Official Brandon Ingram Thread

[tsherkin]

Might be a little early to give up on Dick. He's a tough shot maker. That is an incredibly valuable skillset.

I'm waiting to see that showing up. He's made some tough shots here and there, but on the season, even lightly-contested shots were considerably less effective for him. He's another guy who I'd love to have a couple months to see what he's bringing next year, but he's almost all potential right now.

[Tacoma]

People are sleeping on how much he's going to change our team.

No one has any reservations on his potential to help the team, the issue as always is, are we going to get more than 60 games out of him. Hard to change the team from the IR.

That's fair.

I just think our medical staff is better than any he's had before. And having a long offseason like he's had gives him lots of time to be fully healthy. As long as we get 65 games and have him healthy for playoffs that is a win in my books.

It's not just @NOP that BI has been constantly injured. In his last 2 seasons with LAL, he played in only 59 & 52 games. Also, how good is our medical staff when we've had so many injuries this past season? Of all teams, the Raptors were among the highest in players missing games.

On the upside, when he plays his 1st game with us, BI will have had more rest than he's ever had to recover from injury. Hopefully, this also helps him recover from all sorts of other nagging injuries. One thing for sure is he's going to be load managed like we've never done since Kawhi.

[ArthurVandelay]

No one has any reservations on his potential to help the team, the issue as always is, are we going to get more than 60 games out of him. Hard to change the team from the IR.

That's fair.

I just think our medical staff is better than any he's had before. And having a long offseason like he's had gives him lots of time to be fully healthy. As long as we get 65 games and have him healthy for playoffs that is a win in my books.

It's not just @NOP that BI has been constantly injured. In his last 2 seasons with LAL, he played in only 59 & 52 games. Also, how good is our medical staff when we've had so many injuries this past season? Of all teams, the Raptors were among the highest in players missing games.

On the upside, when he plays his 1st game with us, BI will have had more rest than he's ever had to recover from injury. Hopefully, this also helps him recover from all sorts of other nagging injuries. One thing for sure is he's going to be load managed like we've never done since Kawhi.

I’m not questioning your concerns on BI. They are legit.

But regarding the Raptors this past season, they had “injuries” for the most part.

[GLF]

No one has any reservations on his potential to help the team, the issue as always is, are we going to get more than 60 games out of him. Hard to change the team from the IR.

That's fair.

I just think our medical staff is better than any he's had before. And having a long offseason like he's had gives him lots of time to be fully healthy. As long as we get 65 games and have him healthy for playoffs that is a win in my books.

It's not just @NOP that BI has been constantly injured. In his last 2 seasons with LAL, he played in only 59 & 52 games. Also, how good is our medical staff when we've had so many injuries this past season? Of all teams, the Raptors were among the highest in players missing games.

On the upside, when he plays his 1st game with us, BI will have had more rest than he's ever had to recover from injury. Hopefully, this also helps him recover from all sorts of other nagging injuries. One thing for sure is he's going to be load managed like we've never done since Kawhi.

I believe one of this “injuries” with Lakers was actually medical and it was blood clots. So one of those seasons wasn’t like a normal injury

[Scase]

People are sleeping on how much he's going to change our team.

No one has any reservations on his potential to help the team, the issue as always is, are we going to get more than 60 games out of him. Hard to change the team from the IR.

That's fair.

I just think our medical staff is better than any he's had before. And having a long offseason like he's had gives him lots of time to be fully healthy. As long as we get 65 games and have him healthy for playoffs that is a win in my books.

If our medical staff was so exceptional, we'd have had much better injury luck the last 2 seasons. I think our medical team is way overhyped, BI has been crazy injured for 8 years straight, sometimes dudes bodies are just broken. Kawhi is a great example, and as much as load management helped him for sure, that team could afford to lose Kawhi for 20+ games, this team cannot afford the same with BI.

Hopefully the long break from playing helped, but if this is some long term issue, or some degenerative issue, no rest is helping that.

[earthtone]

No one has any reservations on his potential to help the team, the issue as always is, are we going to get more than 60 games out of him. Hard to change the team from the IR.

That's fair.

I just think our medical staff is better than any he's had before. And having a long offseason like he's had gives him lots of time to be fully healthy. As long as we get 65 games and have him healthy for playoffs that is a win in my books.

If our medical staff was so exceptional, we'd have had much better injury luck the last 2 seasons. I think our medical team is way overhyped, BI has been crazy injured for 8 years straight, sometimes dudes bodies are just broken. Kawhi is a great example, and as much as load management helped him for sure, that team could afford to lose Kawhi for 20+ games, this team cannot afford the same with BI.

