Is Caitlin Clark a bigger star than any of the young NBA talent?

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Re: Is Caitlin Clark a bigger star than any of the young NBA talent? 

Post#161 » by Ito » Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:35 am

The Servant wrote:LeBron joining the Heat is what did this. It warped the game and it hasn't recovered from a spiritual stand point. Skip and Steven A made their money off Bron and its all they have. Now thats all the NBA has.

Worst job transitioning from one generation to another. Other sports have franchises that people cheer for. The NBA has a few old faces, youtube game highlights, and podcast coverage with some talking head ESPN stuff.

Skip and Steven A are bigger than the young crop of NBA talent, thats really sad to me. NBA is a bit of a joke at this point.



How bout when Malone and Payton joined the Lakers ? At the time it seemed like a super super team it wasn’t until the finals they got exposed for being old and broke down. The media didn’t eat off them like they did with LeBron because it was a new generation and things started working differently
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Re: Is Caitlin Clark a bigger star than any of the young NBA talent? 

Post#162 » by Johnny Firpo » Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:37 am

donkki wrote:If she is the bigger star, then certainly she is getting paid more endorsement money, right? So show me the numbers - what she is getting compared to young NBA stars?

Didn't read the thread but you can be sure that absolutely no-one outside the U.S. has never even heard of her.

In Europe, she is getting pretty big. I can tell you that every hardcore NBA fan in my country knows who she is. Also, her WNBA salary is obviously tiny compared to NBA players, but that's because of the revenue, the WNBA as a whole has so much growing to do. But her sponsorship money is pretty good already, right? Doesn't she have a NIKE deal?
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Re: Is Caitlin Clark a bigger star than any of the young NBA talent? 

Post#163 » by Hoop Hunter » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:59 pm

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donkki wrote:If she is the bigger star, then certainly she is getting paid more endorsement money, right? So show me the numbers - what she is getting compared to young NBA stars?

Didn't read the thread but you can be sure that absolutely no-one outside the U.S. has never even heard of her.

In Europe, she is getting pretty big. I can tell you that every hardcore NBA fan in my country knows who she is. Also, her WNBA salary is obviously tiny compared to NBA players, but that's because of the revenue, the WNBA as a whole has so much growing to do. But her sponsorship money is pretty good already, right? Doesn't she have a NIKE deal?

Yes her WNBA salary is only $78,000. NBA/G-League two-way players make more.

She's got deals with Nike, Gatorade, State Farm and a bunch of others. She signed an eight-year, $28 million contract with Nike.

Her estimated earning in 2024 was 11.1 million off the court. She's somewhere around 10th in female athletes behind #1 Coco Gauff and #10 Simone Biles, the rest I've never heard of, mostly tennis players.

Her last game was truly amazing. After being out 5 games with a injury she comes back with 38pt 8reb 9ast, and remember the women's game is only 40 minutes. Knocked off the best team in the W, the undefeated New York Liberty. She hit 3 3's in like 30 something seconds. 7-9 on 3's total, all but 1 were 28-30 ft, Curry like. I've never seen anything like that in the women's game. Nothing in the men's game except from Curry or Reggie. She scored or assisted on 44 of 88 points, which is exactly 50% of the team's points.

She has so many WBA all-time records I can't keep up and she's only played 1-1/4 seasons. Records that took players 8-10 years to achieve.
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Re: Is Caitlin Clark a bigger star than any of the young NBA talent? 

Post#164 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:11 pm

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Optms wrote:No surprise. Outside or Lebron and Curry, she's a bigger star than all the rest of the NBA's elite. I wouldn't limit it to just young stars.

Who do you think your grandma knows more? Caitlyn Clark or Giannis and Jokic? Yeah, going with Caitlyn.



Yeah...no.
How many know her outside the US?
My grandma knows Giannis.
My 7 year old nephew knows Jokic.
The guys you mentioned are global superstars.
Women's basketball is non existent globally.


Yeah, sure.

Numbers say otherwise. What new eyes have Jokic and Giannis brought to the sport? Clark has single handedly made a boring sport stuck in perpetual decline relevant to the masses. And she did so in weeks. I'm still not watching but again, the numbers and the fact that I know more about the WNBA than I care for is proof enough. Your granny probably has a Clark jersey stashed away.



