Shams: Grizzlies trade Desmond Bane to Magic for KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 1sts, 1 Pick Swap...

[WuTang_CMB]

Magic need shooting and playmaking but man that's a big price tag. MEM did well getting ahead of this and selling at peak.

If I was PHX i would sell Booker right now

[cupcakesnake]

Orlando upgrading their shooting should be transformative. The fit with Bane should be immaculate. They still need a little more than Bane to have enough shooting in all their big minute lineups. One guy can't fix it all by himself, but Bane is a huge piece of this puzzle. Hopefully Tristan Da Silva can take another step or some like Jett Howard and Caleb Houstan can become a rotation player.

It was just such a glaring hole that was holding them back from doing anything on offense. Franz and Paolo should automatically become more efficient driving scorers and playmakers when paired with spacing.

I'm wondering if they feel WCJ is their long term center. I really like him. Underrated defender with good versatility. The shot hasn't come around though and that's a big problem on this team still.

[KokoKaizer]

Even with the multiple pick price, I’m still 100% sold on this from an Orlando POV. An area we are in absolutely desperate need of, whilst keeping hold of our core 3 guys, and still having picks to utilize in the future.

Four firsts on the basis seems a lot, but one of them is our pick in this years draft, which we would otherwise presumably be using on a guy who isn't going to be seeing much time on the floor, and 2 of them are in 2028/2030 where we would still (hypothetically) have Franz/Paolo playing at a super high level.

Completely understand as to why some may balk at the “four firsts” headline but I think this is an excellent move. Maybe I’m just delighted that we finally made a trade. Who knows?

You failed to metion that one of the picks is the Suns 2026 1st that could be number one overall potentialy. It is a great fit for the Magic and they got what they needed but this was a clear overpay. A core four of Pablo/Franz/Suggs/Bane in the east is very interesting though.

And yet, It will be Wizards pick...

[DusterBuster]

Magic need shooting and playmaking but man that's a big price tag. MEM did well getting ahead of this and selling at peak.

If I was PHX i would sell Booker right now

Yeah, it’s a sellers market right now, if I had a team that has topped out / burned out with a star in or near 30, I would be closing out.

[Johnny Tomala]

Booker should be worth 6 first round picks if Bane is worth 4. Suns won't trade Booker and they shouldn't.

[Duke4life831]

I will say this, obviously my first reaction to this was “massive overpay”. Even though I think Bane is a perfect fit and exactly what they need.

But with that said, these kinds of trades don’t go as south as often as we believe. Ya there is the obvious Nets fiasco.

But we have the Wolves trading for Rudy and going to back 2 back WCFs. I don’t think many Cavs fans are upset about the Mitchell trade at this point. Knicks gave up a lot of picks for Bridges. Pacers gave up a ton for Siakam.

Is it an overpay? For sure. If Bane works out (similar stats and impact as the last 4 seasons). Those draft picks end up being non lotto picks. Plus it’s not like ORL’s front office has been killing it with these non top 10 picks.

[Knicks365247]

Booker should be worth 6 first round picks if Bane is worth 4. Suns won't trade Booker and they shouldn't.

You’d think Booker played for Michigan State with the level of untouchable he is for Mat Ishbia.

[3ddman23]

You're not looking at future 1sts as what they are, which is basically currency. They might be overvalued but they're a major component of the packages that land stars. We have plenty of examples of both successes and failures with these all-in trades, but making one for a player like Bane could be a huge mistake on the basis that a much better player could become available.

Example: maybe mid-season Giannis does indeed ask for a trade, and a package around Wagner + 4 picks is able to land him, especially if Phoenix is having a really bad season. Maybe Booker becomes available next summer, and I don't think there will be a great market for him. Maybe the Sixers decide to go full rebuild and look to trade Maxey in a year. And if they decide to hold off and Memphis trades Bane elsewhere, the opportunity to trade for a player of his caliber is always going to be there with a package like that.

