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2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1281 » by Beenie » Sat Jun 7, 2025 1:21 am

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Sacrificing roster flexibility for 3 seasons in exchange for 2 FRPs isn’t a good move.

Rozier and Duncan are expiring with Duncan non guaranteed, there is no real reason to unload them unless we are using them as filler in a big deal.

People may not like it but Miami enters into a really good spot here in a year with cap and contracts, basically all the filth and waste fall of the books and we are left with the meat and potatoes that make up the current team still locked in with space to add a max player.

Patience

The only move I’d really explore right now is KD


Point is to gain the draft ammo to go after Giannis now.

Or to at least have a subsequent plan to use those pick.


It's an interesting trade idea. But I don't think Giannis will want to go from a team with no depth and 50 mil in dead money to another team with no depth and 50 mil in dead money.
He will have other options, where he'll be able to compete.
This trades guts, his depth and assets. They will have now way to add players except via draft with limited 1st round picks and no 2nd picks or g league. And once Bam extenstion kicks, they will be over 2nd apron.


Whoever trades for Giannis will be sacrificing a massive amount of depth and assets in all likelihood

Realistically, if either OKC, SA, or HOU decide to strongly bid, Mia’s got a 0.00% shot at getting him

If however OKC wins the chip and SA and Hou get preoccupied with guys like KD and Brown who won’t be as expensive to attain, then that opens the door for Mia to sneakily steal Giannis if they come out and make a nuclear level offer like Herro, Ware, and 5 FRPs or Bam n Herro and 1-2 picks
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1282 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat Jun 7, 2025 1:22 am

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1283 » by Vertical Limit » Sat Jun 7, 2025 1:58 am

Who is eddie, is he another ernie.. what credibility do those guys have
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1284 » by KingDavid » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:23 am

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KingDavid wrote:I believe we were at our best when he was coming off the bench; 93-49, & he's won 6moty too. As a starter we're 110-107.

The sum of the parts on the team were better in the years that Herro was coming off the bench, thats no longer the case. Just an example to illustrate the point, how many more net wins do we get last season with him in a 6th man role?

Not many more or less. The problem wasn't Herro. It was Rozier & Duncan.
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It's never happened. Herro would be the first.

Herro can absolutely help a team win the chip, he just can't do it as a 35min starter and a max contract player. He's a 6th man on a winner and a starter on a treadmill team.

His other path is to become more than just a scorer. That's his evolution. He needs to be the offensive engine and run the offense. 1 way scorers get paid, but always flounder in the playoffs. Always.

That said, Id still pay him. But pay him to flip him. You need that max contract slot to go big game hunting. And I'm absolutely not trading bam.

I believe we were at our best when he was coming off the bench; 93-49, & he's won 6moty too. As a starter we're 110-107.


I see no difference between this and Wade couldn't get out the first round without Lebron or Shaq narrative. A little context of the teammates matter. And no I'm not comparing them as players.

I see a huge difference between he and Wade overall, 1st round not. We wouldn't be a play in team with Wade last season in place of Herro. As I've said above, the problem wasn't Herro, but he isn't the 1st option we tried to make him out to be.

Omg I just got both of your points, smh. I understand what you guys are saying now :banghead:
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1285 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:40 am

Vertical Limit wrote:Who is eddie, is he another ernie.. what credibility do those guys have


Well Erny is Jimmy’s bestie so I’d say he has a decent amount. Eddie is a lesser Erny to KD, they used to do a podcast together so they’re boys
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Post#1286 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:45 am

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Post#1287 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:46 am

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Interesting. Shocked to see him punt a season or 2 if so but maybe he’s content.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1288 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat Jun 7, 2025 4:54 am

Should look into a Rozier and 2031 2nd for Marcus Smart swap. Smart and Mitchell could form a very formidable defensive PG rotation. Smart still only 31 on expiring contract. Could be a good spot for him in Miami to revive his career playing for a new contract. Deal would save 5 mil off the cap.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1289 » by RexBoyWonder » Sat Jun 7, 2025 7:37 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Should look into a Rozier and 2031 2nd for Marcus Smart swap. Smart and Mitchell could form a very formidable defensive PG rotation. Smart still only 31 on expiring contract. Could be a good spot for him in Miami to revive his career playing for a new contract. Deal would save 5 mil off the cap.

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1290 » by RexBoyWonder » Sat Jun 7, 2025 8:21 am

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This Miami doomer stuff is so overblown and spoiled behavior. We are not that far away


1) Not that far away from what, exactly?
Did you see the Cavs series?
Are the Cavs historically great?
Was it a competitive series?

2) I don't think our LONG TERM future is that bad, IF we make the right moves now.

Our next or 2 next seasons - yea we're **** either way, we're not contending for chit no matter what we do.
So we better think about how are making sure we bounce back by 2027, and not dig the hole even deeper by making desperate moves that will not help the immediate future but will put us in a worse position in the longer term.



How do you suggest we tank? We better fire Spo, trade away Bam and Herro for future picks to make it possible. Cuz Spo will take a mediocre team to the play-in torny. Besides Dallas won the first pick. Tanking doesn't guarantee anything.


Sadly I think you're overvaluing the talent level on the roster (and Spo's effectiveness with a middling roster).