LONDON – The National Basketball Association (NBA) today announced that the 2023-24 regular season delivered record-breaking engagement in Europe and the Middle East (EME) across the NBA App, NBA League Pass and the league’s 18 localized social media accounts in EME. Highlights include:


https://pr.nba.com/2023-24-nba-season-europe-middle-east/

The numbers absolutely show the opposite.
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Post#165 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:12 pm

Godymas wrote:I would say yes

It's easy to over estimate the actual global reach of NBA stars, Wemby is from France and France's population is roughly 70 million, and it's not like Wemby is going to be a household name today in France. Besides that, it's not like German are checking extensively for Wemby, unless they are also NBA fans, same for Spain or Portugal, or whatever other country. Generally people are fans of players from their country.

I've heard Caitlin Clark's name from people that don't watch the NBA, or care about the NBA. I see Caitlin Clark on TV all the time, I think people who watch sports in general have a ton of respect for Caitlin Clark while, in general most people don't know a lot of the young guys in the NBA, and it shows with today's finals having 2 young stars and being not viewed.

I will say that Luka's move to LA has raised his profile immensely, it has drawn more attention to Luka and the NBA, and I could see an argument for Luka being more popular than CC in both America and Globally.


• Driven by Victor Wembanyama’s standout rookie season, viewership of Spurs games on NBA League Pass in France increased by 177% year-over-year. His dunk against the Boston Celtics on Dec. 31, 2023, is the second most-viewed video ever on NBA social media.


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Post#166 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:18 pm

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Star figures transcend things like ratings though. More people know LeBron as a figure than ever actually watch NBA games. Simone Biles is a big star but who really pays attention to gymnastics outside of once every 4 years.

As someone who doesn't even watch the WNBA, I find Clark mentioned a lot more now in general media than most of the NBA star's today. I've just never encountered that before, because yeah generally the reach of a WNBA player is about 100x less than an NBA player.

That's because the media is trying desperately to prop up women's sports.

Revenue, not media hype, is a much more accurate measurement of how much people actually care about these things.

You speak like what you are saying is correct, but it's not at all.

Look at TV ratings. Caitlin Clark games averaged 1.8M viewers on national TV. The average ESPN/TNT NBA game averages 1.5M viewers this season.

So Caitlin clark already outdraws the average NBA game. She is more popular.


ABC's run this year was 2.6 million for whatever that's worth. Not sure what channel airs WNBA to be completely honest, I haven't seen a game in 20 years.
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Re: Is Caitlin Clark a bigger star than any of the young NBA talent? 

Post#167 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:24 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:She was more popular than the WNBA while still in college. And I would say she's more popular in America than any male American basketball player as well, if we judge it based on things like tv ratings and road sellouts. The numbers are the numbers.


Not sure you can draw this conclusion from those numbers.

1. And this is why many of us push for a shorter season, there are less WNBA games so there's obviously less chances to see her live. That will drive up ticket sales.
2. She's fairly new so there's a buzz. We'll see if it lasts (hopefully it does).

Now I think she's clearly more hyped and public than the NBA guys outside of the older ones right now. I"m not sure that tells us much more than, wow it's awesome a WNBA player has broken through and I hope it continues for her. But I'd have to see proof this is carrying over to international fans before I'd buy she's actually a bigger star than say Giannis who seems to be pretty darn well known everywhere too.
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Post#168 » by Profound23 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:27 pm

The highest-selling Caitlin Clark card is the 2024 Panini Prizm WNBA Signatures Gold Vinyl Prizm 1/1 Autograph, which sold for $366,000 on March 29, 2025.


Victor Wembanyama's most expensive card is a 1/1 rookie card, which sold for $860,100 in early 2025. This sale broke his own previous record of $516,000.

I know there is other criteria to base this on, but according to this Clark is currently 70% of the popularity of Wemby.
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Post#169 » by Godymas » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:35 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Godymas wrote:I would say yes

It's easy to over estimate the actual global reach of NBA stars, Wemby is from France and France's population is roughly 70 million, and it's not like Wemby is going to be a household name today in France. Besides that, it's not like German are checking extensively for Wemby, unless they are also NBA fans, same for Spain or Portugal, or whatever other country. Generally people are fans of players from their country.

I've heard Caitlin Clark's name from people that don't watch the NBA, or care about the NBA. I see Caitlin Clark on TV all the time, I think people who watch sports in general have a ton of respect for Caitlin Clark while, in general most people don't know a lot of the young guys in the NBA, and it shows with today's finals having 2 young stars and being not viewed.

I will say that Luka's move to LA has raised his profile immensely, it has drawn more attention to Luka and the NBA, and I could see an argument for Luka being more popular than CC in both America and Globally.


• Driven by Victor Wembanyama’s standout rookie season, viewership of Spurs games on NBA League Pass in France increased by 177% year-over-year. His dunk against the Boston Celtics on Dec. 31, 2023, is the second most-viewed video ever on NBA social media.


