Shams: Grizzlies trade Desmond Bane to Magic for KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 1sts, 1 Pick Swap...

[NyKnicks1714]

Or maybe none of these things happen and what, the Magic are just forced to ride the treadmill? Like, if Bane is available and fits your needs, you can’t just say “Well, this might happen later on, so we’re not gonna bother.” Like, how can you plan your team building around a potential player maybe asking out in the future? It doesn’t seem Giannis is going to be traded, what if the Pacers, thinking Giannis was gonna ask out, hoarded their picks and didn’t trade for Siakam last year?
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I mean, if the player is available, you can’t really say in the moment “well, this might happen in the future, so we can’t consider it.” You just have to consider how it improves the team in the moment now, how many assets you’re giving up, and the offer you can make, etc. But you can’t just based your entire thinking on things that might happen later on. Especially when of all the things you listed, none of those things could happen. Ar ethe Magic just supposed to tank for 2 years waiting for some of these things to potentially never come?

As a general rule well yeah, you can't always just hold off in case something better comes along. But when you're talking abouut three unprotected picks and a swap for a non- or borderline All-star, even if he fits well, then yes holding off can very well be the best option. I don't think there's a world where Orlando winds up seriously regretting not trading for Bane, but there's a lot of potential for them to regret making the trade. And the upside isn't high enough. They're not going to be contenders.

The magic will absolutely be contenders. Especially in a weak east next season. It's all about health. If the magic stay healthy they are just as good as any team in the east. With potential to be even better cause they have extremely young stars players

The magic have played the pacers & Knicks very well over the last few season. The cavs were taken to 7 games by an inferior roster and younger magic team. Boston will not be the same. The magic are right there in contention. Don't let the youth fool you.

They are absolutely not a contender. Next year with Tatum out they can potentially get as far as the ECF, but that's going to be their ceiling and it won't be sustainable. The core of Banchero, Wagner, Bane, and Suggs is nice, but not a contending one, and it's going to be tough to makes moves around them. Come '26-'27 I think they'll pretty much have to be a 2nd apron team after Banchero's extension. I also don't think there will be a huge market for Wagner and/or Suggs with their contracts should the Magic decide they need to move one or both at some point in the next year or two.

And I don't even think this trade should be judged by whether or not it makes them a contender, because that's not the be-all and end-all, but I don't think it guarantees them real success beyond next season.

[ShootersShoot]

Bane is a scrub here according to people lol, the worst shooting team in the league def can't use 22/5/5 on 48/40/90 and volume

(not arguing the value, it's a LOT - just the perception of Bane changing suddenly.)

who in here is arguing he's a scrub?

Well some guy called him an average player and another compared him to malik beasley just in the first few pages

[SOUL]

I also don't think there will be a huge market for Wagner and/or Suggs with their contracts should the Magic decide they need to move one or both at some point in the next year or two.

Suggs made an All-Defensive team already and has a descending contract making less and less money each year, and Franz was literally a top 10 player in EPM before his injury and finished with 24/5/4 as a two-way wing who would've been an All-Star without his injury. And that's with his shot disappearing. Both 24 year olds entering primes.

Not that I anticipate them being moved in the next year or two, but...

[SlimShady83]

IT HAS BEGUN!

[3ddman23]

As a general rule well yeah, you can't always just hold off in case something better comes along. But when you're talking abouut three unprotected picks and a swap for a non- or borderline All-star, even if he fits well, then yes holding off can very well be the best option. I don't think there's a world where Orlando winds up seriously regretting not trading for Bane, but there's a lot of potential for them to regret making the trade. And the upside isn't high enough. They're not going to be contenders.

The magic will absolutely be contenders. Especially in a weak east next season. It's all about health. If the magic stay healthy they are just as good as any team in the east. With potential to be even better cause they have extremely young stars players

The magic have played the pacers & Knicks very well over the last few season. The cavs were taken to 7 games by an inferior roster and younger magic team. Boston will not be the same. The magic are right there in contention. Don't let the youth fool you.

They are absolutely not a contender. Next year with Tatum out they can potentially get as far as the ECF, but that's going to be their ceiling and it won't be sustainable. The core of Banchero, Wagner, Bane, and Suggs is nice, but not a contending one, and it's going to be tough to makes moves around them. Come '26-'27 I think they'll pretty much have to be a 2nd apron team after Banchero's extension. I also don't think there will be a huge market for Wagner and/or Suggs with their contracts should the Magic decide they need to move one or both at some point in the next year or two.

