as he worked his way back from injury. Precious was a rotation player last year that averaged 7ppg 7rpg 1blk per. What happened???

That's three guys not including Mitch and Deuce, or the rookies. By the time we hit late March, April we should have had all these guys playing. There really isn't a good reason for the starters to be taxed like they were.

Is the bench great? No. You can say that for pretty much 90% of the league. You work with what you have.

Yep, just spell the minutes so come playoff time, starters can take it up another level, then another level after that once its gets deeper in a series to game 5 to game 7

[JXL]

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This video explains everything of why Karen Thibodeau is a floor raiser, but will never be a ceiling breaker.

you've been trying to pump this for a few days now.

what is it supposed to mean? we'll need to know that if we're to help it take hold.

If you ever encountered an entitled woman who screams to be right, that's a Karen.

And how I look at Thibs as a Karen is his rigidity and his system to prove he's right.

Thus, Karen Thibodeau.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I see lots of comments from casuals on YT etc, about Brunson now being mini Melo, pounds the ball, not creative enough.

Same things were said about Randle.

Wonder what the common denominator for both players is while they were Knicks.

partners with fashion businesses?

[Jeff Van Gully]

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This video explains everything of why Karen Thibodeau is a floor raiser, but will never be a ceiling breaker.

you've been trying to pump this for a few days now.

what is it supposed to mean? we'll need to know that if we're to help it take hold.

If you ever encountered an entitled woman who screams to be right, that's a Karen.

And how I look at Thibs as a Karen is his rigidity and his system to prove he's right.

Thus, Karen Thibodeau.

noted. thanks.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Shamet played 30 total minutes over the first 14 playoff games

The last 4, he played 52 and just shot 7/13 from 3, with a +/- of +21 (only had a negative in game 6, at -1)

So is he not good, or was Thibs just not playing him until he started floundering?

Like, you can't seriously tell me that our bench is that much worse than Indy's bench. It's not a good bench, but it's not as bereft of talent as people say.

There was a lot of gaslighting going on all season.

Wright showed that he could play when Brunson was out. Shamet should have been a rotation regular as he worked his way back from injury. Precious was a rotation player last year that averaged 7ppg 7rpg 1blk per. What happened???

That's three guys not including Mitch and Deuce, or the rookies. By the time we hit late March, April we should have had all these guys playing. There really isn't a good reason for the starters to be taxed like they were.

Is the bench great? No. You can say that for pretty much 90% of the league. You work with what you have.

Yep, just spell the minutes so come playoff time, starters can take it up another level, then another level after that once its gets deeper in a series to game 5 to game 7

i didn't see health and energy problems though. i saw execution problems.

[DOT]

i didn't see health and energy problems though. i saw execution problems.

Exhaustion leads to mental mistakes.

[Jeff Van Gully]

i didn't see health and energy problems though. i saw execution problems.

Exhaustion leads to mental mistakes.

sure. i get that.

but we also don't have a way to establish exhaustion as the cause of the mental mistakes in question. like, can't say for sure in either direction.

the team gave us plenty of reason to celebrate their conditioning and fortitude down the stretch when our opponents faltered under similar or "better" minutes conditions.

just, i get the point but i can't exactly call it evidence. just what we choose to believe in either (or neither) direction.

[MrDollarBills]

i didn't see health and energy problems though. i saw execution problems.

Exhaustion leads to mental mistakes.

It does.

I think to JVG's point, in terms of health and energy we were fine versus Detroit and Boston, but the Pacers' pace and rotations caught us lacking big time.

Which is why i wish we could have developed the bench when we had the opportunity once Shamet and Mitch were cleared.

We lacked a true wing off the bench, and that was a roster construction flaw, but Wright, Shamet, Precious, and Deuce needed to be in the mix well before we hit Round 1.

Poor Cam Payne. I totally forgot about him

[MrDollarBills]

I don't think we had a conditioning issue, quite the opposite, it's just really hard to keep up with a team that plays like Indiana without keeping the main guys fresh.

But here's the rub:

Why did we consistently collapse in 3rd quarters? Guys are rested at half time, but the execution was horrible.

The answer lies in the middle somewhere

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

During the game, I thought Thibs was worried he'd have a heart attack if the game were lost, so he was too anxious to send in the bench. Of course, you can't really tell by looking at him. But all the talk was he had to make the ECF to keep his job. Thibs has no other life besides basketball, so I'm sure keeping his job is incredibly important to him. That's why I think making him GM would be a win-win.

not sure how excited i'd be about GM thibs. maybe, executive director of toughness and togetherness?

Yeah I think Tom should remain with the organization regardless but if he does move on from coaching it should be in one of those roles where he picks up a check just for being around, offering feedback, etc. As critical as I am, the dude has forgotten more about hoops than I know.

We already got a GM.

I think thebuzzardman nailed it with scout-for-players-over-the-age-of-35-and-on-vet-min-contracts.

I'm pretty against the idea that Thibs should play a role in organizing recruitment etc. Look at how he uses the bench. How the hell would that translate to assistant GM-ing?

[MrDollarBills]

not sure how excited i'd be about GM thibs. maybe, executive director of toughness and togetherness?

Yeah I think Tom should remain with the organization regardless but if he does move on from coaching it should be in one of those roles where he picks up a check just for being around, offering feedback, etc. As critical as I am, the dude has forgotten more about hoops than I know.

