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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#881 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Jun 4, 2025 11:07 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:The more I think about the Huff trade, the more I like it. Sure, there's always the chance that he struggles, but if so, the price won't be particularly high in terms of draft capital (5th rounder) or salary cap. And I think there are a lot of reasons to think that he could be very close to his 2023 self.

Huff only has the one year of sack productivity, but his pass-rush win rate has been really good for three years, including last year. That is particularly true out of the wide-nine. As I posted previously, given his limited size, I think there's a strong argument that he needs the additional runway to be at his most effective as a rusher. He'll get that with the Niners. We also won't have to play him as a starter because his contract is just fine for that of a one-dimensional rusher. And his upside is markedly higher than anyone else who was available at this point.

Additionally, I really think we're strengthening two positions here, in a way. The lack of a second perimeter pass rusher - or even a second pass rusher anywhere on the DL - was a huge concern prior to this move. It wasn't at all clear who would be the second DE in our NASCAR package, but presumably it would have been one of Williams, Gross-Matos, Beal, or Sam O., none of whom have demonstrated success in that area to date. Additionally, we didn't really have obvious pass rush from the interior, where none of our DTs have ever had even four sacks in a season (Kevin Givens is the high man with 3.5 last year, unless we count CJ West getting 5 while playing for Kent State). Now, we can line up three or even four of our DEs in the NASCAR package. Bosa and Huff can both bring it from the outside, and Williams and Gross-Matos may both be better - at least for now in Williams' case - rushing from the inside.

This reminds me a bit of all the times Bill Belichick let a well-regarded player who he put in a good situation walk, the player would bust on another team, the Pats would re-sign the player at a discount, and they would return to the role where they played well and continue to play well.


That is why I liked the trade. Not much of a risk if he fails compared to the potential upside. Interesting comment from Kocurek regarding Huff who believes a wrist injury Huff received last season messed up his play.


The wrist injury is definitely part of it. He got hurt, missed a few games, and struggled to regain his role after that. Josh Sweat had one spot locked up, and Nolan Smith and Jalyx Hunt started coming on by the end of the year. Huff can't really play the run at all, and they could only have so many undersized edge rushers active.
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#882 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Jun 4, 2025 11:26 pm

Having just said that about Huff, we also have to note that the Eagles watched Josh Sweat leave and went out and got Azeez Ojulari in FA and Antwaun Powell-Ryland in the draft, who are also undersized edge rushers.

Though I have heard that Howie Roseman wanted to keep Huff, and it was basically a Fangio flex that they moved on from him. Again, I think that's largely a scheme and fit sort of thing. You have to know what you're getting with Huff. If we're putting him out there in run situations, we're dumb. If we're running him out there on 3rd and long, I think he will be a significant addition.

Man, looking at the Eagles' roster, some of their positions are absurdly deep. Obviously their OL is among the deepest in the league, and they drafted three more and added one of the top UDFA OTs. At off-ball LB, they have Zack Baun, Nakobe Dean, Jeremiah Trotter, Joshua Uche, and then drafted Jihaad Campbell and Smael Mondon. And they really only start two players at that position (Campbell could play on- or off-ball). How can they even keep all those guys on the roster?
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#883 » by arich35 » Thu Jun 5, 2025 2:04 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:Having just said that about Huff, we also have to note that the Eagles watched Josh Sweat leave and went out and got Azeez Ojulari in FA and Antwaun Powell-Ryland in the draft, who are also undersized edge rushers.

Though I have heard that Howie Roseman wanted to keep Huff, and it was basically a Fangio flex that they moved on from him. Again, I think that's largely a scheme and fit sort of thing. You have to know what you're getting with Huff. If we're putting him out there in run situations, we're dumb. If we're running him out there on 3rd and long, I think he will be a significant addition.

Man, looking at the Eagles' roster, some of their positions are absurdly deep. Obviously their OL is among the deepest in the league, and they drafted three more and added one of the top UDFA OTs. At off-ball LB, they have Zack Baun, Nakobe Dean, Jeremiah Trotter, Joshua Uche, and then drafted Jihaad Campbell and Smael Mondon. And they really only start two players at that position (Campbell could play on- or off-ball). How can they even keep all those guys on the roster?