We were a 10 seed after a healthy season, Herro and Bam missed very few games all season. Hell, without the miracle against the Hawks we would've gotten the #1 pick this year.

We were a 8 seed with Jimmy which was our best player by a mile the year before that. There's no logical reason to think we're magically going to be anything more then a play-in team AT BEST if we stay healthy.

Now, if you makes sure Bam and Herro miss some with some "maintenance" and you put the ball in the younglings hands, The expected outcome is a top 8 r so pick.

Sure, nothing is guaranteed with the lottery. You just need to maximize your odds and hope to catch a break.

What is guaranteed is that being a play-in team year after year is the most miserable, hopeless position to be in, and that's where we're heading (again) if we don't change course.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1291 » by RexBoyWonder » Sat Jun 7, 2025 8:26 am

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1) Not that far away from what, exactly?
Did you see the Cavs series?
Are the Cavs historically great?
Was it a competitive series?

2) I don't think our LONG TERM future is that bad, IF we make the right moves now.

Our next or 2 next seasons - yea we're **** either way, we're not contending for chit no matter what we do.
So we better think about how are making sure we bounce back by 2027, and not dig the hole even deeper by making desperate moves that will not help the immediate future but will put us in a worse position in the longer term.



How do you suggest we tank? We better fire Spo, trade away Bam and Herro for future picks to make it possible. Cuz Spo will take a mediocre team to the play-in torny. Besides Dallas won the first pick. Tanking doesn't guarantee anything.


Sadly I think you're overvaluing the talent level on the roster (and Spo's effectiveness with a middling roster).

We were a 10 seed after a healthy season, Herro and Bam missed very few games all season. Hell, without the miracle against the Hawks we would've gotten the #1 pick this year.

We were a 8 seed with Jimmy which was our best player by a mile the year before that. There's no logical reason to think we're magically going to be anything more then a play-in team AT BEST if we stay healthy.

Now, if you makes sure Bam and Herro miss some with some "maintenance" and you put the ball in the younglings hands, The expected outcome is a top 8 r so pick.

Sure, nothing is guaranteed with the lottery. You just need to maximize your odds and hope to catch a break.

What is guaranteed is that being a play-in team year after year is the most miserable, hopeless position to be in, and that's where we're heading (again) if we don't change course.


And again - my path promises nothing but hope for a better future.

But hope is better then play-in.

And it's a lot better then mortgaging the future for 37YO players.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1292 » by twix2500 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:07 am



“Let me start with the most important point – the Phoenix Suns will do things very differently than most other NBA franchises,” a part of Ishbia’s letter reads. “I will be extremely active in the decisions and management of this organization, on and off the floor … While I won’t be reviewing film, designing offenses, or running the draft room, I will be deeply involved in ensuring that basketball operations, like every other area of our organization, is performing at the highest level.

“I’m aware that this approach is different from most other NBA franchises,” the letter adds. “I’m not the conventional NBA owner and I don’t want to be. I’ve tried running the typical NBA owner playbook – hiring the experts, signing the checks, and getting out of the way – and none of us were happy with the outcome. Making the playoffs two out of three years, and only winning one playoff series, is not good enough for this franchise and this community.”

https://arizonasports.com/dan-bickley/mat-ishbia-memo/3586057/
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1293 » by twix2500 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 10:19 am

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“Let me start with the most important point – the Phoenix Suns will do things very differently than most other NBA franchises,” a part of Ishbia’s letter reads. “I will be extremely active in the decisions and management of this organization, on and off the floor … While I won’t be reviewing film, designing offenses, or running the draft room, I will be deeply involved in ensuring that basketball operations, like every other area of our organization, is performing at the highest level.

“I’m aware that this approach is different from most other NBA franchises,” the letter adds. “I’m not the conventional NBA owner and I don’t want to be. I’ve tried running the typical NBA owner playbook – hiring the experts, signing the checks, and getting out of the way – and none of us were happy with the outcome. Making the playoffs two out of three years, and only winning one playoff series, is not good enough for this franchise and this community.”

https://arizonasports.com/dan-bickley/mat-ishbia-memo/3586057/


As I said months ago Suns owner is the one overriding most of the teams decisions, this is why Jones was ready to move on from the Suns for awhile. The Suns are moving in a direction where they are hiring a staff that is inexperienced and ok that decision are being made that's not their own. Personally iv been in the very position in one of my past career as Jones was in and I chose to resign (currently that owner and my former boss are currently in federal prison :lol: ). This type of direction of a organization is usually a very bad sign. It's gonna be a very violatile revolving door situation.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1294 » by eddieheatfan » Sat Jun 7, 2025 11:42 am

[quote="Vertical Limit"]Who is eddie, is he another ernie.. what credibility do those guys have[/quote]
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Post#1295 » by EMC5466 » Sat Jun 7, 2025 1:23 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1297 » by Beenie » Sat Jun 7, 2025 2:30 pm

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Dont see him as a option for Mia although they could certainly benefit from his handling

Orlando and New Orleans seem like viable destinations for him.
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Post#1298 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:31 pm

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Dont see him as a option for Mia although they could certainly benefit from his handling

Orlando and New Orleans seem like viable destinations for him.


Let’s do your Giannis/Beal deal and call it a summer after some vet signings
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Post#1299 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jun 7, 2025 3:47 pm

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