Or maybe none of these things happen and what, the Magic are just forced to ride the treadmill? Like, if Bane is available and fits your needs, you can’t just say “Well, this might happen later on, so we’re not gonna bother.” Like, how can you plan your team building around a potential player maybe asking out in the future? It doesn’t seem Giannis is going to be traded, what if the Pacers, thinking Giannis was gonna ask out, hoarded their picks and didn’t trade for Siakam last year?
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I mean, if the player is available, you can’t really say in the moment “well, this might happen in the future, so we can’t consider it.” You just have to consider how it improves the team in the moment now, how many assets you’re giving up, and the offer you can make, etc. But you can’t just based your entire thinking on things that might happen later on. Especially when of all the things you listed, none of those things could happen. Ar ethe Magic just supposed to tank for 2 years waiting for some of these things to potentially never come?

As a general rule well yeah, you can't always just hold off in case something better comes along. But when you're talking abouut three unprotected picks and a swap for a non- or borderline All-star, even if he fits well, then yes holding off can very well be the best option. I don't think there's a world where Orlando winds up seriously regretting not trading for Bane, but there's a lot of potential for them to regret making the trade. And the upside isn't high enough. They're not going to be contenders.

The magic will absolutely be contenders. Especially in a weak east next season. It's all about health. If the magic stay healthy they are just as good as any team in the east. With potential to be even better cause they have extremely young stars players that can become even better

The magic have played the pacers & Knicks very well over the last few season. The cavs were taken to 7 games by an inferior roster and younger magic team. Boston will not be the same. Philly & Milwaukee are extreme questions marks. The heat (even with kd) aren't considered serious contenders. The magic are right there in contention. Don't let the youth fool you.

[sackings916]

Really how?

By making a good pick maybe.. guy doesn’t read much I bet

The chances of that is extremely low

[wco81]

4 unprotected is a lot tbh. But I love Bane for us. I still think we can get a cheap PG to set the table.

Are Magic fans not questioning this GM?

Even before this deal, I don't know about this guy.


If this trade doesn't lead to at least ECF appearance, he may not be able to keep his job.

[MavsDirk41]

Huge overpay by Orlando. I like the aggressiveness but geezzzz….

[wco81]

I will say this, obviously my first reaction to this was “massive overpay”. Even though I think Bane is a perfect fit and exactly what they need.

But with that said, these kinds of trades don’t go as south as often as we believe. Ya there is the obvious Nets fiasco.

But we have the Wolves trading for Rudy and going to back 2 back WCFs. I don’t think many Cavs fans are upset about the Mitchell trade at this point. Knicks gave up a lot of picks for Bridges. Pacers gave up a ton for Siakam.

Is it an overpay? For sure. If Bane works out (similar stats and impact as the last 4 seasons). Those draft picks end up being non lotto picks. Plus it’s not like ORL’s front office has been killing it with these non top 10 picks.

The Gobert trade still is bad.

He's one of the issues on the Wolves hitting that ceiling. Now they're trying to trade for KD. Probably have to send out Rudi.

Wolves did better with him out of the game in the playoffs.

[Iwasawitness]

Well, the first issue, before worrying about being exploited in the playoffs, is actually being a perennially playoff contender. Like, a lock for one of the top 6 seeds year in and year out. Worrying about being exposed in the playoffs isnt as big a problem for teams that are contending for the play-in most years like the Magic have, who are trying to take step 1. I mean, saying that this offense could get exposed in the playoffs is kinda putting the cart before the horse. The point is this trade actually attempts to accomplish the very first step, just making it in a high enough seed to actually do something.

And how isn’t this what Orlando needed? They needed a high volume 3 point shooter and spacing, this is a near 40% high volume 3 point shooter who is a high MPG starter that contributes in all areas. Who doesn’t need or want that player exactly? You ask who’s going to run the offense, they can try and work it with all 3 of Wagner, Banchero, and Bane. Sure, it’s not traditional like having one specific high volume guy like some teams have, but considering everything else Bane brings to the offense that they needed, trying it with those 3 first without a traditional PG/high volume creator is worth a shot just due to the overall spacing Bane can provide with the efficient passing he brings. Just because he Magic don’t do it like other teams doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

One three point shooting threat isn't going to solve Orlandos main issue, which is the lack of a point guard to run their offense. Getting a consistent three point threat isn't something you should be giving up four first round picks for. You should be using that on a superstar caliber player or someone that completes what you're missing. This isn't that.

