#1/#2-I'm sure this has been proposed

[pipfan]

Dallas sends #1/Martin/Marshall to SA
SA sends #2/#14/2027 Atl 1st/Barnes to Dallas

SA gets Flagg and goes with
Fox/Castle
Vassell/Castle
Flagg/Johnson
Sochan/Flagg
Wemby/?

They get Flagg and build around him/Wemby-incredible duo

Dallas gets their PG, adds 2 picks and frees up future cap space
Harper/Christie
Klay
PJ Washington/Barnes
AD/Barnes
Lively/Gafford
#14 is BPA-shooter would be a good fit to back up Klay

They would also now have 2026 cap space, depending on Irving

[babyjax13]

I think this is significantly short on value given the difference between Flagg and Harper as prospects + the intrinsic value of the 'first pick' (marketing, etc.) + the particular situation the Mavs are in after trading Luka.

[One_and_Done]

Feels like SA is overpaying slightly.

[ACMFFL]

Not even close for the Mavs.
This package is closer to AD value than Flagg.

I have no interest in anything the Spurs have to offer, minus Wemby ofc xD

[MotownMadness]

That doesn’t get you Flagg

[daoneandonly]

Feels like SA is overpaying slightly.

Once again the SA fan thinking they should be handed everything like they were Robinson, Duncan, Wemby, Fox, and Harper. This deal is terrible for Dallas and zero reason for them to do it.

[jayjaysee]

I’m hoping to enjoy my crow about Flagg. But that seems like it should be good enough for the swap.

I’m not sure if the Naji/Martin for Barnes swap is meant to add value to SAS or Dallas, but I’d leave it out.

[Astaluego]

Feels like SA is overpaying slightly.

too predictable

[Mavrelous]

If Mavs don't see Flagg as a future all NBA guy, and they are looking for a ladder to climb down from 1st overall, this offer is fine, if the aim is to knock Mavs socks off, and force them to give up Flagg. this isn't a trade close to doing that.

[Texas Chuck]

yeah this is the deal maybe you take if you believe Harper is better than Flagg. It is not a deal you even consider if the Mavs see the prospects the way the NBA world as a whole currently does.

Every thing the Mavs have done, suggests they see Flagg much higher than Harper, but honestly they can't say anything else so its possible they actually feel differently and we know Niko doesn't care what anyone else thinks.

Still in the absence of info, I'd say this is woefully short and not something Dallas would ever consider.

[pipfan]

I guess the ATL pick doesn't have the value I thought
Yes, the Barnes swap gives value to Dallas-it opens up more cap space for 2026 and gives them a better player now. I think Dallas would have about $40-50 million in cap space next summer if Irving doesn't come back from this deal

Anyway, I like Flagg A LOT as a prospect and I think Dallas should deal AD and start over around him/Lively

[One_and_Done]

Feels like SA is overpaying slightly.

Once again the SA fan thinking they should be handed everything like they were Robinson, Duncan, Wemby, Fox, and Harper. This deal is terrible for Dallas and zero reason for them to do it.

I personally don't understand why Flagg is so much more valuable than Harper. There's a decent chance Harper ends up better, even if Flagg is a 'safer' pick.

Leaving that aside, the commentary from some Mavs fans in this thread sounds out of touch with reality. One Mavs fan said they wouldn't trade him to the Spurs for anything except Wemby. That's crazy. That poster is in effect saying that the Spurs could offer the Mavs #2 and another 7 first rounders, many with high upside, and they's still say no. There just isn't that much difference between #1 & #2.

[Texas Chuck]

Leaving that aside, the commentary from some Mavs fans in this thread sounds out of touch with reality. One Mavs fan said they wouldn't trade him to the Spurs for anything except Wemby. That's crazy. That poster is in effect saying that the Spurs could offer the Mavs #2 and another 7 first rounders, many with high upside, and they's still say no. There just isn't that much difference between #1 & #2.

Let's look at the Mavs fans itt:

Mavs fan 1 said not even close, this is closer to AD value and then says he doesn't want anything the Spurs have except Wemby. Then you use hyperbole to try and make him look unreasonable lol

Mavs fan 2 said it was terrible and no reason for them to do it

Mavs fan 3 said this deal was good enough

Mavs fan 4 said if the Mavs agree with you on Flagg this is fine

Mavs fan 5 said if the Mavs agree with you on Flagg this is fine


Man those darn Mavs fans. So so unreasonable lol.

[jayjaysee]

I guess the ATL pick doesn't have the value I thought
Yes, the Barnes swap gives value to Dallas-it opens up more cap space for 2026 and gives them a better player now. I think Dallas would have about $40-50 million in cap space next summer if Irving doesn't come back from this deal

Anyway, I like Flagg A LOT as a prospect and I think Dallas should deal AD and start over around him/Lively

I don’t think there is a way for cap space that makes Dallas better? What free agent coming to Dallas is better than locking up Kyrie? (And PJ)

If you're going for a rebuild - you don’t trade Flagg, trade AD and tank. Then worry about cap space later in season if you want.. Flagg, Lively, AD trade return and the 2026 first should develop well together if Flagg is what everyone thinks he is.. And you can get some extra value for some/all of PJ, Gaff, Naji if you are tanking a year…

Just do the OP and figure out the KD trade after. Kyrie, Harper, Christie, Naji, KD, AD, Lively is a really balanced/talented playoff lineup if Harper can just be a decent starter as a rookie..

