Blazers/Lakers/Bucks

[Mavrelous]

Blazers send: Ayton, Jerami Grant
Bkazers receive; Dame, PatC, Lakers 32 2nd, Bucks 32 2nd
Clean books on 28 to give more room to renegetioate and extend Avdija

Lakers send: Vanderbilt, Kleber, Vincent, Knecht, 32 2nd
Lakers receive: Ayton
Take flier on Ayton expiring, clean books for next year in case you eant to pursue FA
Lakers will have only Bronny on the books next year.

Bucks send: Dame PatC
Bucks receice: Grant, Vando, Vincent, Kleber, Knecht

Replace Dame with depth pieces, can be flipped to other teams for better players (Kleber, Vincent and fillers for CJ MaColllum forr example)

[JRoy]

Hard pass for POR.

No interest in Lillard reunion tour.

[tacos]

Lillaed is a much worse contract than Grant is... I don't know if you guys know this but Damian Lillard was not a very good Defender before ripping his achilles... he is likely to be the worst defender in the history of the NBA when he gets back at 65million a year to boot

2 2nds do nothing at all to change that

[JRoy]

Who is Parker?

[Pattycakes]

Hard pass for POR.

No interest in Lillard reunion tour.

Idk about a hard pass dumping grant but I’d prefer keeping DA anyway over dame round 2 at this point

[Mavrelous]

Hard pass for POR.

No interest in Lillard reunion tour.

Mjstake...

[JRoy]

Hard pass for POR.

No interest in Lillard reunion tour.

Mjstake...

Maybe on MLE after this contract expires.

I’m not interested in that but some people might be.

Sitting out a year with an injury that might end his career with a gigantic contract?

Pass.

[Mavrelous]

Hard pass for POR.

No interest in Lillard reunion tour.

Mjstake...

Maybe on MLE after this contract expires.

I’m not interested in that but some people might be.

Sitting out a year with an injury that might end his career with a gigantic contract?

Pass.

This was in reponse if who is parker, I quoted the wrong post.
The deal isn't for Lillard but to remove Grant 3rd year, which sits on the last year of Avdija who needs to renegotiate and extend.

[tester551]

Hard pass for POR.

No interest in Lillard reunion tour.

Mjstake...

Maybe on MLE after this contract expires.

I’m not interested in that but some people might be.

Sitting out a year with an injury that might end his career with a gigantic contract?

Pass.

Maybe on a vet minimum for a farewell tour...

The deal isn't for Lillard but to remove Grant 3rd year, which sits on the last year of Avdija who needs to renegotiate and extend.

Plenty of time to maneuver for that season.... its much better to let things play out than to make a move right now for 3 years away.
A LOT can happen in that time that can change the trajectory of the team

[Astaluego]

Eliminate the Bucks if the Blazers don't want Dame...

BLAZERS
In:Maxi(Cut)/Niang/Knecht/Vincent/2SRP(Hawks)
Out:Ayton/Thybulle/Reath

They cut money while they get 3-point shooters, which they need, in addition to getting a prospect at the beginning of his rookie contract.
They make room at the center position for their draft pick...Queen?or in free agency

HAWKS
In: Hachimura/Reath
Out:Niang+2 SRP

They fill the hole left by Hunter, with an entry-level wing at a low price.

LAKERS
In:Ayton/Thybulle
Out: Vincent/Maxi/Hachimura/Knecht

He gets an elite defensive wing, who although in a short period, was shooting the 3 with the best efficiency and volume of his career
.. Ayton has the perfect skill set... his age and contract year are a risk, but the Lakers retain his FRP, and Ayton has already demonstrated his talent in the right environment.
At worst, the Lakers will have a ton of space next summer.

[nykballa2k4]

Eliminate the Bucks if the Blazers don't want Dame...