Hopefully we can pick one up
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#884 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Jun 5, 2025 3:28 pm

Listened to a detailed breakdown on Huff, and another aspect is that he's apparently just awful in coverage. The Eagles' OLBs need to drop with some regularity, while our DEs may only drop a handful of times in a season. Just another reason why he's a much better fit for us, and why we can be optimistic that last season wasn't an indication that he's washed or wasn't putting in the effort, rather that he just didn't work in that defense.
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#885 » by Pattersonca65 » Thu Jun 5, 2025 3:37 pm

Even Brandon Graham basically said Huff was not a good fit for the Eagles defense
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#886 » by clyde21 » Thu Jun 5, 2025 5:00 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Listened to a detailed breakdown on Huff, and another aspect is that he's apparently just awful in coverage. The Eagles' OLBs need to drop with some regularity, while our DEs may only drop a handful of times in a season. Just another reason why he's a much better fit for us, and why we can be optimistic that last season wasn't an indication that he's washed or wasn't putting in the effort, rather that he just didn't work in that defense.


51.8 coverage grade last year

he's strictly a specialist at this point
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#887 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Jun 5, 2025 5:04 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:Listened to a detailed breakdown on Huff, and another aspect is that he's apparently just awful in coverage. The Eagles' OLBs need to drop with some regularity, while our DEs may only drop a handful of times in a season. Just another reason why he's a much better fit for us, and why we can be optimistic that last season wasn't an indication that he's washed or wasn't putting in the effort, rather that he just didn't work in that defense.


51.8 coverage grade last year

he's strictly a specialist at this point


I think he's always been a specialist. Even in his breakout season with the Jets, he only played 42% of snaps despite playing in all 17 games. The issue last year is that the Eagles paid him like he was more, so they needed him to be more. And he isn't. I'm assuming Saleh knows this and will use him accordingly. Put him in the Dee Ford role and let him play on third downs and help us hold onto leads in the 4th quarter. If we try to make him more than that, we'll likely have problems too.
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Post#888 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Jun 5, 2025 5:06 pm

Watkins continues to get strong reviews, from the media, Purdy, and his coaches. We'll see when the pads come on, but it would be awesome if he can put it together and contribute to this team, especially early when we'll likely be down two receivers.
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#889 » by clyde21 » Thu Jun 5, 2025 5:53 pm

i like both of Tariq Ahmad and RJ Gillen hearing them this off-season

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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#890 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Jun 5, 2025 6:55 pm

PFF ranked Brendel 24th among centers. Most of those behind him are young guys with at least upside. For instance, Tanor Bortolini comes in at 30th despite going into his second year and a higher PFF score than Brendel (balanced performance with run and pass blocking around 65 vs. Brendel with good run blocking and bad pass blocking). I think it's tough to justify that ranking as we can assume Bortolini will improve, while the expectation should be that Brendel is stable or worse this year (though better play at LG could help him). Lions' rookie Tate Ratledge comes in at 32nd, but if he sticks at center, I'd bet heavily on him being better than Brendel by the end of the year.

We had a lot of holes on this roster entering the offseason - and more after the cuts an trades - but perhaps the most inexplicable thing the FO did was fail to bring in any legitimate competition for Brendel. If he's just handed the starting spot again, I'm going to lose my mind. He's a liability that held our entire offense back last year. He needs to at least earn his spot this year.
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#891 » by Pattersonca65 » Thu Jun 5, 2025 8:03 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:PFF ranked Brendel 24th among centers. Most of those behind him are young guys with at least upside. For instance, Tanor Bortolini comes in at 30th despite going into his second year and a higher PFF score than Brendel (balanced performance with run and pass blocking around 65 vs. Brendel with good run blocking and bad pass blocking). I think it's tough to justify that ranking as we can assume Bortolini will improve, while the expectation should be that Brendel is stable or worse this year (though better play at LG could help him). Lions' rookie Tate Ratledge comes in at 32nd, but if he sticks at center, I'd bet heavily on him being better than Brendel by the end of the year.

We had a lot of holes on this roster entering the offseason - and more after the cuts an trades - but perhaps the most inexplicable thing the FO did was fail to bring in any legitimate competition for Brendel. If he's just handed the starting spot again, I'm going to lose my mind. He's a liability that held our entire offense back last year. He needs to at least earn his spot this year.


do you still have the video you posted here of Brendel missing a block on pass protection?
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#892 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Jun 5, 2025 8:51 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:PFF ranked Brendel 24th among centers. Most of those behind him are young guys with at least upside. For instance, Tanor Bortolini comes in at 30th despite going into his second year and a higher PFF score than Brendel (balanced performance with run and pass blocking around 65 vs. Brendel with good run blocking and bad pass blocking). I think it's tough to justify that ranking as we can assume Bortolini will improve, while the expectation should be that Brendel is stable or worse this year (though better play at LG could help him). Lions' rookie Tate Ratledge comes in at 32nd, but if he sticks at center, I'd bet heavily on him being better than Brendel by the end of the year.

