Shams: Grizzlies trade Desmond Bane to Magic for KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 1sts, 1 Pick Swap...

[sackings916]

They coulda gotten a player just as good as Bane with just one of those picks prolly to tell you the truth..

Really how?

[3ddman23]

Y'all need a new head coach anyways lol

Ya don't trade 5 first rounders for Bane to be misused.

It's 4... 4 first round picks and a swap. Why do people keep saying 5. They still have a first in 2029.

It's 5 picks being traded, you have no control over the swap. The pick was traded, you just get the worse of the 2, doesn't mean ya didn't trade the rights to it.

But they still have a first round pick. I'm not losing sleep over getting pick 23 instead of pick 17. Lol come on now

[metalinguss]

Wow the Magic just went from a 1st round exit, to a 7 game 1st round exit.

[infinite11285]

That’s the kind of haul you'd expect for two Desmond Banes’.

[JujitsuFlip]

This assumes the Magic will always be healthy and always make the playoffs. Look what happened to Philadelphia this year. Now, Philly didn't owe their pick to anyone, but with a bit of bad luck, the Magic could end up handing over a lottery pick. Is that likely? No.

Part of the thing with dealing for draft picks is not just for who or where you might Draft, but it can also be packaged in later trades. If you have a good developmental program like OKC, San Antonio, or Miami, you can get A LOT of value from mid-late 1sts.

The other point I'd make is Memphis is not a FA destination, so the Draft is the most likely place they can acquire talent.

It also leaves at the fact that once you commit to a core, you have to start paying your core big money. With the cap apron the way it is, the only way to add players for cheap is either via the draft or vet min signings. So Orlando loses their ability to add players via the draft, and no one particularly wants to sign there.

We still have a FRP pick this year, one in 2027, and one in 2029 over the next 5 drafts. It’s not that dire.

Due to the Stepien rule you all can't trade your 1sts any more though, that is where trades like this handicap you. They remove all future flexibility.

[DaGawd]

the mikal trade didn’t even include an actual nba player

[jehosafats]

Wow, that reeks for Orlando. Giving up everything for Desmond Bane? Yikes.

[thelead]

It also leaves at the fact that once you commit to a core, you have to start paying your core big money. With the cap apron the way it is, the only way to add players for cheap is either via the draft or vet min signings. So Orlando loses their ability to add players via the draft, and no one particularly wants to sign there.

We still have a FRP pick this year, one in 2027, and one in 2029 over the next 5 drafts. It’s not that dire.

Due to the Stepien rule you all can't trade your 1sts any more though, that is where trades like this handicap you. They remove all future flexibility.

Sure but my response was to the supposed idea that the magic no longer could add cheaper players via the draft. That is false.

[thelead]

the mikal trade didn’t even include an actual nba player

Neither did this trade if you watched this season…

[JujitsuFlip]

It's 4... 4 first round picks and a swap. Why do people keep saying 5. They still have a first in 2029.

It's 5 picks being traded, you have no control over the swap. The pick was traded, you just get the worse of the 2, doesn't mean ya didn't trade the rights to it.

But they still have a first round pick. I'm not losing sleep over getting pick 23 instead of pick 17. Lol come on now

You might lose sleep over getting #1 vs #23 though lol

[zero rings]

I like Bane, but this is a big overpay for a team that isn't that close to contending. You need a superstar already on the roster to justify an all-in trade like this.

I'm not convinced Paolo is that guy.

[dkb964]

Even with the multiple pick price, I’m still 100% sold on this from an Orlando POV. An area we are in absolutely desperate need of, whilst keeping hold of our core 3 guys, and still having picks to utilize in the future.

Four firsts on the basis seems a lot, but one of them is our pick in this years draft, which we would otherwise presumably be using on a guy who isn't going to be seeing much time on the floor, and 2 of them are in 2028/2030 where we would still (hypothetically) have Franz/Paolo playing at a super high level.

Completely understand as to why some may balk at the “four firsts” headline but I think this is an excellent move. Maybe I’m just delighted that we finally made a trade. Who knows?

You failed to metion that one of the picks is the Suns 2026 1st that could be number one overall potentialy. It is a great fit for the Magic and they got what they needed but this was a clear overpay. A core four of Pablo/Franz/Suggs/Bane in the east is very interesting though.