BLAZERS
In:Maxi(Cut)/Niang/Knecht/Vincent/2SRP(Hawks)
Out:Ayton/Thybulle/Reath

They cut money while they get 3-point shooters, which they need, in addition to getting a prospect at the beginning of his rookie contract.
They make room at the center position for their draft pick...Queen?or in free agency

HAWKS
In: Hachimura/Reath
Out:Niang+2 SRP

They fill the hole left by Hunter, with an entry-level wing at a low price.

LAKERS
In:Ayton/Thybulle
Out: Vincent/Maxi/Hachimura/Knecht

He gets an elite defensive wing, who although in a short period, was shooting the 3 with the best efficiency and volume of his career
.. Ayton has the perfect skill set... his age and contract year are a risk, but the Lakers retain his FRP, and Ayton has already demonstrated his talent in the right environment.
At worst, the Lakers will have a ton of space next summer.

dear lord ... none of this is close to right value here. though I suppose Lakers are not used to paying full price.

Ayton is a legit starting center in the league. His contract is now one year shorter and the league cap on year fatter. If Portland is taking in all of this ballast, they need something of real value coming back. Knecht4 is not enough and SRP is not going to get you there.
They need, at a minimum, the Mark Williams package. If Lakers want to make 2031 a swap option rather than outright pick, that's fine.
Knecht 4, 2031 (swap so Lakers can still deal 2032 if need be), 2 SRP(from whoever is willing to turn Rui/Vando into value), and then the cap fodder you suggest.

[tester551]

Eliminate the Bucks if the Blazers don't want Dame...

BLAZERS
In:Maxi(Cut)/Niang/Knecht/Vincent/2SRP(Hawks)
Out:Ayton/Thybulle/Reath

They cut money while they get 3-point shooters, which they need, in addition to getting a prospect at the beginning of his rookie contract.
They make room at the center position for their draft pick...Queen?or in free agency

HAWKS
In: Hachimura/Reath
Out:Niang+2 SRP

They fill the hole left by Hunter, with an entry-level wing at a low price.

LAKERS
In:Ayton/Thybulle
Out: Vincent/Maxi/Hachimura/Knecht

He gets an elite defensive wing, who although in a short period, was shooting the 3 with the best efficiency and volume of his career
.. Ayton has the perfect skill set... his age and contract year are a risk, but the Lakers retain his FRP, and Ayton has already demonstrated his talent in the right environment.
At worst, the Lakers will have a ton of space next summer.

Nah - This doesn't work for me as a Blazer fan.

Only part of this that I can get down with is the Reath trade for seconds...

[Mavrelous]

Eliminate the Bucks if the Blazers don't want Dame...

BLAZERS
In:Maxi(Cut)/Niang/Knecht/Vincent/2SRP(Hawks)
Out:Ayton/Thybulle/Reath

They cut money while they get 3-point shooters, which they need, in addition to getting a prospect at the beginning of his rookie contract.
They make room at the center position for their draft pick...Queen?or in free agency

HAWKS
In: Hachimura/Reath
Out:Niang+2 SRP

They fill the hole left by Hunter, with an entry-level wing at a low price.

LAKERS
In:Ayton/Thybulle
Out: Vincent/Maxi/Hachimura/Knecht

He gets an elite defensive wing, who although in a short period, was shooting the 3 with the best efficiency and volume of his career
.. Ayton has the perfect skill set... his age and contract year are a risk, but the Lakers retain his FRP, and Ayton has already demonstrated his talent in the right environment.
At worst, the Lakers will have a ton of space next summer.

dear lord ... none of this is close to right value here. though I suppose Lakers are not used to paying full price.

Ayton is a legit starting center in the league. His contract is now one year shorter and the league cap on year fatter. If Portland is taking in all of this ballast, they need something of real value coming back. Knecht4 is not enough and SRP is not going to get you there.
They need, at a minimum, the Mark Williams package. If Lakers want to make 2031 a swap option rather than outright pick, that's fine.
Knecht 4, 2031 (swap so Lakers can still deal 2032 if need be), 2 SRP(from whoever is willing to turn Rui/Vando into value), and then the cap fodder you suggest.