But a fun side of the OP is Dallas would be able to trade a first in every draft by doing it… so while getting KD raises the ceiling for a year or two.. You could keep Harper and trade four firsts with PJ/Gafford for a mid-20’s star and actually do a two time line thing..

[wemby]

If the Mavs believe Cooper Flagg is a generational prospect, no amount of picks is going to make them move back. But even if they don't, it's very hard to see them taking another huge gamble that could end in firings and riots. Bottom line, Mavs are extremely unlikely to move from Flagg at any price, except for maybe a Giannis deal, which I wouldn't do either if I were them.

[wemby]

If Mavs don't see Flagg as a future all NBA guy, and they are looking for a ladder to climb down from 1st overall, this offer is fine, if the aim is to knock Mavs socks off, and force them to give up Flagg. this isn't a trade close to doing that.

Forcing a team to do anything is a recipe for disaster, it never ends well. You probably do your due diligence and test the waters, and if they are willing to listen then maybe you pitch an offer, but chances of Mavs moving from Flagg after everything that happened with Luka, it's 0.0000000000001%

[ACMFFL]

Feels like SA is overpaying slightly.

Once again the SA fan thinking they should be handed everything like they were Robinson, Duncan, Wemby, Fox, and Harper. This deal is terrible for Dallas and zero reason for them to do it.

I personally don't understand why Flagg is so much more valuable than Harper. There's a decent chance Harper ends up better, even if Flagg is a 'safer' pick.

Leaving that aside, the commentary from some Mavs fans in this thread sounds out of touch with reality. One Mavs fan said they wouldn't trade him to the Spurs for anything except Wemby. That's crazy. That poster is in effect saying that the Spurs could offer the Mavs #2 and another 7 first rounders, many with high upside, and they's still say no. There just isn't that much difference between #1 & #2.

Are you ok, dude? you seem pissed just because Flagg is unanimously considered the far superior player in this draft.

It makes zero sense to trade Flagg for an inferior talent and a bunch of unknowns. What's the point in trading #1 for Harper/2picks? Just to hope for another stroke of lucky again and..find another Flagg?

[One_and_Done]

Once again the SA fan thinking they should be handed everything like they were Robinson, Duncan, Wemby, Fox, and Harper. This deal is terrible for Dallas and zero reason for them to do it.

I personally don't understand why Flagg is so much more valuable than Harper. There's a decent chance Harper ends up better, even if Flagg is a 'safer' pick.

Leaving that aside, the commentary from some Mavs fans in this thread sounds out of touch with reality. One Mavs fan said they wouldn't trade him to the Spurs for anything except Wemby. That's crazy. That poster is in effect saying that the Spurs could offer the Mavs #2 and another 7 first rounders, many with high upside, and they's still say no. There just isn't that much difference between #1 & #2.

Are you ok, dude?

It makes zero sense to trade Flagg for an inferior talent and a bunch of unknows. What's the point in trading #1 for picks? Just to hope for another stroke of lucky again and find another Flagg?

If you were trading away the #1 that would be the kernel of an argument. The proposal here is to trade down, to #2, where the guy projected at 2 is also seen as a likely star. This isn't the Wemby draft, where the drop off after #1 is immense.

[Mavrelous]

If Mavs don't see Flagg as a future all NBA guy, and they are looking for a ladder to climb down from 1st overall, this offer is fine, if the aim is to knock Mavs socks off, and force them to give up Flagg. this isn't a trade close to doing that.

Forcing a team to do anything is a recipe for disaster, it never ends well. You probably do your due diligence and test the waters, and if they are willing to listen then maybe you pitch an offer, but chances of Mavs moving from Flagg after everything that happened with Luka, it's 0.0000000000001%

No team can force a team to do anything, it's not a recipe for a disaster, it's not a recipe at all, any trade require the voluntary agreement of 2 parties.
The price depends on how 2 sides value an asset, at this price, Mavs valuation for Flagg needs to be far off consensus, it is possible, we certainly have precedent (Hornets preferring Miller over Scoot who was consensus #2, with healthy gap), but according to consensus this offer isn't close.

[ACMFFL]

I personally don't understand why Flagg is so much more valuable than Harper. There's a decent chance Harper ends up better, even if Flagg is a 'safer' pick.

Leaving that aside, the commentary from some Mavs fans in this thread sounds out of touch with reality. One Mavs fan said they wouldn't trade him to the Spurs for anything except Wemby. That's crazy. That poster is in effect saying that the Spurs could offer the Mavs #2 and another 7 first rounders, many with high upside, and they's still say no. There just isn't that much difference between #1 & #2.

Are you ok, dude?

It makes zero sense to trade Flagg for an inferior talent and a bunch of unknows. What's the point in trading #1 for picks? Just to hope for another stroke of lucky again and find another Flagg?

If you were trading away the #1 that would be the kernel of an argument. The proposal here is to trade down, to #2, where the guy projected at 2 is also seen as a likely star. This isn't the Wemby draft, where the drop off after #1 is immense.

Sorry but the gap between #1 and #2 is huge, Harper is not in the same league with Flagg.