We had a lot of holes on this roster entering the offseason - and more after the cuts an trades - but perhaps the most inexplicable thing the FO did was fail to bring in any legitimate competition for Brendel. If he's just handed the starting spot again, I'm going to lose my mind. He's a liability that held our entire offense back last year. He needs to at least earn his spot this year.


do you still have the video you posted here of Brendel missing a block on pass protection?


Not sure if this is the one, but this is some film from the Vikings game:

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Post#893 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Jun 5, 2025 8:54 pm

Brendel just doesn't have the play strength. DTs - and even LBs - just put him on his back way too often. It's like he's a HS kid playing in the NFL. How is the plan just to trot him out there again???
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Post#894 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Jun 5, 2025 10:30 pm

Just had a thought here: the Niners actually have big, strong DTs this year. Maybe Brendel gets dominated in practice a bit by the rookies and they decide to give someone else a shot. I realize it's probably a pipe dream. Just hoping....
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#895 » by Jikkle » Fri Jun 6, 2025 9:24 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:Brendel just doesn't have the play strength. DTs - and even LBs - just put him on his back way too often. It's like he's a HS kid playing in the NFL. How is the plan just to trot him out there again???


I think the C position bares watching in the offseason.

We did sign Matt Hennessy late in the season and Nugent will be entering his 2nd season so we have guys that can feasibly compete for the job unlike last season where maybe Felciano was maybe the only realistic option.

I just think what they say in the media is more media speak than anything because these guys watch the same film everyone else and that can't possibly watch it and be like "Yeah that's good enough".

I think it's a combination of Kyle being very particular about the C position and not wanting to invest much into the offensive line. So I'm guessing Brendel has a handle on the mental side of things that Kyle is willing to put up with crap because he's not comfortable with other guys in there.
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#896 » by Jikkle » Fri Jun 6, 2025 9:31 am

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Pattersonca65 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:PFF ranked Brendel 24th among centers. Most of those behind him are young guys with at least upside. For instance, Tanor Bortolini comes in at 30th despite going into his second year and a higher PFF score than Brendel (balanced performance with run and pass blocking around 65 vs. Brendel with good run blocking and bad pass blocking). I think it's tough to justify that ranking as we can assume Bortolini will improve, while the expectation should be that Brendel is stable or worse this year (though better play at LG could help him). Lions' rookie Tate Ratledge comes in at 32nd, but if he sticks at center, I'd bet heavily on him being better than Brendel by the end of the year.

We had a lot of holes on this roster entering the offseason - and more after the cuts an trades - but perhaps the most inexplicable thing the FO did was fail to bring in any legitimate competition for Brendel. If he's just handed the starting spot again, I'm going to lose my mind. He's a liability that held our entire offense back last year. He needs to at least earn his spot this year.


do you still have the video you posted here of Brendel missing a block on pass protection?


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Yeah this is the problem with the offensive line outside of Puni and Trent.

They are completely dependent on Shanahan and the scheme putting them into favorable situations and the smoke and mirrors giving them great blocking angles.

It's why this offense is almost nonfunctional anytime it plays a defense that has a physical defensive line combined with a physical secondary that can press at the LOS. The defensive line just completely ignores any of the eye candy that Shanahan throws at them because they just kick the crap out of whoever is in front of them and because almost nobody can beat press man coverage the QB doesn't have anyone to throw the ball to or have time to wait till someone pops open.

It's really the fatal flaw of this team not having the ability to lineup, put a hat on a hat, and just run it down their throats and dare them to stop you.
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#897 » by Harry Palmer » Fri Jun 6, 2025 5:12 pm

I think the OL has loads of issues. Yeah, Brendel is awful, McKivitz is about the same, but we also lack like any depth unless any of these minicamp wonders actually live up to the traditional buzz. If Trent or Puni miss significant time, we’re cooked, but as bad as they are that also applies to the sorrier members of the cast. The drop-off is very real. And OL injuries are about as predictable as death and taxes.