Ayton is an MLE center paid the max, Hachimura alone has more value than him.

[Texas Chuck]

dear lord ... none of this is close to right value here. though I suppose Lakers are not used to paying full price.

Ayton is a legit starting center in the league. His contract is now one year shorter and the league cap on year fatter. If Portland is taking in all of this ballast, they need something of real value coming back. Knecht4 is not enough and SRP is not going to get you there.
They need, at a minimum, the Mark Williams package. If Lakers want to make 2031 a swap option rather than outright pick, that's fine.
Knecht 4, 2031 (swap so Lakers can still deal 2032 if need be), 2 SRP(from whoever is willing to turn Rui/Vando into value), and then the cap fodder you suggest.

I'd have Rui worth at least as much as Ayton. So adding in Knecht and LA is overpaying if anything.

Asking them to give up an unprotected swap on top of that for Ayton is not something I could imagine they consider. He's not good at or interested in doing the things they would need from him. They don't need him eating possessions shooting midrange jumpers like he wants to do.

Wrong target and your valuation is crazy high for Ayton. Guess that first overall pick rub is still there for you years after its long gone. He's negative value on a max contract.

[nykballa2k4]

Eliminate the Bucks if the Blazers don't want Dame...

BLAZERS
In:Maxi(Cut)/Niang/Knecht/Vincent/2SRP(Hawks)
Out:Ayton/Thybulle/Reath

They cut money while they get 3-point shooters, which they need, in addition to getting a prospect at the beginning of his rookie contract.
They make room at the center position for their draft pick...Queen?or in free agency

HAWKS
In: Hachimura/Reath
Out:Niang+2 SRP

They fill the hole left by Hunter, with an entry-level wing at a low price.

LAKERS
In:Ayton/Thybulle
Out: Vincent/Maxi/Hachimura/Knecht

He gets an elite defensive wing, who although in a short period, was shooting the 3 with the best efficiency and volume of his career
.. Ayton has the perfect skill set... his age and contract year are a risk, but the Lakers retain his FRP, and Ayton has already demonstrated his talent in the right environment.
At worst, the Lakers will have a ton of space next summer.

dear lord ... none of this is close to right value here. though I suppose Lakers are not used to paying full price.

Ayton is a legit starting center in the league. His contract is now one year shorter and the league cap on year fatter. If Portland is taking in all of this ballast, they need something of real value coming back. Knecht4 is not enough and SRP is not going to get you there.
They need, at a minimum, the Mark Williams package. If Lakers want to make 2031 a swap option rather than outright pick, that's fine.
Knecht 4, 2031 (swap so Lakers can still deal 2032 if need be), 2 SRP(from whoever is willing to turn Rui/Vando into value), and then the cap fodder you suggest.

Ayton is an MLE center paid the max, Hachimura alone has more value than him.

Ayton is horrendously underrated. He can score 20, he can block shots, he can make free throws, gather boards. Even if he hasn't gotten any better than we was from the Suns finals run, that's still a better center and a more complete center than half the dudes in the league.
Rui is a nice player, but he is the Tobias Harris of Tobias Harrises.

Nets wouldn't take Rui for a top 55 protected pick into their cap space.
Change Ayton to Kuzma and you have an argument to make, but yeah, Ayton is being severely undersold here...

[nykballa2k4]

dear lord ... none of this is close to right value here. though I suppose Lakers are not used to paying full price.

Ayton is a legit starting center in the league. His contract is now one year shorter and the league cap on year fatter. If Portland is taking in all of this ballast, they need something of real value coming back. Knecht4 is not enough and SRP is not going to get you there.
They need, at a minimum, the Mark Williams package. If Lakers want to make 2031 a swap option rather than outright pick, that's fine.
Knecht 4, 2031 (swap so Lakers can still deal 2032 if need be), 2 SRP(from whoever is willing to turn Rui/Vando into value), and then the cap fodder you suggest.