[EricAnderson]

Depends on the Phoenix pick. Orlando is banking on them being in the playoffs for the next five years. Lower 20's picks for a guy whose shooting and secondary playmaking was obviously missing on Orlando's offense.

It's a tie for now. Let's re-visit in a couple years after the picks start to come to fruition.

Yeah the picks probably won’t be great.

The argument would be that when you give up that many unprotected picks it should be for a star

[3ddman23]

It's 5 picks being traded, you have no control over the swap. The pick was traded, you just get the worse of the 2, doesn't mean ya didn't trade the rights to it.

But they still have a first round pick. I'm not losing sleep over getting pick 23 instead of pick 17. Lol come on now

You might lose sleep over getting #1 vs #23 though lol

Yea I would love to see the day that actually happens in 2029.

[3ddman23]

I like Bane, but this is a big overpay for a team that isn't that close to contending. You need a superstar already on the roster to justify an all-in trade like this.

I'm not convinced Paolo is that guy.

The pacers didn't have a superstar when they traded for siakim and here they are in the NBA finals tied 2-2.

[MrBigShot]

Bane is a really good player, but 4 unprotected 1sts + a swap is a HUGE price for that caliber of player. If they had been a bit more patient with those assets, there's no way that they wouldn't have been able to flip those into a better player than Bane.

[cupcakesnake]

Don't Magic need a PG facilitator? Wouldn't they need 1sts to get one?

Tripling down on not having one?

Guess they are not done...

I do think they want the ball in the hands of Paolo and Franz as much as possible. Both have flashed some intriguing ability to make passing reads off the dribble. I'm not surprised the upgrade they wanted more is an aggressive off-ball shooter.

The shooting struggles of their star wings, particularly the strange decline by Franz, makes it all the more important to surround them with shooting but also keep them driving with the ball as much as possible. I don't think they'll go after a starting point guard. I think Suggs/Bane/Franz/Paolo are going to start with a big.

[mg]

This assumes the Magic will always be healthy and always make the playoffs. Look what happened to Philadelphia this year. Now, Philly didn't owe their pick to anyone, but with a bit of bad luck, the Magic could end up handing over a lottery pick. Is that likely? No.

Part of the thing with dealing for draft picks is not just for who or where you might Draft, but it can also be packaged in later trades. If you have a good developmental program like OKC, San Antonio, or Miami, you can get A LOT of value from mid-late 1sts.

The other point I'd make is Memphis is not a FA destination, so the Draft is the most likely place they can acquire talent.

It also leaves at the fact that once you commit to a core, you have to start paying your core big money. With the cap apron the way it is, the only way to add players for cheap is either via the draft or vet min signings. So Orlando loses their ability to add players via the draft, and no one particularly wants to sign there.

We still have a FRP pick this year, one in 2027, and one in 2029 over the next 5 drafts. It’s not that dire.

Cavs fans were saying the same thing when they dealt so many assets for Mitchell, a better player than Bane. They are no doubt a good RS team but they can't get out of the 2nd round in the EC. Meanwhile they are handcuffed by the 2nd apron and a lack of draft picks.

[mdonnelly1989]

I absolutely love it.

With Banchero, Wagner and now Desmond they have a LEGIT Big 3

They were already one of the best defensive teams in the league and now add more offensive firepower.

They are now in this discussion

Pacers, Knicks, Cavs, Celtics. They are a top 5 team in the league.

[thelead]

It also leaves at the fact that once you commit to a core, you have to start paying your core big money. With the cap apron the way it is, the only way to add players for cheap is either via the draft or vet min signings. So Orlando loses their ability to add players via the draft, and no one particularly wants to sign there.

We still have a FRP pick this year, one in 2027, and one in 2029 over the next 5 drafts. It’s not that dire.

Cavs fans were saying the same thing when they dealt so many assets for Mitchell, a better player than Bane. They are no doubt a good RS team but they can't get out of the 2nd round in the EC. Meanwhile they are handcuffed by the 2nd apron and a lack of draft picks.

Cavs bigger issue is their contracts… but they can still make moves by trading Garland or Allen if they want to.