Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team

[G R E Y]

What's the most you'd be willing to deal for Giannis? I think it makes too much sense for both sides to not end up getting a deal done.

Well #2 has been rumoured to be on the table for Giannis only, but not Castle. It would almost certainly have to include Vassell as a starting point for salary matching purposes. Probably Sochan and a plethora of picks.

I've read it would also almost certainly involve at least a third team, possibly Pels since they have Bucks picks.

Harper Vassell is a solid back court. Harper is a blue chip prospect. Is he Giannis level? Well it doesn't appear so right now. But Giannis wasn't Giannis level if you know what I mean. It's almost always the case that the best player in a deal isn't made up for in quality so quantity has to be the wide net cast. Exceptions happen, like the PG deal that landed OKC Shai.

So Harper, Vassell, Sochan, whoever from Pels plus tons of picks.

We would have to be extremely careful about the second apron far sooner. Counting the cost all over the place, cap, court play, exchange of assets.

Surely Giannis is the first domino to fall. But until then, teams are figuring out if/then permutations and then the subsequent cold war assembling of firepower commences.

It's not Giannis, but would AD be a consolation price worth paying a slightly lesser cost for?

While the age difference isn't ideal, I personally feel like the time is NOW for the Spurs. I don't think you can depend on Wemby having a long 10+ year run and he's good enough right now to make some noise.

#2, Vassell, Keldon Johnson for Anthony Davis works from a salary perspective.

Wemby/Davis
Davis/Sochan
Barnes/Champagnie
Castle/Branham
Fox/Paul

Then they'd have about 35 mill to fill out the rest of the roster.

For the Mavs, they'd go deeper into a high powered re-build getting the two top prospects in the draft to build around and to set themselves up for the next era.

*all 26 or Under*
Lively*/Gafford*/Powell
Washington*/Marshall/Prosper
Flagg*/Martin
Thompson/Christie*
Harper*/Williams*/[Irving]

Try to trade Irving/Marshall/Martin/Thompson for more stuff.

AD plays Wemby's position and neither prefers PF. I know it's positionless basketball and all, but still both want C.

Beyond that, obvious health issues for AD, and the fact that he's Nico's darling acquisition it feels like neither side would want it.

We are not trading #2 for AD. AD is big time talent, but we are keeping Harper unless Giannis (looking less likely) is the return.

Paul is UFA and likely playing close to home; Branham is a third stringer/trade fodder.

We need a backup C, starting SF and PF, one of which KD addresses. I think that would be one of our big gets this summer. You're right in the range of assets we're likely to consolidate - except for #2 - but I don't think it's for AD.

[Tor_Raps]

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[Bernman]

What's the point of continuing to do this thru Jim O of MJS reporting Giannis met w/ the Bucks and reinforced he's happy, him liking tweets he's going nowhere, & starting local charities/businesses recently? It's just fun to fantasize you could get arguably the best player while giving up little?

[anotherhomer]

Giannis FOR Mobley is better

if cavs are prepared to offer mobley, then that's really tough to top

No chance Cavs are trading Mobley. It'll be Allen + Garland for Giannis as the centerpiece of the trade if one happens with the Cavs.

That maybe tough to top too

[Tor_Raps]

What's the point of continuing to do this thru Jim O of MJS reporting Giannis met w/ the Bucks and reinforced he's happy, him liking tweets he's going nowhere, & starting local charities/businesses recently? It's just fun to fantasize you could get arguably the best player while giving up little?

Yes lol

[Tor_Raps]

if cavs are prepared to offer mobley, then that's really tough to top

No chance Cavs are trading Mobley. It'll be Allen + Garland for Giannis as the centerpiece of the trade if one happens with the Cavs.

That maybe tough to top too

Agreed... that would be the best package of players available and something a team that doesnt have their own picks should be going after.

Garland/Allen were a pretty good duo before Mitchell got there. Cavs can also route Allen to the Pelicans to get their picks back + decent fillers too.

[Wooderson]

Whispers around town are saying Bucks and Raptors could be trade partners but the deal would be centered about Barnes for Kuzma, perhaps with a little sweetner like a 2nd round pick from the Bucks.

[G R E Y]

Whispers around town are saying Bucks and Raptors could be trade partners but the deal would be centered about Barnes for Kuzma, perhaps with a little sweetner like a 2nd round pick from the Bucks.

[JayMKE]

Toronto being the "betting favorite" should be another clue at the huge nothingburger this all is since they lack valuable assets, like lmao @ a trade based around Barnes and Dick. What universe is this? Why would the Bucks want these mediocre players? Why wouldn't 28 other teams just crap all over that offer? All those teams listed were just purely speculated and based on nothing. Giannis simply isn't leaving. This thread should be locked unless something credible is reported and not just "he's thinking about thinking about it one day" bull that Shams made up.

