2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

[Wiltside]

Honestly, the East is wide open. Cavs aren't proven in the playoffs. Yeah they just busted our ass, but if we can get healthy and add some more offense, shed the deadweight, we can be right back in the mix.

Celtics going to be missing Tatum all next season. Knicks just fired their HC. Pacers don't instill fear.

We can legit be right back in it if we make a few tweaks this offseason. We aren't as far off as I think this year showed - we had the Jimmy shadow and Spo had his worst year coaching. Hopefully we can make some moves and reset.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Honestly, the East is wide open. Cavs aren't proven in the playoffs. Yeah they just busted our ass, but if we can get healthy and add some more offense, shed the deadweight, we can be right back in the mix.

Celtics going to be missing Tatum all next season. Knicks just fired their HC. Pacers don't instill fear.

We can legit be right back in it if we make a few tweaks this offseason. We aren't as far off as I think this year showed - we had the Jimmy shadow and Spo had his worst year coaching. Hopefully we can make some moves and reset.

Even just some subtle moves can make a world of difference. Addition by subtraction with getting off Rozier, Duncan, and even Highsmith.

[Wiltside]

Honestly, the East is wide open. Cavs aren't proven in the playoffs. Yeah they just busted our ass, but if we can get healthy and add some more offense, shed the deadweight, we can be right back in the mix.

Celtics going to be missing Tatum all next season. Knicks just fired their HC. Pacers don't instill fear.

We can legit be right back in it if we make a few tweaks this offseason. We aren't as far off as I think this year showed - we had the Jimmy shadow and Spo had his worst year coaching. Hopefully we can make some moves and reset.

Even just some subtle moves can make a world of difference. Addition by subtraction with getting off Rozier, Duncan, and even Highsmith.

Forgot to mention Milwaukee too; looking like Giannis might go, and Lillard out for the year...

We had so many blown leads this year too, it was ridiculous. Get rid of Rozier and Duncan (and Jag), and replace them with actual decent NBA players, and we're cookin.

[marson]

Some of the rising teams are gonna take over spots from Boston and Milwaukee.

Detroit, Orlando, and the Bulls are definitely set to take a big step forward next season.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Did somebody leak to Bobby Marks about this extension or is this Herro’s agent getting the word out there? I still harken back to Herro’s press conference about getting it done now or it being more expensive next year. I don’t think Herro’s value is anywhere near worth the max extension. I’m not sold that the front office is in a hurry to give him this extension this year either. Why throw in the towel on next year’s cap space by adding another 20 mil to Herro’s current salary. Stop shooting yourself in the foot

[carnageta]

Did somebody leak to Bobby Marks about this extension or is this Herro’s agent getting the word out there? I still harken back to Herro’s press conference about getting it done now or it being more expensive next year. I don’t think Herro’s value is anywhere near worth the max extension. I’m not sold that the front office is in a hurry to give him this extension this year either. Why throw in the towel on next year’s cap space by adding another 20 mil to Herro’s current salary. Stop shooting yourself in the foot

We won't hinder next year's cap space by extending Herro lol. Whatever extension we give him won't kick in until 2028-2029.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Did somebody leak to Bobby Marks about this extension or is this Herro’s agent getting the word out there? I still harken back to Herro’s press conference about getting it done now or it being more expensive next year. I don’t think Herro’s value is anywhere near worth the max extension. I’m not sold that the front office is in a hurry to give him this extension this year either. Why throw in the towel on next year’s cap space by adding another 20 mil to Herro’s current salary. Stop shooting yourself in the foot

We won't hinder next year's cap space by extending Herro lol. Whatever extension we give him won't kick in until 2028-2029.

Ahhhhh ok so the two years left on his deal stay and the new figure doesn’t hit till 2027-28 season. I guess it ain’t terrible accounting for NBA inflation. Bam and Herro are trending towards Heat lifers

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Did somebody leak to Bobby Marks about this extension or is this Herro’s agent getting the word out there? I still harken back to Herro’s press conference about getting it done now or it being more expensive next year. I don’t think Herro’s value is anywhere near worth the max extension. I’m not sold that the front office is in a hurry to give him this extension this year either. Why throw in the towel on next year’s cap space by adding another 20 mil to Herro’s current salary. Stop shooting yourself in the foot

It’s actually not even a report, just Bobby’s opinion on what we do.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Trae Young’s extension is also coming up. 4 years 229 mil. Average of 57.25 yearly. His extension takes over his player option starting next year.