D White 5.0 apg per 36 mpg
Jrue 4.5 apg per 36 mpg

Suggs 4.6 apg per 36 mpg
Bane 6.0 apg per 36 mpg


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I hope you understand why this is a terrible comparison.

[Bulliever2020]

I will say this, obviously my first reaction to this was “massive overpay”. Even though I think Bane is a perfect fit and exactly what they need.

But with that said, these kinds of trades don’t go as south as often as we believe. Ya there is the obvious Nets fiasco.

But we have the Wolves trading for Rudy and going to back 2 back WCFs. I don’t think many Cavs fans are upset about the Mitchell trade at this point. Knicks gave up a lot of picks for Bridges. Pacers gave up a ton for Siakam.

Is it an overpay? For sure. If Bane works out (similar stats and impact as the last 4 seasons). Those draft picks end up being non lotto picks. Plus it’s not like ORL’s front office has been killing it with these non top 10 picks.

The Gobert trade still is bad.

He's one of the issues on the Wolves hitting that ceiling. Now they're trying to trade for KD. Probably have to send out Rudi.

Wolves did better with him out of the game in the playoffs.

So strange when people just flat out lie.

Gobert was +59 in these year's playoffs

[Patsfan1081]

There is only one ball and Bane can’t create his own shot well enough to keep up those core numbers with better options. He solves their needs but I think they would have been better off spending less on solid rotational pieces. I won’t be surprised if Bane posts 15/6/3 next season on good efficiency.

[magee]

Yeah the picks probably won’t be great.

The argument would be that when you give up that many unprotected picks it should be for a star

I get that's the argument. Everyone's looking at the total picks. Especially after seeing how the Thunder built their team around it.

It's also hit and miss for Orlando's scouting department. Hits: Jalen Suggs, Anthony Black, Franz Wagner, Paolo Banchero. Misses: Jett Howard, Caleb Houstan, Chuma Okeke, Mo Bamba.

If I'm the Magic, looking at the track record of draft picks made and weight that out against draft pick success in the bottom third of the draft, they felt that trading for a sure-fire fix to their offensive weaknesses was a deal they had to make.

Bane's shooting splits are incredible. He'll give Wagner and Banchero, and even Black, space to drive and kick.

I might eat my words, but I just feel it's more of a win-win than people are giving the Magic for. Especially with Memphis' track record with their draft success.

[Ssj16]

Magic set the market. 3 unprotected picks and a swap for Desmond Bane is very rich. Idk what giannis will go for now

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If you think three unprotected firsts and a swap for Bane is a lot I can’t wait to hear your reaction when you find out it’s 4 unprotected firsts and a swap

Wait until you hear it's 4 unprotected, a swap, KCP and Cole Anthony

[Duke4life831]

I will say this, obviously my first reaction to this was “massive overpay”. Even though I think Bane is a perfect fit and exactly what they need.

But with that said, these kinds of trades don’t go as south as often as we believe. Ya there is the obvious Nets fiasco.

But we have the Wolves trading for Rudy and going to back 2 back WCFs. I don’t think many Cavs fans are upset about the Mitchell trade at this point. Knicks gave up a lot of picks for Bridges. Pacers gave up a ton for Siakam.

Is it an overpay? For sure. If Bane works out (similar stats and impact as the last 4 seasons). Those draft picks end up being non lotto picks. Plus it’s not like ORL’s front office has been killing it with these non top 10 picks.

The Gobert trade still is bad.

He's one of the issues on the Wolves hitting that ceiling. Now they're trying to trade for KD. Probably have to send out Rudi.

Wolves did better with him out of the game in the playoffs.

Rudy had an On/Off of +10 during the playoffs, 2nd best on the team. They’ve gone to back 2 back WCFs with Rudy, and their defense has been a big reason for that.

And who exactly have they missed out on from the draft picks so far?

I don’t see how you can view that trade as a bad trade 3 years in.

[Ccwatercraft]

Magic need shooting and playmaking but man that's a big price tag. MEM did well getting ahead of this and selling at peak.

If I was PHX i would sell Booker right now

Agree totally, especially on booker, but honestly I can't see anyone going that deep into debt for him.

Just because on team goes off the deep end doesn't mean others have to.

[wade44]

Hot take grizzlies become better from this trade