2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

[SA37]

Even today the Heat needs to find someone similar to Robinson that fits this team. One of the reasons this team offense sucked because no off ball movement, just players standing at the three point line. In the modern game offenses, screen setting and off ball movement is vital.

Players like Robinson won't make it in the league anymore. Players have improved their shooting massively in the last 5 seasons and you're getting more and more guys who can play both sides of the floor while still getting you ~36-40% 3-point shooting. Just think that guys like Westbrook, Gary Trent Jr, Eric Gordon, Alec Burks, Seth Curry...etc all played for the minimum this season.

My guess is Robinson will likely get deals over the next 2-3 seasons from contending teams -- especially 2nd apron teams -- that need depth and want a guy with elite shooting and playoff experience to be their Sam Hauser. Denver would be a great landing spot for him, for example.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[twix2500]

Even today the Heat needs to find someone similar to Robinson that fits this team. One of the reasons this team offense sucked because no off ball movement, just players standing at the three point line. In the modern game offenses, screen setting and off ball movement is vital.

Players like Robinson won't make it in the league anymore. Players have improved their shooting massively in the last 5 seasons and you're getting more and more guys who can play both sides of the floor while still getting you ~36-40% 3-point shooting. Just think that guys like Westbrook, Gary Trent Jr, Eric Gordon, Alec Burks, Seth Curry...etc all played for the minimum this season.

My guess is Robinson will likely get deals over the next 2-3 seasons from contending teams -- especially 2nd apron teams -- that need depth and want a guy with elite shooting and playoff experience to be their Sam Hauser. Denver would be a great landing spot for him, for example.

Its all about fit with Robinson. Draymond wouldnt been the player on other teams in his era. You are looking at other teams schemes. Its about how Robinson fit with Bam and Butler just like Draymone fit with Curry and Klay. Boston build its based off of Brown and Tatum. Your role players are relative to your stars and system.

And Duncan is getting up there in that age where teams dont give big contracts to role players. That reoccuring back issue is gonna hurt him contract wise

[EMC5466]

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[twix2500]

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Is the Derozan trade to Miami coming before; during, or after the draft?

They need to trade Wiggins. 5reason mentioned about a week ago or so, that there was a schism between Wiggins and Spo before the playoffs and it continued into the playoffs.

[twix2500]

Wiggins and Slo Mo for DeRozan and Big Jo works and likely a better fit for both teams.

[SA37]

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Is the Derozan trade to Miami coming before; during, or after the draft?

Miami has been after DeRozan for a long time. I'm not against Miami acquiring him, but DeRozan/Herro isn't going to be any more effective than DeRozan/LaVine has been.

[Vertical Limit]

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Durant reportedly wants only a “win-now” situation and Miami, Philadelphia, and even OKC are said to be among the potential suitors.

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That Stephen A take is so lame. Does he forget that Pat acquired Bron and Bosh for less than chocolate chip cookies? And that Pat’s legacy was already cemented before he even acquired them?

FOH with these trash takes.

SAS is a clown times a million… his legacy is damn near 60 years now and he goes to that cookie bull?

So if pat riley god forbid does not wake up tomorrow, espn is going to run the cookie story.. got it

[twix2500]

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Is the Derozan trade to Miami coming before; during, or after the draft?

Miami has been after DeRozan for a long time. I'm not against Miami acquiring him, but DeRozan/Herro isn't going to be any more effective than DeRozan/LaVine has been.

Its that partual gaurantee in his contract. His fit is not good here what so ever. Personally I would be looking at Herb Jones. He desperatelly need to make a 2 for 1 trade.

[Wiltside]

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“When the season ended, I took some time away just to decompress, gather my thoughts, really get to a place of peace,” Jaquez, 24, said. “Now I’m full steam ahead. I’ve been in the gym every single day, working on my mind, body, spirit, my jump shot, defense. Really just getting my body and mind in tune to get ready for this next season.”

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article308267200.html#storylink=cpy

Hope he took that penecillin to clear the Winslowitis infection he had all season

Still got some Jaime Stock!

That Jaime stock took a beating in year 2. Perhaps he can resurrect it. He shouldn't be above Summer League though after the year he just had.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Is the Derozan trade to Miami coming before; during, or after the draft?

They need to trade Wiggins. 5reason mentioned about a week ago or so, that there was a schism between Wiggins and Spo before the playoffs and it continued into the playoffs.

5reasons has no sources but was he mad he was our 2nd option and not the 1st?

[twix2500]

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Is the Derozan trade to Miami coming before; during, or after the draft?

They need to trade Wiggins. 5reason mentioned about a week ago or so, that there was a schism between Wiggins and Spo before the playoffs and it continued into the playoffs.

5reasons has no sources but was he mad he was our 2nd option and not the 1st?

idk, but he sure did quit in the playoffs.

[Beenie]

Dont see Mitchell as appreciably better than someone like Kris Dunn and Dunn is making between 5-6m per.

If he can be retained under 10m per then I'd be fine with that.

Anything more is an overpay.

