2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Fun fact:
Heat 08 -> 30th on offense
Heat 09 -> 20th on offense
Heat 10 -> 19th on offense

D.Wade was their best player and he was absolutely amazing at times, shows how much of a team game this still is no matter how good your best offensive player is.

Yea his overall team quality was far worse than what we currently have imo and 08 he was cooked, he shouldn’t have even been playing with his injuries but I’m guessing he was being stubborn about sitting out

[greg4012]

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Fun fact:
Heat 08 -> 30th on offense
Heat 09 -> 20th on offense
Heat 10 -> 19th on offense

D.Wade was their best player and he was absolutely amazing at times, shows how much of a team game this still is no matter how good your best offensive player is.

Yea his overall team quality was far worse than what we currently have imo and 08 he was cooked, he shouldn’t have even been playing with his injuries but I’m guessing he was being stubborn about sitting out

Yea Wade basically only played half the season in 2008 while Miami was quite clearly in stealth tank mode.

The awesome thing about Wade is that even on those teams, he was still a plus defender. He didn't let bad teammates drag down his defensive impact.

You very rarely see a guard lead the team in DBPM, DWS, and have the lowest DRTG, but that's exactly what Wade was doing. True 2-way star.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Fun fact:
Heat 08 -> 30th on offense
Heat 09 -> 20th on offense
Heat 10 -> 19th on offense

D.Wade was their best player and he was absolutely amazing at times, shows how much of a team game this still is no matter how good your best offensive player is.

Yea his overall team quality was far worse than what we currently have imo and 08 he was cooked, he shouldn’t have even been playing with his injuries but I’m guessing he was being stubborn about sitting out

Yea Wade basically only played half the season in 2008 while Miami was quite clearly in stealth tank mode.

The awesome thing about Wade is that even on those teams, he was still a plus defender. He didn't let bad teammates drag down his defensive impact.

You very rarely see a guard lead the team in DBPM, DWS, and have the lowest DRTG, but that's exactly what Wade was doing. True 2-way star.

Dude was getting shafted yearly on end of season awards, made me sick.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Mitchell
Herro
Derozan
Bam
Ware

Patrick is LOCKED IN.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Miami continues to move further and further out of the KD picture. not surprised from the negative comments said to my friend

[batterybro42]

Run this deal back, let the bad contracts leave us, maintain the flexibility. Miami is not that far away, and a I firmly believe not a bad basketball team as currently constructed. I don’t think people realize how wild it is to have the center point of your entire attack quit on the team halfway through the year.

I think one of the things that really got to Spo this year was that he tried to revamp the offense and move us to a 5 out attack. Jimmy bucked it, sulked about it, and then torpedoed the move. I don’t know if you guys remember the way we looked in pre season but it was fresh it was fun, the spacing was amazing. Spo designed that offense for that team but if you recall Jimmy was upset being moved off the primary actions in favor for Herro, Spo went back to the old stuff to try to pacify Jimmy to “take him out of the corner”.

What we were left with when the dust settled was a confused offensive attack in the middle of a scheme transition without one of its biggest pieces. I think if you let Spo get back to the drawing board things will improve on that end. The adjustments are obvious, better spacing, higher tempo it can be done with everybody on board. I do think that involves playing Bam a lot more at the 5 and using the 2 big lineup more situationally.

Herro needs to develop the ability to turn tight defensive coverage into an advantage by distributing and by foul baiting. Miami needs to figure out how to ultimately turn the current cap allotment of Wiggins, Duncan, and Terry into a player who can contribute to the scoring at a clip that can reduce coverage on Herro. I think with our core of players and the way the team is built, they can afford to be patient, and I wouldn’t rule out something opening up around the deadline. Let people continue to overpay we are moving towards a power position, we just need to stop trying to apply bandaids and let things run their course. That doesn’t mean we have to tank or can’t be competitive.

[Shewasfly]

Miami continues to move further and further out of the KD picture. not surprised from the negative comments said to my friend

It makes way more sense for both sides sadly. As soon as the Spurs entered the conversation and questions about the 2nd pick came into play, it was a wrap. We can't even begin to compete with that. Plus even without championship contention, Wemby studying under KD for 2-3 seasons >>>>>>> for the future of their franchise.

Honestly even when the Knicks entered the picture, it was kind of a signal that it wasn't going to happen for us. They also can offer a decent package without being terrible after.

That's why all the chatter about how above a KD trade we are bc KD is washed, old, etc. is funny. He might end up going for a lot. And yet somehow we are both too good for stars that are far and away better than our best players, but also everyone on our team sucks and is terrible.

[Heat3]

Bam banged the drums tonight before the Panthers game and the cats whooped the Oilers 6-1. Total domination, what a joy to watch.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Bam banged the drums tonight before the Panthers game and the cats whooped the Oilers 6-1. Total domination, what a joy to watch.

That was such a treat.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[marson]

The Spurs offer of Vassell, Barnes, and the 14th pick is too good for Phoenix to pass up. Barnes brings veteran leadership something the Suns need and Vassell is a young, versatile player who can really play.

Compared to that, our trash package of Wiggins, Jaquez, Rozier and a future pick likely won't interest them. With the 14th pick, they can also draft a point guard or center to round out their roster.