[MavsDirk41]

Whispers around town are saying Bucks and Raptors could be trade partners but the deal would be centered about Barnes for Kuzma, perhaps with a little sweetner like a 2nd round pick from the Bucks.

Is Nico running the Raptors organization now?

[Raps in 4]

What's the point of continuing to do this thru Jim O of MJS reporting Giannis met w/ the Bucks and reinforced he's happy, him liking tweets he's going nowhere, & starting local charities/businesses recently? It's just fun to fantasize you could get arguably the best player while giving up little?

It's all we have. It's been a rough few years being a Raptors fan. The only thing keeping us going are these fantasies.

[Raps in 4]

Toronto being the "betting favorite" should be another clue at the huge nothingburger this all is since they lack valuable assets, like lmao @ a trade based around Barnes and Dick. What universe is this? Why would the Bucks want these mediocre players? Why would 28 other teams just crap all over that offer? All those teams listed were just purely speculated and based on nothing. Giannis simply isn't leaving. This thread should be locked unless something credible is reported and not just "he's thinking about thinking about it one day" bull that Shams made up.

We've convinced ourselves that no other team wants Giannis because of... red flags (that for some reason don't pertain to us), while Giannis also specifically wants to play in Toronto so the Bucks have no choice but to trade him here. Some trade proposals on the Raps board don't even include Barnes (you're going to accept a trade for Giannis centering around RJ Barrett and you're going to like it).

[machu46]

Toronto being the "betting favorite" should be another clue at the huge nothingburger this all is since they lack valuable assets, like lmao @ a trade based around Barnes and Dick. What universe is this? Why would the Bucks want these mediocre players? Why wouldn't 28 other teams just crap all over that offer? All those teams listed were just purely speculated and based on nothing. Giannis simply isn't leaving. This thread should be locked unless something credible is reported and not just "he's thinking about thinking about it one day" bull that Shams made up.

Also a betting favorite being +500 just tells you nobody has any clue.

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[DwayneSchintzus]

If he wants out, i can’t imagine a better package than Harper, Vassell and the Atlanta picks for him.

Harper is a player you can build around, and picks from Atlanta avoids the “whatever team gets Giannis is going to be good” problem.

Year 3 Wemby-Giannis-Champagnie-Castle-Fox is a contender.

All the Carusos, Hartensteins and Dorts in the world can’t defend that.

[Bernman]

If he wants out, i can’t imagine a better package than Harper, Vassell and the Atlanta picks for him.

Harper is a player you can build around, and picks from Atlanta avoids the “whatever team gets Giannis is going to be good” problem.

Year 3 Wemby-Giannis-Champagnie-Castle-Fox is a contender.

All the Carusos, Hartensteins and Dorts in the world can’t defend that.

You are the epitome of the problem here. First, you ignore the concrete reporting & actions he's staying. So you might as well say if Jokic wants out, here's the best Nugs can get. Maybe start that thread.

Second, you propose a package, claiming it's the best deal, while you're super stingy to not concede more than 1 prospect, to build a super duper team you acknowledge, then you gaslight Bucks' fans it's the best we can get. And you come up with a tepid rebuild plan that doesn't involve the Bucks even getting their own picks back, so they're conceding top prospects potentially in the next couple of drafts. There's no empathy.

Any deal where the Bucks get real prospect(s) AND their own picks back OR multiple good win now guys & other team's picks is better than your garbage offer (speaking of Atlanta, they'd have a better one of like Jalen Johnson, Risacher, Gueye, picks this yr + other team's in the future). In a fantasy trade, concede Castle AND Harper + add-ons, or don't bother even making an offer. We'd find much better in reality.

[Scalabrine]

Well #2 has been rumoured to be on the table for Giannis only, but not Castle. It would almost certainly have to include Vassell as a starting point for salary matching purposes. Probably Sochan and a plethora of picks.

I've read it would also almost certainly involve at least a third team, possibly Pels since they have Bucks picks.

Harper Vassell is a solid back court. Harper is a blue chip prospect. Is he Giannis level? Well it doesn't appear so right now. But Giannis wasn't Giannis level if you know what I mean. It's almost always the case that the best player in a deal isn't made up for in quality so quantity has to be the wide net cast. Exceptions happen, like the PG deal that landed OKC Shai.

So Harper, Vassell, Sochan, whoever from Pels plus tons of picks.

We would have to be extremely careful about the second apron far sooner. Counting the cost all over the place, cap, court play, exchange of assets.

Surely Giannis is the first domino to fall. But until then, teams are figuring out if/then permutations and then the subsequent cold war assembling of firepower commences.

It's not Giannis, but would AD be a consolation price worth paying a slightly lesser cost for?

