azwfan wrote:vvoland wrote:azwfan wrote:If we bring in a 2-way player the team will be fine. Butler can anchor the defense (as if we need an “anchor”). 1-way specialty players at this point should be bench guys and/or young guys who are developing their game. Not $26m vets who dont show up unless motivated by external parties. But really we should have gotten off of Draymond a few years ago. Like i said somewhere, at this point, theyve chosen their path so might as well keep going down it since they arent trading Steph and likely cant get anyone as good for Jimmy.
Edit: so yeah,
Option 1 (unlikely available): throw kitchen sink at getting Giannis
Option 2: draymond, moody, buddy and whatever else but no post steph picks for star 2-way player (also unlikely)
Option 3 (most likely): Resign JK to trade another day, and try dumpster diving for vets.
Edit2:
Guess theres an option 4: Let JK go and sign someone using full mle (or s&t for someone). I think this more likely than options 1&2 but less than option 3.
My preference is 1,2,3,4.
I think you're really underestimating what dray does to a defense that, last year, may not have had a single player that was above average defensively before we got jimmy. Even with Jimmy, that's 2 players. Our centers were terrible on D and on the boards. Moody and JK were up and down, to say the least. Podz was better this year but I still wouldn't call him above average. GP2 had a bad season. Loon barely played. Buddy was way better than expected but still, average at best. All that added up to the best defense in the league for the last 35 games. That's almost half the season.
You're saying we'll be fine if we bring in a 2-way player while shipping out a
perennial DPOY ? I'm sorry, that is even crazier than saying our offense will be fine if we ship out steph for a 2 way PG. Dray does more with less on defense than Steph does on offense and you really think moving dray for deni avdija wouldn't be a huge downgrade defensively?
And yes, we need an 'anchor' on defense. Every great defense has one and it doesn't have to be a shot blocker. It just has to be the guy that knows all the assignments, gets people in position, hold them accountable, and, most importantly, can cover for their mistakes. Unless you're getting Bam, I just don't know where you replace this.
Except Steph is better on defense than Dray is on offense. And Steph is better on Offense than Dray is on defense.
Doesn't perennial refer to ocuring every year? Or at least, more than once?Top defensive teams last season:
OKC, BOS, DET, MIN, CLE, HOU, GSW, NYK. Exactly one of those teams had Draymond Green. And none had Bam Adebayo. Why exactly does GSW team NEED these specific guys to have a defense capable of winning a title when other teams seem to have a title quality defense without them?
It does. The fact the Dray has one DPOY and Gobert has 4 means the latter is the perennial one. Let's just say I disagree with that and am using my own DPOY rankings. You are free to disagree. Not trying to be snarky, just saying, to me (and to gsw, with the way they've been built) Dray is the perennial DPOY, not gobert or anyone else.
OKC had ~6 very good to great defenders. Boston has a lot. As does Min, Det, Cle, and Hou. GSW had 1.5 if you include the half season of wigs and jimmy. Not sure what tells you NYK was a top defensive team last season, I haven't seen those numbers. Unless you plan to completely transform the roster, trade dray, and bring in at least 3 defenders better than anyone we have now, I am not sure why you're barking up this tree.
As far as Steph is better on O than Dray is on D, that is debatable but it's not the one we're having. I'm saying our defense will go from 1st to bottom of the league (let's say bottom 10) if we move dray for a two way player like avdija. You countered by saying look at all of these defenses that don't have dray. Yes, you can build a top defense without dray but you'll need ~3 "very good to all nba level" defenders to do it, if you're using the examples provided (Dort, Caruso, Chet, Shai, Wallace, Hartenstein; Tatum, Brown, White, Hoford; Ant, Gobert, McD, Naw; Brooks, Amen, Eason; Mobley, Allen, Hunter). If we trade Dray, we'll 0 players like that. ZERO. If you want to say by "two way" you mean a player at a borderline all-nba defense level, sure, we'll have 1 of those, if we can trade dray for that. But the best defenses have at least 3, and no more than 1 player that is a large negative.
If you just want to root for the dubs, can't do it if Dray is here, and will be fine with the team taking a step back, that is absolutely reasonable. To deny that he is a special defensive force, even at this age, and that this team's defense would crater without him is not reasonable, at all.