Again, the schedule is our saving grace…well that and the D should be much better and not piss away so many leads…but unless someone really emerges up front this feels like, at best, a typical Cowboys season. We’ll ease into the WC but fold under the pressure of the first real pass rush we face.
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Post#898 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Jun 6, 2025 5:59 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:I think the OL has loads of issues. Yeah, Brendel is awful, McKivitz is about the same, but we also lack like any depth unless any of these minicamp wonders actually live up to the traditional buzz. If Trent or Puni miss significant time, we’re cooked, but as bad as they are that also applies to the sorrier members of the cast. The drop-off is very real. And OL injuries are about as predictable as death and taxes.

Again, the schedule is our saving grace…well that and the D should be much better and not piss away so many leads…but unless someone really emerges up front this feels like, at best, a typical Cowboys season. We’ll ease into the WC but fold under the pressure of the first real pass rush we face.


I actually think the depth on the interior OL is okay, and I think the RG position may be upgraded by default. Bartch, Zakelj, and Burford all played better than Banks last year - though they also dealt with injuries. Burford has had stints of good play at guard, his problems to date have been mostly mental. Hennessy should get a shot to compete at LG and C, and he's a former high (for an IOL) draft pick with some NFL experience. I'd love to see Nugent get a legit shot to beat out Brendel, but not holding my breath there. And Colby has some potential given his athleticism, though another guy who gets pushed around. All told, though, I think we could withstand an injury at LG or C without much downgrade. Losing Puni would hurt.

OT is the real issue. I think McKivitz is fine. He's not great, and he will have some ugly losses, but that's the nature of the position outside the top players. He's good enough not to be a detriment. The depth is scary, though. Maybe Burford puts it together as an OT when he couldn't as an OG (possibly the responsibilities are less complicated for an OT than an OG?). Maybe Dillard plays well, but this is a guy who was cut by the Titans last offseason, and they had one of the worst OLs in the league. And he was unsigned and cost us just over $1M with minimal guarantees. Austen Pleasants certainly doesn't generate much optimism.
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#899 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Jun 6, 2025 6:01 pm

Jikkle wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:Brendel just doesn't have the play strength. DTs - and even LBs - just put him on his back way too often. It's like he's a HS kid playing in the NFL. How is the plan just to trot him out there again???


I think the C position bares watching in the offseason.

We did sign Matt Hennessy late in the season and Nugent will be entering his 2nd season so we have guys that can feasibly compete for the job unlike last season where maybe Felciano was maybe the only realistic option.

I just think what they say in the media is more media speak than anything because these guys watch the same film everyone else and that can't possibly watch it and be like "Yeah that's good enough".

I think it's a combination of Kyle being very particular about the C position and not wanting to invest much into the offensive line. So I'm guessing Brendel has a handle on the mental side of things that Kyle is willing to put up with crap because he's not comfortable with other guys in there.


I don't know. They kept running Banks back out there when literally every guy who replaced him when he was hurt outplayed him.
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Re: 2025 OFFSEASON 

Post#900 » by Samurai » Sat Jun 7, 2025 12:08 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:PFF ranked Brendel 24th among centers. Most of those behind him are young guys with at least upside. For instance, Tanor Bortolini comes in at 30th despite going into his second year and a higher PFF score than Brendel (balanced performance with run and pass blocking around 65 vs. Brendel with good run blocking and bad pass blocking). I think it's tough to justify that ranking as we can assume Bortolini will improve, while the expectation should be that Brendel is stable or worse this year (though better play at LG could help him). Lions' rookie Tate Ratledge comes in at 32nd, but if he sticks at center, I'd bet heavily on him being better than Brendel by the end of the year.

We had a lot of holes on this roster entering the offseason - and more after the cuts an trades - but perhaps the most inexplicable thing the FO did was fail to bring in any legitimate competition for Brendel. If he's just handed the starting spot again, I'm going to lose my mind. He's a liability that held our entire offense back last year. He needs to at least earn his spot this year.

24th out of 32 teams isn't very good (and kind of an odd ranking given that he was 15th in pass protection and 22nd in run blocking; seems like his overall should have been a tad higher but whatever). But if he's already in the bottom quarter of starting centers, at 32 years old is it even realistic to think he'll get better? My understanding of how Father Time typically works is that we must expect Brendel to regress this year; the question is whether it will be a gradual decline or a fall-off-the cliff decline. I was disappointed that we didn't draft an OT this year given that Trent is 36 and pretty much a shoo-in to miss some games; I am even more bewildered that we didn't draft (or make a FA pickup since it wasn't a great draft for centers) a C since we know that Brendel will definitely NOT be getting any younger. Obviously Kyle must feel that Brendel was adequate last season, but as he continues to regress we can't even expect him to play at last year's 25th percentile level again.

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