[batterybro42]

Even today the Heat needs to find someone similar to Robinson that fits this team. One of the reasons this team offense sucked because no off ball movement, just players standing at the three point line. In the modern game offenses, screen setting and off ball movement is vital.

Players like Robinson won't make it in the league anymore. Players have improved their shooting massively in the last 5 seasons and you're getting more and more guys who can play both sides of the floor while still getting you ~36-40% 3-point shooting. Just think that guys like Westbrook, Gary Trent Jr, Eric Gordon, Alec Burks, Seth Curry...etc all played for the minimum this season.

My guess is Robinson will likely get deals over the next 2-3 seasons from contending teams -- especially 2nd apron teams -- that need depth and want a guy with elite shooting and playoff experience to be their Sam Hauser. Denver would be a great landing spot for him, for example.

I don’t think it’s a bad deal to just let Duncan’s deal ride out and then re sign him for the minimum. He’s 31 years old has a ton of experience in the system. The time to get rid of him was years ago, I’d have little issue with having Duncan back on an appropriate contract.

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Hope he took that penecillin to clear the Winslowitis infection he had all season

Still got some Jaime Stock!

That Jaime stock took a beating in year 2. Perhaps he can resurrect it. He shouldn't be above Summer League though after the year he just had.

Jamie is a player who needs much higher usage to be effective, the issue is he can’t shoot open 3s

[SA37]

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Is the Derozan trade to Miami coming before; during, or after the draft?

Miami has been after DeRozan for a long time. I'm not against Miami acquiring him, but DeRozan/Herro isn't going to be any more effective than DeRozan/LaVine has been.

Its that partual gaurantee in his contract. His fit is not good here what so ever. Personally I would be looking at Herb Jones. He desperatelly need to make a 2 for 1 trade.

I like the idea of acquiring DeRozan because Miami really lacks guys who can get their own shot outside of Herro. DeRozan is one of the best scorers in the league, so I do think he has a skillset that helps Miami.

Of course, DeRozan has his weaknesses and his flaws, but I think Miami gets better if the deal is something like DeRozan for Rozier and Jaquez or something along those lines.

[SA37]

Even today the Heat needs to find someone similar to Robinson that fits this team. One of the reasons this team offense sucked because no off ball movement, just players standing at the three point line. In the modern game offenses, screen setting and off ball movement is vital.

Players like Robinson won't make it in the league anymore. Players have improved their shooting massively in the last 5 seasons and you're getting more and more guys who can play both sides of the floor while still getting you ~36-40% 3-point shooting. Just think that guys like Westbrook, Gary Trent Jr, Eric Gordon, Alec Burks, Seth Curry...etc all played for the minimum this season.

My guess is Robinson will likely get deals over the next 2-3 seasons from contending teams -- especially 2nd apron teams -- that need depth and want a guy with elite shooting and playoff experience to be their Sam Hauser. Denver would be a great landing spot for him, for example.

I don’t think it’s a bad deal to just let Duncan’s deal ride out and then re sign him for the minimum. He’s 31 years old has a ton of experience in the system. The time to get rid of him was years ago, I’d have little issue with having Duncan back on an appropriate contract.

That is certainly a possibility, but if Miami is going to make a trade, Robinson's contract can potentially be what gets a team under one of the aprons. If Robinson couldn't be cut for ~$10M, he'd be a much less attractive trade piece.

[MettaWorldPanda]

One reporter Brett Siegal who’s a nobody said we could have interest in DeRozan and a good chunk of the fan base has taken it and run with it to absurd levels. DeRozan had friendships with Lowry and Butler so previous interest made sense. Some have turned so desperate that you're trying to wishcast something that makes absolute zero sense basketball wise. Put Ware, Bam, and DeRozan together? Really that’s what we are hoping happens? DeRozan and Herro defensively? Comical. Even with the partial guarantee which is still bloated i might add it still makes no sense. I’d rather start Jaime Jaquez Jr all year.

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Is the Derozan trade to Miami coming before; during, or after the draft?

Miami has been after DeRozan for a long time. I'm not against Miami acquiring him, but DeRozan/Herro isn't going to be any more effective than DeRozan/LaVine has been.

'On court' is a lot different than 'on paper'. Neither Derozan nor Lavine have been coached by Erik Spoelstra (although Demar has had a great coach in Popovich in the past).

It's not Derozan / Herro vs. Derozan / Lavine.

[SA37]

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Is the Derozan trade to Miami coming before; during, or after the draft?

Miami has been after DeRozan for a long time. I'm not against Miami acquiring him, but DeRozan/Herro isn't going to be any more effective than DeRozan/LaVine has been.

'On court' is a lot different than 'on paper'. Neither Derozan nor Lavine have been coached by Erik Spoelstra (although Demar has had a great coach in Popovich in the past).

It's not Derozan / Herro vs. Derozan / Lavine.

I just don't think the structural issues go away, which is both DeRozan and Herro are not known for their defense. That said, Miami has played Herro and Robinson together, so.

As I said before, I think a DeRozan for Rozier + Jaquez trade or something similar makes Miami better because DeRozan has skills Miami lacks beyond Herro which is getting his own shot and scoring the ball. He's also very good at getting to the line, something no one on Miami is good at.