Shams: Grizzlies trade Desmond Bane to Magic for KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 1sts, 1 Pick Swap...

[OrlandoDream]

Let me add some context here as it seems 99% of these comments missing some important parts.

FIrst and foremost, KCP and Cole Anthony are negative value and were not part of this teams future. KCP was an awful fit on this team and we dropped the ball on that signing. Two of those picks are the cost of offloading KCP like being said by Wind and other analysts. KCP is almost a poison pill contract on this team like Beal is to Suns. Getting rid of his bumazz is worth the price. I keep seeing "core rotation veterans" in some posts about KCP and dear God, it shows 99% of comments have not watched a single game of KCP last year.

Two, your not getting Bane level player without giving up one of your best players with equal salary....unless you go all in on draft capital. Bane would have cost us Suggs with maybe two FRP and we would have to eat KCP bad contract. Orlando had a plethora of picks that NEEDED to be moved. WE have our core and done drafting projects. We needed to make a move and add picks to WIN NOW players.

Desmond Bane is a perfect fit alongside Paolo and Franz. Gives us a dynamic guard that we have not had since prob Vince Carter. Im psyched at this trade and cant wait for tipoff!!

[3ddman23]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-the-desmond-bane-trade-isnt-the-overpay-by-the-magic-that-it-appears-to-be-on-first-glance/

[Rainwater]

I will say this, obviously my first reaction to this was “massive overpay”. Even though I think Bane is a perfect fit and exactly what they need.

But with that said, these kinds of trades don’t go as south as often as we believe. Ya there is the obvious Nets fiasco.

But we have the Wolves trading for Rudy and going to back 2 back WCFs. I don’t think many Cavs fans are upset about the Mitchell trade at this point. Knicks gave up a lot of picks for Bridges. Pacers gave up a ton for Siakam.

Is it an overpay? For sure. If Bane works out (similar stats and impact as the last 4 seasons). Those draft picks end up being non lotto picks. Plus it’s not like ORL’s front office has been killing it with these non top 10 picks.

This post needs to be sticked somehow, lol.

[JustBuzzin]

Way too much for Bane.

They could have got KD for much less than that offer smh

Bane is 12 years younger than Durant, signed long term, Orlando didn't have to trade any good players for him, Durant doesn't want to go to Orlando. This is easily a better move for that team.

Bane is 12 years younger and averaged 19 points.

At no point has Bane been thought of as the better player. If you take Bane over KD you just don't know basketball.

[hagredionis]

I don't understand this trade, it's an overpay and it doesn't make them a contender either.

[Synciere]

You're not looking at future 1sts as what they are, which is basically currency. They might be overvalued but they're a major component of the packages that land stars. We have plenty of examples of both successes and failures with these all-in trades, but making one for a player like Bane could be a huge mistake on the basis that a much better player could become available.

Example: maybe mid-season Giannis does indeed ask for a trade, and a package around Wagner + 4 picks is able to land him, especially if Phoenix is having a really bad season. Maybe Booker becomes available next summer, and I don't think there will be a great market for him. Maybe the Sixers decide to go full rebuild and look to trade Maxey in a year. And if they decide to hold off and Memphis trades Bane elsewhere, the opportunity to trade for a player of his caliber is always going to be there with a package like that.

Or maybe none of these things happen and what, the Magic are just forced to ride the treadmill? Like, if Bane is available and fits your needs, you can’t just say “Well, this might happen later on, so we’re not gonna bother.” Like, how can you plan your team building around a potential player maybe asking out in the future? It doesn’t seem Giannis is going to be traded, what if the Pacers, thinking Giannis was gonna ask out, hoarded their picks and didn’t trade for Siakam last year?
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I mean, if the player is available, you can’t really say in the moment “well, this might happen in the future, so we can’t consider it.” You just have to consider how it improves the team in the moment now, how many assets you’re giving up, and the offer you can make, etc. But you can’t just based your entire thinking on things that might happen later on. Especially when of all the things you listed, none of those things could happen. Ar ethe Magic just supposed to tank for 2 years waiting for some of these things to potentially never come?

As a general rule well yeah, you can't always just hold off in case something better comes along. But when you're talking abouut three unprotected picks and a swap for a non- or borderline All-star, even if he fits well, then yes holding off can very well be the best option. I don't think there's a world where Orlando winds up seriously regretting not trading for Bane, but there's a lot of potential for them to regret making the trade. And the upside isn't high enough. They're not going to be contenders.

How do you know they won’t be contenders? Nobody really had Indiana as a contender this year but that team in Orlando is kinda scary right now. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them in the conference finals, which to me makes them a possible contender. Yeah they might regret making this trade, but scared money doesn’t make money, and right now that starting lineup is going to be great and they’re all just entering their primes.

[Dominator83]

Wowww. Memphis just finessed the hell out of the Magic. This makes the Luka trade look even more shady.

All of those players and picks combined don't equal AD alone. And then a young 2-way wing like Max Christie on top of that. Gimme a break.

An injury prone and north of 30 AD, who couldn't even last ONE GAME before getting injured ??

[Synciere]

You can question the price they paid, but I don't understand how anyone is question the fit for Bane on Orlando. He is pretty much the exact player they needed.