We already got a GM.

I think thebuzzardman nailed it with scout-for-players-over-the-age-of-35-and-on-vet-min-contracts.

I'm pretty against the idea that Thibs should play a role in organizing recruitment etc. Look at how he uses the bench. How the hell would that translate to assistant GM-ing?

I know that this isn't a charity but I don't think it hurts to keep Tom around.

Just me personally but BKlutch made me really think about how this dude's life is literally this. I feel empathy for him because if this gets taken away, what next? Oof....

Plus, I think he helped build this thing. That means something.

[DOT]

i didn't see health and energy problems though. i saw execution problems.

Exhaustion leads to mental mistakes.

sure. i get that.

but we also don't have a way to establish exhaustion as the cause of the mental mistakes in question. like, can't say for sure in either direction.

the team gave us plenty of reason to celebrate their conditioning and fortitude down the stretch when our opponents faltered under similar or "better" minutes conditions.

just, i get the point but i can't exactly call it evidence. just what we choose to believe in either (or neither) direction.

Bad gameplanning also leads to mistakes.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Yeah I think Tom should remain with the organization regardless but if he does move on from coaching it should be in one of those roles where he picks up a check just for being around, offering feedback, etc. As critical as I am, the dude has forgotten more about hoops than I know.

We already got a GM.

I think thebuzzardman nailed it with scout-for-players-over-the-age-of-35-and-on-vet-min-contracts.

I'm pretty against the idea that Thibs should play a role in organizing recruitment etc. Look at how he uses the bench. How the hell would that translate to assistant GM-ing?

I know that this isn't a charity but I don't think it hurts to keep Tom around.

Just me personally but BKlutch made me really think about how this dude's life is literally this. I feel empathy for him because if this gets taken away, what next? Oof....

Plus, I think he helped build this thing. That means something.

empathy is cool, but we're here to get a job done. we need a championship. we have built toward contention.

i love thibs like family, but if he ain't the guy it's whatever. just make sure we get the right person for the job. his personal life is not anyone else's responsibility when it comes to the business.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Exhaustion leads to mental mistakes.

sure. i get that.

but we also don't have a way to establish exhaustion as the cause of the mental mistakes in question. like, can't say for sure in either direction.

the team gave us plenty of reason to celebrate their conditioning and fortitude down the stretch when our opponents faltered under similar or "better" minutes conditions.

just, i get the point but i can't exactly call it evidence. just what we choose to believe in either (or neither) direction.

Bad gameplanning also leads to mistakes.

of course it does. different conversation from the bench/minutes thing we were on though.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Yeah I think Tom should remain with the organization regardless but if he does move on from coaching it should be in one of those roles where he picks up a check just for being around, offering feedback, etc. As critical as I am, the dude has forgotten more about hoops than I know.

We already got a GM.

I think thebuzzardman nailed it with scout-for-players-over-the-age-of-35-and-on-vet-min-contracts.

I'm pretty against the idea that Thibs should play a role in organizing recruitment etc. Look at how he uses the bench. How the hell would that translate to assistant GM-ing?

I know that this isn't a charity but I don't think it hurts to keep Tom around.

Just me personally but BKlutch made me really think about how this dude's life is literally this. I feel empathy for him because if this gets taken away, what next? Oof....

Plus, I think he helped build this thing. That means something.

I get all of that. I just think he would likely be a negative impact basketball-wise. There's no great solution.

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[KnixinSix]

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This video explains everything of why Karen Thibodeau is a floor raiser, but will never be a ceiling breaker.

you've been trying to pump this for a few days now.

what is it supposed to mean? we'll need to know that if we're to help it take hold.

If you ever encountered an entitled woman who screams to be right, that's a Karen.

And how I look at Thibs as a Karen is his rigidity and his system to prove he's right.

Thus, Karen Thibodeau.

This is an EXCELLENT synopsis of why we need to move on from Thibs THIS YEAR.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I think thebuzzardman nailed it with scout-for-players-over-the-age-of-35-and-on-vet-min-contracts.

I'm pretty against the idea that Thibs should play a role in organizing recruitment etc. Look at how he uses the bench. How the hell would that translate to assistant GM-ing?

I know that this isn't a charity but I don't think it hurts to keep Tom around.

Just me personally but BKlutch made me really think about how this dude's life is literally this. I feel empathy for him because if this gets taken away, what next? Oof....

Plus, I think he helped build this thing. That means something.

empathy is cool, but we're here to get a job done. we need a championship. we have built toward contention.

i love thibs like family, but if he ain't the guy it's whatever. just make sure we get the right person for the job. his personal life is not anyone else's responsibility when it comes to the business.

This. Unfortunately it's not great. If he was good with the minutes, but bad with the Xs-and-Os, then sure make him something in the GM world. But he's not. He's good at getting committment on court from the guys he believes in, but bad at everything else ... it appears. How that translates into the FO/GM world I have no idea. If he really has ideas on how to respond to other teams, but just doesn't have the capacity to implement them in game. Then sure. But ... where is the evidence of that? I mean he had Delon Wright for months without using him. idk. just put him out on the iceburg imo.

[JXL]

BING BONG THE KAREN IS DEAD

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