For us, it looks like this will be more of a development season. We're not expecting major changes, just bring in some high-level 3&D players to replace Rozier and Duncan.

[wade44]

Panthers!! <3

[MettaWorldPanda]

The Spurs offer of Vassell, Barnes, and the 14th pick is too good for Phoenix to pass up. Barnes brings veteran leadership something the Suns need and Vassell is a young, versatile player who can really play.

Compared to that, our trash package of Wiggins, Jaquez, Rozier and a future pick likely won't interest them. With the 14th pick, they can also draft a point guard or center to round out their roster.

For us, it looks like this will be more of a development season. We're not expecting major changes, just bring in some high-level 3&D players to replace Rozier and Duncan.

Suns fans talking about flipping the Spurs pieces for Markkannen who played for Arizona. Might be a much better fit for them.

[marson]

The Spurs offer of Vassell, Barnes, and the 14th pick is too good for Phoenix to pass up. Barnes brings veteran leadership something the Suns need and Vassell is a young, versatile player who can really play.

Compared to that, our trash package of Wiggins, Jaquez, Rozier and a future pick likely won't interest them. With the 14th pick, they can also draft a point guard or center to round out their roster.

For us, it looks like this will be more of a development season. We're not expecting major changes, just bring in some high-level 3&D players to replace Rozier and Duncan.

Suns fans talking about flipping the Spurs pieces for Markkannen who played for Arizona. Might be a much better fit for them.

Still interested in Bruce Brown and a few players from New Orleans.

Herb Jones is worth considering if the price is reasonable. Kelly O would also be a great fit.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The Spurs offer of Vassell, Barnes, and the 14th pick is too good for Phoenix to pass up. Barnes brings veteran leadership something the Suns need and Vassell is a young, versatile player who can really play.

Compared to that, our trash package of Wiggins, Jaquez, Rozier and a future pick likely won't interest them. With the 14th pick, they can also draft a point guard or center to round out their roster.

For us, it looks like this will be more of a development season. We're not expecting major changes, just bring in some high-level 3&D players to replace Rozier and Duncan.

Suns fans talking about flipping the Spurs pieces for Markkannen who played for Arizona. Might be a much better fit for them.

Still interested in Bruce Brown and a few players from New Orleans.

Herb Jones is worth considering if the price is reasonable. Kelly O would also be a great fit.

Think McCollum and Kelly Olynyk are the most realistic gets for the price. Herb Jones will get them some good draft capital back. Bruce Brown is a free agent but they are talking about a potential S&T with him. Not sure we are going to be interested in that. McCollum and KO also happen to be Heat friendly agent Jeff Schwartz’s clients.

[contract]

Miami continues to move further and further out of the KD picture. not surprised from the negative comments said to my friend

It makes way more sense for both sides sadly. As soon as the Spurs entered the conversation and questions about the 2nd pick came into play, it was a wrap. We can't even begin to compete with that. Plus even without championship contention, Wemby studying under KD for 2-3 seasons >>>>>>> for the future of their franchise.

Honestly even when the Knicks entered the picture, it was kind of a signal that it wasn't going to happen for us. They also can offer a decent package without being terrible after.

That's why all the chatter about how above a KD trade we are bc KD is washed, old, etc. is funny. He might end up going for a lot. And yet somehow we are both too good for stars that are far and away better than our best players, but also everyone on our team sucks and is terrible.

It's not about being too good, it's about trying to be smart. It's about trying to avoid making moves that will cripple the franchise for another 3 or 4 years. No one has ever gotten ahead making obviously bad decisions. You don't invest in guys at the end of their career.

If KD wants to come over as a 1 year rental, that's fine. Giving him an extension is not.

[Bishop45]

Just want Sexton, Ainge

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[RexBoyWonder]

Just like not sending the farm for Lilard quickly turned to out to be a blessing in disguise,

Not getting KD for Ware/Jovic/Picks will save us from a self inflected catastrophe.


If KD really wants to be here he can become a free agent next summer and sigh here into the cap space which we'll have, without us gutting our future it the process.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I mean to be fair on Lillard that was a freak injury he received after likely rushing back too soon coming off his blood thinners and we would’ve had a Dame/Bam/Jimmy big 3 with Bam/Jimmy coming off a trip to the finals in which they lost lacking firepower. Dame would’ve been the most skilled 3 level scorer to ever wear a Heat jersey. I’ll take my chances with those 3

[RexBoyWonder]

I mean to be fair on Lillard that was a freak injury he received after likely rushing back too soon coming off his blood thinners and we would’ve had a Dame/Bam/Jimmy big 3 with Bam/Jimmy coming off a trip to the finals in which they lost lacking firepower. Dame would’ve been the most skilled 3 level scorer to ever wear a Heat jersey. I’ll take my chances with those 3

As expected based on age and mileage - Herro got better and Lilard got worse (even before multiple serious injuries).

Now the Bucks are stuck with one of the worst contracts in the league.

If we lost Herro/Jovic/Ware/picks for Dame - This organization would've been in purgatory for years to come. Probably would've left us in the worst situation in the entire league - old, bad, injured, no current young improving players and no future assets.

Gutting the team for 37YO KD will probably result in something similar, in pretty high probability.