And I don't even think this trade should be judged by whether or not it makes them a contender, because that's not the be-all and end-all, but I don't think it guarantees them real success beyond next season.

If everything lines up they are wvery bit as good as Indiana, new York & maybe Cleveland. It's all about health. The magic don't fear anyone in the east. Trust me. The magic struggles have been with teams that aren't even contenders like Miami, Atlanta, Toronto,. Random teams like that. They have done really well vs the tops of the easy for a while now.

And the difference is the magic are still way younger then all those teams. They have a ton of room to not only contend now but continue to contend for many years.

[Patsfan1081]

Well, the first issue, before worrying about being exploited in the playoffs, is actually being a perennially playoff contender. Like, a lock for one of the top 6 seeds year in and year out. Worrying about being exposed in the playoffs isnt as big a problem for teams that are contending for the play-in most years like the Magic have, who are trying to take step 1. I mean, saying that this offense could get exposed in the playoffs is kinda putting the cart before the horse. The point is this trade actually attempts to accomplish the very first step, just making it in a high enough seed to actually do something.

And how isn’t this what Orlando needed? They needed a high volume 3 point shooter and spacing, this is a near 40% high volume 3 point shooter who is a high MPG starter that contributes in all areas. Who doesn’t need or want that player exactly? You ask who’s going to run the offense, they can try and work it with all 3 of Wagner, Banchero, and Bane. Sure, it’s not traditional like having one specific high volume guy like some teams have, but considering everything else Bane brings to the offense that they needed, trying it with those 3 first without a traditional PG/high volume creator is worth a shot just due to the overall spacing Bane can provide with the efficient passing he brings. Just because he Magic don’t do it like other teams doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

One three point shooting threat isn't going to solve Orlandos main issue, which is the lack of a point guard to run their offense. Getting a consistent three point threat isn't something you should be giving up four first round picks for. You should be using that on a superstar caliber player or someone that completes what you're missing. This isn't that.

D White 5.0 apg per 36 mpg
Jrue 4.5 apg per 36 mpg

Suggs 4.6 apg per 36 mpg
Bane 6.0 apg per 36 mpg


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Not really a good way to measure if a player is good at running the offense. All three are better ball handlers than Bane. In Boston’s case most of their offense runs through the two Jays. Jrue in Bane’s place would have resulted in numbers from previous seasons as a primary ball handler.

[bon]

I remember how hyped Magic fans were for KCP’s shooting last season. Granted Bane’s a much better shooter but expecting one guy to fix such a glaring issue isn’t wise.

Nice player that addresses a need but probably too many resources for one player of that caliber. Still need 2-3 more good-great shooters and more steady PG play to be a serious team. Even C could still use a major improvement.

[SlimShady83]

Also 4 FRP and pick swaps way too mcuh

[Backcountry]

Well, that blows the "unexpected trades" thread right out of the water...

[wco81]

Bane isn't just catch and shoot. He tends to create for himself off the dribble.

As does Franz and Pablo.

Yeah on paper, those picks shouldn't be high.

But one or two bad injuries and it ends up in the lottery.

[Braggins]

You can question the price they paid, but I don't understand how anyone is question the fit for Bane on Orlando. He is pretty much the exact player they needed.

[Chuck Everett]

It's a great trade for Orlando. I like Suggs/Bane in the backcourt. Franz and Paolo can still do more of the facilitator thing, but now they have an elite shooter next to them in Bane (not a fake elite shooter in KCP). They didn't trade Da Silva nor Black. It's a lot of picks, but Bane is actually a young player who is good, so that doesn't surprise. Orlando has a puncher's chance now of getting to the ECF if they can be healthy.

All-NBA/MVPaolo back on menu next year guys.

Edit: Good trade for Memphis as well because they got what they needed. Picks to replenish some of Kleiman's poor moves like trading Steven Adams and Tyus Jones and not picking up LaRavia's team option. KCP could be a good vet off the bench and Cole Anthony allows Scottie Pippen Jr. to be a combo guard. Memphis only had one point guard on the roster, which is baffling in any era of basketball.

[wegotthabeet]

Wow. Damn that’s a lot. So I imagine JJJ would cost more.

In theory. Sadly NBA trades aren’t like real estate. Much more volatile market. It ain’t what a player is worth it’s what you can get. Think of it more like poker. Who’s got chips and can you draw them out. Memphis found a whale.

Yeah and JJJ is on an expiring contract due for a huge pay raise. That also affects value.