I'd have Rui worth at least as much as Ayton. So adding in Knecht and LA is overpaying if anything.

Asking them to give up an unprotected swap on top of that for Ayton is not something I could imagine they consider. He's not good at or interested in doing the things they would need from him. They don't need him eating possessions shooting midrange jumpers like he wants to do.

Wrong target and your valuation is crazy high for Ayton. Guess that first overall pick rub is still there for you years after its long gone. He's negative value on a max contract.

2 years ago, before getting traded to a cellar dweller with chuck and duck guards, he was averaging 16.4 points/10.5 boards.
His contract has 1 more year on it, so that's not even really a problem. 35M for an above average C is probably better than half the 50M contracts in the league.

[Mavrelous]

dear lord ... none of this is close to right value here. though I suppose Lakers are not used to paying full price.

Ayton is a legit starting center in the league. His contract is now one year shorter and the league cap on year fatter. If Portland is taking in all of this ballast, they need something of real value coming back. Knecht4 is not enough and SRP is not going to get you there.
They need, at a minimum, the Mark Williams package. If Lakers want to make 2031 a swap option rather than outright pick, that's fine.
Knecht 4, 2031 (swap so Lakers can still deal 2032 if need be), 2 SRP(from whoever is willing to turn Rui/Vando into value), and then the cap fodder you suggest.

Ayton is an MLE center paid the max, Hachimura alone has more value than him.

Ayton is horrendously underrated. He can score 20, he can block shots, he can make free throws, gather boards. Even if he hasn't gotten any better than we was from the Suns finals run, that's still a better center and a more complete center than half the dudes in the league.
Rui is a nice player, but he is the Tobias Harris of Tobias Harrises.

Nets wouldn't take Rui for a top 55 protected pick into their cap space.
Change Ayton to Kuzma and you have an argument to make, but yeah, Ayton is being severely undersold here...

Ayton was traded for Nurkic, and spent his contract on a tanking team.
Nets will take Hachimura way before taking Ayton, you're way off on your valuation.

[Texas Chuck]

He's not an above average starting center though. He's not interested in protecting the paint, or setting hard screens and rolling hard. This is what LA would need from a center not volume scoring and getting in Luka's way.

And just because Beal has a worse contract doesn't mean the Lakers should badly overpay for Ayton. Those other contracts have zero relevance. What is relevant is if he was a free agent no team is giving him close to $35M. And I'm not sure any good teams would give him the MLE. He played the right way when Chris Paul was there to make him plus he wanted to secure his bag. The second he got paid, he immediately stopped giving effort at defense and started openly talking about how he needed to be a primary offensive option.

He's talented. And if he wanted to, he could absolutely be worth a good contract and a major role on a good team. He's openly told us he's not interested in that and backed it up by his play.

[Wizenheimer]

Hard pass for POR.

No interest in Lillard reunion tour.

I'm not saying, as a Blazer fan, I'd do the trade, but you seriously exaggerate how bad it is

first of all, delete Pat Connaughton. If the trade fails without him so be it. But looking at the deal without him....

Dame's salary next season is 54.1M. Ayton + Grant is 67.6M. So the Blazers save over 13M next season getting them 30M below the tax line (25M after signing the 11th pick)

yes, in 2026-27 Dame's salary is 24M more than Grant's. But the following season, Grant's salary is 36.4M more than Dame's 0 salary

also, this removes the temptation Cronin has to idiotically re-sgn Ayton. That's worth something

[Wizenheimer]

Ayton is horrendously underrated. He can score 20, he can block shots, he can make free throws, gather boards. .

he can score 20 when he's shooting 16 or 17 times a game

but he is trash as a rim protector and may be the worst big in the NBA at getting to the FT line. LOL...he averaged 1 FT a game last season. He's a poor defender and is bad at setting screens. He's a nearly useless modern C; a poster boy for empty stats

and yes, I'm a Blazer fan who has watched him for 2 seasons