Problem is playmaking.

Can 4 "bit above average creators for position" really replace actual playmaker?

Bane has very low APG count in playoffs, probably because he isn't natural PG and under higher ball pressure he can't do well (watching Memphis getting steamrolled by OKC as Bane couldn't dribble pass Caruso or Wallace or Dort proves this).

Franz and Paolo are solid passers....for position.

Suggs has no handles to be PG, nor his decision making is all that good.



Bane will help Magic with scoring/creation that's granted, Bane will also be solid fit on perimeter as he plays solid defense.

But when team is selling 5 first round picks, including 4 unprotected ones, you really hope for superstar, or top 10-15 players at worst. Or at least some upcomming young star.

Just because Gobert and Mikal trades are equally terrible that doesn't make this one any better looking.

To me it feels like this type of moves are done by GMs who are in fear for their jobs.

If you want a superstar now, you need 5-6 picks plus the young and good players on a team. When the Knicks wanted Donovan Mitchell, the Jazz wanted 6 picks plus Quickley, RJ, Grimes, and every other good player. The Knicks sold the young players and one pick for Anunoby, and the picks for Bridges. This trade is picks plus salary for a young All Star caliber player. It’s a fair deal.. slight overpay at worst.

[dk1115]

um... this is a really stupid deal ont he magic's part.

[Wingy]

Teams have lost their minds, and are shooting themselves in the foot.

4 picks and swap for another guy who has never even made a single all star game.

At this point true stars like Giannis and Luka (oops, sorry Mavs fans) really are going to require like 8 firsts.

[wco81]

I thought GMs stopped trading unprotected picks after Ainge bent over the Nets.

[baldur]

I thought GMs stopped trading unprotected picks after Ainge bent over the Nets.

Magic's core average is 23ish, not 35 like Nets.

[DusterBuster]

Read on Twitter

This helps put the initial sticker shock of the sheer amount of picks into perspective…

EDIT: I can’t tell, is RGMs twitter embed broken or just on mobile it’s not showing?

[thelead]

I thought GMs stopped trading unprotected picks after Ainge bent over the Nets.

Magic's core average is 23ish, not 35 like Nets.

This is what people keep forgetting when it comes to those picks. In 2029, Paolo will be 26, Franz will be 27, Suggs will be 28, and Bane will be 30. And they're all under contract for those 4 years.

This isn't a decrepit team hoping for one last hurrah. That core will in their primes 4 years from now.

[Bucks4005]

This is a massive bet on Paulo being an All-NBA guy next offseason, and an MVP-level in the next couple of years. It’s not just about drafting a guy as good as Bane, they’re only going to get lower quality role players from here on out (unless they trade Franz or Suggs).

What are odds all four of those guys are on the team in 2030?

Why would you worry about all 4 of the guys being on the team in over 4 years exactly? Like, I get future planning, but if your making it a 5 year plan to compete, your not doing it right. Everything can change in 5 years.

To put it in perspective, 5 years ago Ben Simmons was an All Star. At most, you can plan for 3 years year, 5 is kinda ridiculous

[Bucks4005]

This is a massive bet on Paulo being an All-NBA guy next offseason, and an MVP-level in the next couple of years. It’s not just about drafting a guy as good as Bane, they’re only going to get lower quality role players from here on out (unless they trade Franz or Suggs).

What are odds all four of those guys are on the team in 2030?

Why would you worry about all 4 of the guys being on the team in over 4 years exactly? Like, I get future planning, but if your making it a 5 year plan to compete, your not doing it right. Everything can change in 5 years.

To put it in perspective, 5 years ago Ben Simmons was an All Star. At most, you can plan for 3 years ahead I think, 5 is kinda ridiculous

[Mk0]

When a GM trades a sh#% load of picks like that it always feels like a 'F#%k the future" move in order to keep their job.

KCP was a bad contract and I think Cole Anthony makes like 10m a year for two more years. But that is a lot to pay when you don't have a starting PG on the team. Maybe they try to sign Tre Jones? He is a FA and an actual point guard.

I would judge this move depending on how they manage the starting PG slot. If they have the money and can get one in FA then it helps ease that price tag to bring in Bane and get off that KCP deal. I feel like Cole Anthony was fine as a 6th man and had handled his bench role well but I don't follow the Magic.

[Slacktard]

Teams throwing around firsts

and then there's what Nico got for Luka lol.

[Wingy]

Why would Magic do this. Ruin the trade market like that? Now everyone is going to ask for 4 1sts pick swaps and more for an average starter. 1st it was Knicks' stupid Bridges overpay. Now Orlando. How much is KD going to cost? 5 1sts? or Giannis? 10 and a boatload of players? lol

I just don’t get it.

These conversations should not be that hard.

“Yeah, but Bridges commanded bla bla bla.”

“Look, just because the Knicks are idiots that doesn’t mean I’m an idiot. I’m prepared to walk away if you’re seriously thinking that’s the price.”

You’re seriously that desperate, Orlando?!?!?

[doogie_hauser]

Magic set the market. 3 unprotected picks and a swap for Desmond Bane is very rich. Idk what giannis will go for now

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Giannis won't be traded. Time to move on from that fantasy