While the age difference isn't ideal, I personally feel like the time is NOW for the Spurs. I don't think you can depend on Wemby having a long 10+ year run and he's good enough right now to make some noise.

#2, Vassell, Keldon Johnson for Anthony Davis works from a salary perspective.

Wemby/Davis
Davis/Sochan
Barnes/Champagnie
Castle/Branham
Fox/Paul

Then they'd have about 35 mill to fill out the rest of the roster.

For the Mavs, they'd go deeper into a high powered re-build getting the two top prospects in the draft to build around and to set themselves up for the next era.

*all 26 or Under*
Lively*/Gafford*/Powell
Washington*/Marshall/Prosper
Flagg*/Martin
Thompson/Christie*
Harper*/Williams*/[Irving]

Try to trade Irving/Marshall/Martin/Thompson for more stuff.

AD plays Wemby's position and neither prefers PF. I know it's positionless basketball and all, but still both want C.

Beyond that, obvious health issues for AD, and the fact that he's Nico's darling acquisition it feels like neither side would want it.

We are not trading #2 for AD. AD is big time talent, but we are keeping Harper unless Giannis (looking less likely) is the return.

Paul is UFA and likely playing close to home; Branham is a third stringer/trade fodder.

We need a backup C, starting SF and PF, one of which KD addresses. I think that would be one of our big gets this summer. You're right in the range of assets we're likely to consolidate - except for #2 - but I don't think it's for AD.

AD has been pretty vocal about NOT wanting to be a Center and playing NEXT to a Center. Is that what you meant to say?

[G R E Y]

It's not Giannis, but would AD be a consolation price worth paying a slightly lesser cost for?

While the age difference isn't ideal, I personally feel like the time is NOW for the Spurs. I don't think you can depend on Wemby having a long 10+ year run and he's good enough right now to make some noise.

#2, Vassell, Keldon Johnson for Anthony Davis works from a salary perspective.

Wemby/Davis
Davis/Sochan
Barnes/Champagnie
Castle/Branham
Fox/Paul

Then they'd have about 35 mill to fill out the rest of the roster.

For the Mavs, they'd go deeper into a high powered re-build getting the two top prospects in the draft to build around and to set themselves up for the next era.

*all 26 or Under*
Lively*/Gafford*/Powell
Washington*/Marshall/Prosper
Flagg*/Martin
Thompson/Christie*
Harper*/Williams*/[Irving]

Try to trade Irving/Marshall/Martin/Thompson for more stuff.

AD plays Wemby's position and neither prefers PF. I know it's positionless basketball and all, but still both want C.

Beyond that, obvious health issues for AD, and the fact that he's Nico's darling acquisition it feels like neither side would want it.

We are not trading #2 for AD. AD is big time talent, but we are keeping Harper unless Giannis (looking less likely) is the return.

Paul is UFA and likely playing close to home; Branham is a third stringer/trade fodder.

We need a backup C, starting SF and PF, one of which KD addresses. I think that would be one of our big gets this summer. You're right in the range of assets we're likely to consolidate - except for #2 - but I don't think it's for AD.

AD has been pretty vocal about NOT wanting to be a Center and playing NEXT to a Center. Is that what you meant to say?

Oh? Yeah then I got that backwards, thanks.

But the health, not trading #2 for anything but GA, and weirdo Mavs GM having his fave player are still hindrances.

[165bows]

Toronto being the "betting favorite" should be another clue at the huge nothingburger this all is since they lack valuable assets, like lmao @ a trade based around Barnes and Dick. What universe is this? Why would the Bucks want these mediocre players? Why wouldn't 28 other teams just crap all over that offer? All those teams listed were just purely speculated and based on nothing. Giannis simply isn't leaving. This thread should be locked unless something credible is reported and not just "he's thinking about thinking about it one day" bull that Shams made up.

Betting odds iinm are a lot more about what bettors think than what is actually going to happen so I think the odds just tell us there are a lot of randy canadians out there

[jokeboy86]

Toronto being the "betting favorite" should be another clue at the huge nothingburger this all is since they lack valuable assets, like lmao @ a trade based around Barnes and Dick. What universe is this? Why would the Bucks want these mediocre players? Why wouldn't 28 other teams just crap all over that offer? All those teams listed were just purely speculated and based on nothing. Giannis simply isn't leaving. This thread should be locked unless something credible is reported and not just "he's thinking about thinking about it one day" bull that Shams made up.

Just watch the hit pieces and hot takes from the talking heads if Giannis chooses to stay with the Bucks. The fact that he and Jokic won't act how the elite American players act infuriates the national media and I think they fear Wembanyama will be the same way so I expect them to dismiss him in a few years as well.

[GoldenAntlers]

As a Bucks fan, I have no idea why other teams think their paultry offerings will be enough. Let alone that he actually wants to leave.