Hopefully the long break from playing helped, but if this is some long term issue, or some degenerative issue, no rest is helping that.

The people who advocated for the team to fake/embellish injuries in order to help the tank are the same most eager to hold Games Played against players and the franchise.

[tsherkin]

The people who advocated for the team to fake/embellish injuries in order to help the tank are the same most eager to hold Games Played against players and the franchise.

It's a fair point.

We have definitely sat some non-Scottie players when we didn't have to, right? But Scottie's been injured as hell anyway and other guys have had various issues, so I don't know that we stand as any kind of outlier in terms of medical staff either.

We can hope, because it's the offseason and it's the time for reckless optimism for sure, but were I a betting man, I wouldn't be laying odds that we will enjoy above-average health. I'd love to be wrong, though!

[LoveMyRaps]

That's fair.

I just think our medical staff is better than any he's had before. And having a long offseason like he's had gives him lots of time to be fully healthy. As long as we get 65 games and have him healthy for playoffs that is a win in my books.

If our medical staff was so exceptional, we'd have had much better injury luck the last 2 seasons. I think our medical team is way overhyped, BI has been crazy injured for 8 years straight, sometimes dudes bodies are just broken. Kawhi is a great example, and as much as load management helped him for sure, that team could afford to lose Kawhi for 20+ games, this team cannot afford the same with BI.

Hopefully the long break from playing helped, but if this is some long term issue, or some degenerative issue, no rest is helping that.

The people who advocated for the team to fake/embellish injuries in order to help the tank are the same most eager to hold Games Played against players and the franchise.

LMAOOO can't make this stuff up.

[Scase]

That's fair.

I just think our medical staff is better than any he's had before. And having a long offseason like he's had gives him lots of time to be fully healthy. As long as we get 65 games and have him healthy for playoffs that is a win in my books.

If our medical staff was so exceptional, we'd have had much better injury luck the last 2 seasons. I think our medical team is way overhyped, BI has been crazy injured for 8 years straight, sometimes dudes bodies are just broken. Kawhi is a great example, and as much as load management helped him for sure, that team could afford to lose Kawhi for 20+ games, this team cannot afford the same with BI.

Hopefully the long break from playing helped, but if this is some long term issue, or some degenerative issue, no rest is helping that.

The people who advocated for the team to fake/embellish injuries in order to help the tank are the same most eager to hold Games Played against players and the franchise.

Oh look you have a convenient excuse as well, oh no guys, they aren't actually injury prone and our medical staff is top notch these weren't "real injuries". Same people that said we aren't tanking, we were just unlucky with injuries.

See how stupid of an argument that is? Go on and prove they were fake injuries, I'll wait.

We can also talk about how exceptional the medical staff is when Scottie was playing obviously injured last year, just to hit 65 games. Sure sounds like a top notch medical staff right?

[earthtone]

If our medical staff was so exceptional, we'd have had much better injury luck the last 2 seasons. I think our medical team is way overhyped, BI has been crazy injured for 8 years straight, sometimes dudes bodies are just broken. Kawhi is a great example, and as much as load management helped him for sure, that team could afford to lose Kawhi for 20+ games, this team cannot afford the same with BI.

Hopefully the long break from playing helped, but if this is some long term issue, or some degenerative issue, no rest is helping that.

The people who advocated for the team to fake/embellish injuries in order to help the tank are the same most eager to hold Games Played against players and the franchise.

Oh look you have a convenient excuse as well, oh no guys, they aren't actually injury prone and our medical staff is top notch these weren't "real injuries". Same people that said we aren't tanking, we were just unlucky with injuries.

See how stupid of an argument that is? Go on and prove they were fake injuries, I'll wait.

We can also talk about how exceptional the medical staff is when Scottie was playing obviously injured last year, just to hit 65 games. Sure sounds like a top notch medical staff right?

You were in this thread and others saying you’ll view the trade more positively if the Raptors sit out Ingram and don’t bring him back for the stretch run.

The Raptors use the tanking methods you wanted by sitting Ingram out for the entire season, being overly-cautious with injured players and resting healthy players, but now that’s a sign the medical staff is bad?

Not gonna pretend like any of us are experts on the nuances of NBA medical teams, but there’s a 100% chance we have a better staff than the Pelicans who are notoriously one of the cheapest organizations in the league & didn’t have a PT on staff until 2023.