[He2Fast]

Tyler is a basketball dichotomy for me.

On one hand, his play style is the one I dislike most: the offense only archetype.

On the other hand, I have tremendous respect for his willingness to work and belief in himself.

My individual preference would be to fill the playable rotation with two way players. If Tyler gets the extension he’s eligible for, I’ll celebrate that someone that put the work in got rewarded.

[Heat3]

Need to hire Thibs as an assistant to counter act Spo's tendency to sit Ware for extended minutes.

[MettaWorldPanda]

27-'28 projected numbers:

Salary Cap- $187M
1st Apron- $237M

Herro's $29M this season is about 16% of the 1st Apron cap that the Heat are in, or 20% of the regular salary cap.

In '27-'28 his 50M will be 21% of the 1st Apron cap, and 26% of the regular salary cap.

He'll basically be eating up 5% more of the cap than he currently is.

[batterybro42]

Why would we extend Herro now? Who are we bidding with exactly? Let the market determine his value when the time arrives. I like Herro I want him resigned but I don’t think Miami needs to make a deal like this, this far out. Let him prove it this year.

[marson]

Why would we extend Herro now? Who are we bidding with exactly? Let the market determine his value when the time arrives. I like Herro I want him resigned but I don’t think Miami needs to make a deal like this, this far out. Let him prove it this year.

Riles loves dem Kentucky boys.

[insfo]

Last team to win a championship that had a player in the top 3 that was such a defensive liability that opposing teams would consistently attack him:

- 2023 Denver Nuggets (Jamal Murray)
- 2022 Golden State Warriors (Stephen Curry)

Ignore the 'finals' - the Knicks made it the ECF this year with Jalen Brunson as their leading guy - who is worse defender than Herro. In 2021 the Atlanta Hawks made it to the ECF with Trae Young as their main piece.


Let's stop pretending like it has never been done before lol.

Look at the pattern…It’s the same poster spewing the same bs to prove another player is more superior. Why does this board tolerate incessant, tiring bullsh*t daily. I mean seriously WTF! It’s no diff to the stench Beasley tards & Lebron fake fans that made the board intolerable.

And oh yeah….watch Herro take another leap nxt season. The guy is a worker & proves it every season. This PO narrative everybody jumping on will be squashed once we acquire another capable scorer & round out this team that will help open up players like Herro & preserve more energy on the defensive end. We’re going to pay Herro because he deserves it. He’s stayed loyal throughout the trade rumours, put his head down continued to work. Made himself available to suit up most of last season & worked to be an all-star & 3pt champ.

This PO narrative is why you saw Bam fight to stay in the game and got all aggressive once the games were out of hand, putting up empty offensive numbers. That's why he fights his own teammates for rebounds, since fans always use stats to justify narratives.

[RexBoyWonder]

Keep calm and don't panic :


1) no need to extend Herro or anyone right now, we have nothing to gain from acting early. Let him play out the year, see what the market deems his value to be after the season. It won't be a full max.

2) no need to trade Bam or Herro right now, both are young enough to wait out the unavoidable rebuild/reset. Sadly, keeping them won't totally prevent us from picking in the lottery (they're not that great by themselves).

3) This year is crucial for us to execute a quick reset. We have to go full develpoment mode with Ware/Jovic/pick 20/Jamie/Keshad/Larsson. Big minutes, on ball reps, consistent roles. And take the loses that come with any youth movement.

4) Try to add more asset by trading out bad contracts for even worst contracts (Wiggins/Rozier/Duncan/Anderson). they have no future or current purpose here.

5) Maximize the next draft - if we need to seat Bam some games - do it. Same with Herro. It won't take a huge effort to make sure this talentless roster misses the playoff.


If we execute these steps correctly and fully - this team can bounce back in a huge way in a year or 2 tops.

If we don't, we can have a repeat of this last year for the next half decade at least.

DON'T try to patch this chit situation with any trades for 37YO. DON'T give up future assets for anyone. Don't waste more time on past mistakes. Don't get rushed to make long term decisions when everything is in flux.


Stick to the plan, be patience, be rational - pull the band aid off now before we lose the entire arm (or waste 5 years).