[Lalouie]

i like the grizz. mainly,,,they're a F****ing well run org so i have to defer to their prescience

they hit their ceiling. this whole thing with ja is weird so frankly i would have traded HIM before bane and probably landed more assets

multiple picks works going into parity so even if orl improves their picks have juice

[pepe1991]

You can question the price they paid, but I don't understand how anyone is question the fit for Bane on Orlando. He is pretty much the exact player they needed.

Problem is playmaking.

Can 4 "bit above average creators for position" really replace actual playmaker?

Bane has very low APG count in playoffs, probably because he isn't natural PG and under higher ball pressure he can't do well (watching Memphis getting steamrolled by OKC as Bane couldn't dribble pass Caruso or Wallace or Dort proves this).

Franz and Paolo are solid passers....for position.

Suggs has no handles to be PG, nor his decision making is all that good.



Bane will help Magic with scoring/creation that's granted, Bane will also be solid fit on perimeter as he plays solid defense.

But when team is selling 5 first round picks, including 4 unprotected ones, you really hope for superstar, or top 10-15 players at worst. Or at least some upcomming young star.

Just because Gobert and Mikal trades are equally terrible that doesn't make this one any better looking.

To me it feels like this type of moves are done by GMs who are in fear for their jobs.

[Chuck Everett]

I don't know how to feel about this, my initial thoughts are that a Suggs/Bane backcourt is strange. It's an improvement for Orlando, but it makes be believe they aren't done making moves maybe.

As for Memphis, they got a haul in draft capital so I can't say they didn't get anything back, but what are they trying to do in Memphis? Is it already time for them to retool? They still have a young core, so the only thing I can think of is that they want to pay someone else on the roster instead of Bane. Could be a CBA decision? I honestly don't really know.

If the young core is Morant and Jackson, then they are going nowhere. Those guys are all-star level players, but not elite take you to the title players, so you'd need to figure out a way to get someone better than them on the roster. Memphis needs all the picks they can get to luck into that player.

[pepe1991]

It's a great trade for Orlando. I like Suggs/Bane in the backcourt. Franz and Paolo can still do more of the facilitator thing, but now they have an elite shooter next to them in Bane (not a fake elite shooter in KCP). They didn't trade Da Silva nor Black. It's a lot of picks, but Bane is actually a young player who is good, so that doesn't surprise. Orlando has a puncher's chance now of getting to the ECF if they can be healthy.

All-NBA/MVPaolo back on menu next year guys.

Edit: Good trade for Memphis as well because they got what they needed. Picks to replenish some of Kleiman's poor moves like trading Steven Adams and Tyus Jones and not picking up LaRavia's team option. KCP could be a good vet off the bench and Cole Anthony allows Scottie Pippen Jr. to be a combo guard. Memphis only had one point guard on the roster, which is baffling in any era of basketball.

Bro, Banchero isn't even best player on Magic

[Chuck Everett]

Has Orlando learned nothing from watching the Knicks? What TF is wrong with these franchises lol

The same Knicks that made it to the conference Finals this year? Orlando wants to get out of the first round (they've lost back to back years). They can't just wait for their rookie contract players to become consistent.

[Braggins]

You can question the price they paid, but I don't understand how anyone is question the fit for Bane on Orlando. He is pretty much the exact player they needed.

Problem is playmaking.

Can 4 "bit above average creators for position" really replace actual playmaker?

Bane has very low APG count in playoffs, probably because he isn't natural PG and under higher ball pressure he can't do well (watching Memphis getting steamrolled by OKC as Bane couldn't dribble pass Caruso or Wallace or Dort proves this).

Franz and Paolo are solid passers....for position.

Suggs has no handles to be PG, nor his decision making is all that good.



Bane will help Magic with scoring/creation that's granted, Bane will also be solid fit on perimeter as he plays solid defense.

But when team is selling 5 first round picks, including 4 unprotected ones, you really hope for superstar, or top 10-15 players at worst. Or at least some upcomming young star.

Just because Gobert and Mikal trades are equally terrible that doesn't make this one any better looking.

To me it feels like this type of moves are done by GMs who are in fear for their jobs.

I think Black will take over the PG position sooner than later, but in the meantime if that doesn't happen right away I think they can get by with the PG by committee approach. Theyve had success playing that way even without any shooting (when Suggs is healthy) so I assume it will work even better with Bane replacing KCP, who was legit awful for you guys.

[Chuck Everett]

This opens the door wide open for Walter Clayton jr at 25. Now they need to flip AB for a good shooter like Duncan Robinson and they are contenders.

No to Duncan Robinson. Unless Miami waives him. But Clayton Jr. Heck yeah, if he's avail (not sure he will be at 25).