[ArthurVandelay]

All these points can be true:

- raptors have injury prone players
- raptors have a great medical staff
- raptors sat guys last year who could have played of wins was the #1 priority

[Scase]

The people who advocated for the team to fake/embellish injuries in order to help the tank are the same most eager to hold Games Played against players and the franchise.

Oh look you have a convenient excuse as well, oh no guys, they aren't actually injury prone and our medical staff is top notch these weren't "real injuries". Same people that said we aren't tanking, we were just unlucky with injuries.

See how stupid of an argument that is? Go on and prove they were fake injuries, I'll wait.

We can also talk about how exceptional the medical staff is when Scottie was playing obviously injured last year, just to hit 65 games. Sure sounds like a top notch medical staff right?

You were in this thread and others saying you’ll view the trade more positively if the Raptors sit out Ingram and don’t bring him back for the stretch run.

The Raptors use the tanking methods you wanted by sitting Ingram out for the entire season, being overly-cautious with injured players and resting healthy players, but now that’s a sign the medical staff is bad?

Not gonna pretend like any of us are experts on the nuances of NBA medical teams, but there’s a 100% chance we have a better staff than the Pelicans who are notoriously one of the cheapest organizations in the league & didn’t have a PT on staff until 2023.

Yeah, and that would make sense if BI was the only one who was out, not the other guys who missed 30-50 games each, but I guess only BI matters? Dudes been excessively injured for 8 years straight, our medical staff are not magicians. Until BI puts together 3 seasons in a row of 70 games, he's gonna be considered injury prone.

We're not discussing the trade, we're discussing him being injury prone, and no level of optimism or imagination is going to change 8 years of evidence.

[tsherkin]

All these points can be true:

- raptors have injury prone players
- raptors have a great medical staff
- raptors sat guys last year who could have played of wins was the #1 priority

This is true enough.

There are concerns for several of these guys. There was also tank-sitting. So we're left with more wait-and-see, which is most of what we have at the moment, heheh.

[pingpongrac]

No one has any reservations on his potential to help the team, the issue as always is, are we going to get more than 60 games out of him. Hard to change the team from the IR.

That's fair.

I just think our medical staff is better than any he's had before. And having a long offseason like he's had gives him lots of time to be fully healthy. As long as we get 65 games and have him healthy for playoffs that is a win in my books.

If our medical staff was so exceptional, we'd have had much better injury luck the last 2 seasons. I think our medical team is way overhyped, BI has been crazy injured for 8 years straight, sometimes dudes bodies are just broken. Kawhi is a great example, and as much as load management helped him for sure, that team could afford to lose Kawhi for 20+ games, this team cannot afford the same with BI.

Hopefully the long break from playing helped, but if this is some long term issue, or some degenerative issue, no rest is helping that.

Poeltl, Barrett and Quickley all missed double-digit games post-ASG that were essentially "injury management" as they'd play a game or two then sit out a game and repeat the process. With the exception of Quickley (who missed most of the first half of the season), Barrett and Poeltl were generally available and on pace to play ~70 games if not for blatant tanking while Scottie also played just under 70 games. Barring any freak injuries, I'd be surprised if any of those guys miss 25+ games again this season. Getting Ingram for 50-60 games during the regular season would be fine. Obviously it would be nice to see him play more, but he is probably going to be carefully managed and rested so he's fully available for a potential playoff run.

[MEDIC]

After seeing what the Magic gave up for Bane, it looks like Masai completely stole Ingram from the Pels.

[tsherkin]

After seeing what the Magic gave up for Bane, it looks like Masai completely stole Ingram from the Pels.

That was a surprising haul.

[LoveMyRaps]

After seeing what the Magic gave up for Bane, it looks like Masai completely stole Ingram from the Pels.

Watch on YouTube

[Scase]

After seeing what the Magic gave up for Bane, it looks like Masai completely stole Ingram from the Pels.

One was an expiring, the other has 4 years on his deal. This isn't a complex concept.

[OakleyDokely]

The Ingram and Siakam trades are more comparable. Expiring guys traded as rentals. Ingram has more injury concerns than Siakam so he went for less. KD should be similar to the Ingram/Siakam packages, just with an added bump given his skill level, history and name value.

Bane is 26 and locked in on a long term deal. He was always going to get more than a rental like Siakam or Ingram. MEM had no pressure to deal him now unless their demands were met.

[DreamTeam09]

According to Blake Murphy, Ingram passed the ball on 40% of his drives, which is near the top of the league apparently, RJ Barrett was also in similar territory. So we have two players who can drive & dish, drive and attack.
Ingrams one pass away #s were good apparently as well