[VaDe255]

Did somebody leak to Bobby Marks about this extension or is this Herro’s agent getting the word out there? I still harken back to Herro’s press conference about getting it done now or it being more expensive next year. I don’t think Herro’s value is anywhere near worth the max extension. I’m not sold that the front office is in a hurry to give him this extension this year either. Why throw in the towel on next year’s cap space by adding another 20 mil to Herro’s current salary. Stop shooting yourself in the foot

It all depends on how the Heat value and project Herro.
There are some reasons to give him the max, especially if you project team success and Herro to have a season like last year.

The team underperformed, their net rating was +0.6 and they were expected to go 42-40, there is a lot of variance and a lot of losses they had could have just been wins (including those against the Pistons).
Could have ended above the Pistons and Herro might have been All NBA 3rd team instead of Cade, I wouldn't want to pay the supermax to either, but these things can happen with injuries and team success.

Herro's max when it kicks in is 26%, I don't think this will stop the Heat when they were paying Lowry 24% of the cap when they got him, I hope they get him cheaper but would not be surprised to see the max extension.

[Wiltside]

Would something like this work?

Heat use the ETO on Duncan Robinson; takes the $9.8m cap hit
Suns waive Cody Martin ($8.5m non-guaranteed) and Vasilije Micic to get out of the 2nd apron to be able to aggregate.

Heat trade:
Andrew Wiggins (2yrs / $28.2 per)
Jaime Jaquez Jr (2yr / $3.8 per)
Terry Rozier (1yr / $26.6 per)
Haywood Highsmith (1yr / $5.6 per)
Kevin Love (1yr / $4.1 per)
2025 #20 FRP
2030 FRP

Heat receive:
Kevin Durant (1yr / $54.7m per)
Grayson Allen (3yr / $16.8 per)
Royce O'Neale (3yr / 10.1m per)
Oso Ighodaro (3yr / 1.9 per)

HEAT:

PG - Davion Mitchell / Pelle Larsson / Dru Smith
SG - Tyler Herro / Grayson Allen / Alec Burks
SF - Kevin Durant / Royce O'Neale / Keshad Johnson
PF - Bam Adebayo / Nikola Jovic / Kyle Anderson
C - Kel'el Ware / Oso Ighodaro

SUNS:

PG - Bradley Beal / Terry Rozier
SG - Devin Booker / Pick #20
SF - Andrew Wiggins / Jaime Jaquez Jr
PF - Ryan Dunn / Haywood Highsmith
C - Nick Richards / Kevin Love

Why they do it:

Suns get out of their cap squeeze and get better complementary pieces and depth around Booker. Rozier can either rehab his value in a faster paced offense, or be cap fodder that clears the books given he's expiring. Wiggins is a capable starting SF, but not on a long term deal. Highsmith and Love are also cheap labour on expiring contracts. They get a pick back in the first round this year, and a future first. Jaquez could also be a solid piece for them longer term, if he can rediscover his rookie season mojo. They also end up in the first apron, so have access to some exceptions to try and chase another guard to shore up the depth chart.

Heat get Durant and push harder for the postseason in an open Eastern Conference. Likely we end up extending Herro and KD as part of this scenario. Grayson Allen and Royce O'Neale are on longer contracts at 3yrs a pop, but would be good depth options at both the guard and forward positions. Heat also retain most of their better younger prospects like Jovic and Ware in this scenario, but give up Jaquez. Allen essentially replaces Duncan Robinson, and either Allen or Larsson can play defacto PG while Dru Smith gets healthy. Heat could also choose to start Allen alongside Herro for additional floor spacing, and then bring Mitchell off the bench where he's had good success as a 6th Man.

[KingDavid]

Last champion who had a player in their top 3 that was such a defensive liability that opposing teams would just spam actions to continuously get them on an island?

It's never happened. Herro would be the first.

Herro can absolutely help a team win the chip, he just can't do it as a 35min starter and a max contract player. He's a 6th man on a winner and a starter on a treadmill team.

His other path is to become more than just a scorer. That's his evolution. He needs to be the offensive engine and run the offense. 1 way scorers get paid, but always flounder in the playoffs. Always.

That said, Id still pay him. But pay him to flip him. You need that max contract slot to go big game hunting. And I'm absolutely not trading bam.

I believe we were at our best when he was coming off the bench; 93-49, & he's won 6moty too. As a starter we're 110-107.

[Kobewade11]

I believe we were at our best when he was coming off the bench; 93-49, & he's won 6moty too. As a starter we're 110-107.

The sum of the parts on the team were better in the years that Herro was coming off the bench, thats no longer the case. Just an example to illustrate the point, how many more net wins do we get last season with him in a 6th man role?