If you say so...


lotta playing with the #s here.

quick, what's a 177% increase from 1000? Not sure where that dunk # comes from, it's definitely not even close to the most popular dunk on YT
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Post#170 » by islandkid12 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:37 pm

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islandkid12 wrote:Not even close man. You're telling me you're all watching a game headlined by Clark over a game headlined by the likes of Tatum, Ant, Shai, Wemby, Luka, Hali, Brunson, KD, Kawhi, AD, Kyrie etc? Don't lie to yourselves.

That's a totally different question. I don't really watch WNBA games, that doesn't mean I don't see Clark's name/videos more than Luka's, these days. I do.

So marketing? I mean sure I guess, she's the most marketed at the moment but who here is she actually getting to tune into WNBA action? The biggest young star in basketball should be able to do that. Not even mentioning this is all domestic. She's not a huge household name to the millions of non-american basketball fans.
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Post#171 » by Ice Man » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:39 pm

Profound23 wrote:The highest-selling Caitlin Clark card is the 2024 Panini Prizm WNBA Signatures Gold Vinyl Prizm 1/1 Autograph, which sold for $366,000 on March 29, 2025.


Victor Wembanyama's most expensive card is a 1/1 rookie card, which sold for $860,100 in early 2025. This sale broke his own previous record of $516,000.

I know there is other criteria to base this on, but according to this Clark is currently 70% of the popularity of Wemby.


That's a pretty good measure of popularity.

On the other hand, TV ratings are not. Outisde of the Olympics, nobody but hard-core swimming fans watch Michael Phelps. He would swim every year in the World Championships and the TV audience would be tiny. So, OK, every game that the Atlanta Hawks plays draws more viewers than a Michael Phelps race (except for in the Olympics) and Trae Young is Atlanta's best player. That sure as bleep doesn't make Trae a bigger star than Michael Phelps. That contest is not even close. Pretty much every American knows who Michael Phelps is even now, years after he stopped swimming. Whereas Trae Young is for NBA fans only.
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Post#172 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:52 pm

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Godymas wrote:I would say yes

It's easy to over estimate the actual global reach of NBA stars, Wemby is from France and France's population is roughly 70 million, and it's not like Wemby is going to be a household name today in France. Besides that, it's not like German are checking extensively for Wemby, unless they are also NBA fans, same for Spain or Portugal, or whatever other country. Generally people are fans of players from their country.

I've heard Caitlin Clark's name from people that don't watch the NBA, or care about the NBA. I see Caitlin Clark on TV all the time, I think people who watch sports in general have a ton of respect for Caitlin Clark while, in general most people don't know a lot of the young guys in the NBA, and it shows with today's finals having 2 young stars and being not viewed.

I will say that Luka's move to LA has raised his profile immensely, it has drawn more attention to Luka and the NBA, and I could see an argument for Luka being more popular than CC in both America and Globally.


• Driven by Victor Wembanyama’s standout rookie season, viewership of Spurs games on NBA League Pass in France increased by 177% year-over-year. His dunk against the Boston Celtics on Dec. 31, 2023, is the second most-viewed video ever on NBA social media.


If you say so...


lotta playing with the #s here.

quick, what's a 177% increase from 1000? Not sure where that dunk # comes from, it's definitely not even close to the most popular dunk on YT


Would be great if we could get hard numbers. I see that there are millions of downloads of the NBA apps to watch games and there are significant numbers of games now aired in Europe. That's before we even get into places like China.

Give the sheer numbers of people outside the US and the continued growth we've seen year over year for some time that there's at least a comparable number of NBA fans outside the US to inside. But again, I'm just posting the best data I could find.
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Post#173 » by TheGeneral99 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:00 pm

I love where the NBA is right now, it's weird to me that some people are souring on NBA talent simply because the top dogs aren't American born.

Jokic - one of the best players of all-time and just a savant of a player
Doncic - 25 years old, already a phenom, just an incredible to watch
Giannis - the Shaq of this era, a two way monster
Shai - the maestro, just crazy efficient, mid-range assassin
Wemby - the most physically gifted player we've ever seen
Cunningham - smooth, cerebral, just 23 years old
Tatum - dependable, great on both ends
Edwards - athletic freak, still only 25, tons of potential

And then you have the guys like Brunson, Haliburton, Brown, Banchero, Towns, Booker, Barnes, Mobley, Mitchell, Williams, Sengun, Chet, Maxey, Trae, JJJ, Bam etc...
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Post#174 » by Optms » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:04 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Optms wrote:
KGtabake wrote:

Yeah...no.
How many know her outside the US?
My grandma knows Giannis.
My 7 year old nephew knows Jokic.
The guys you mentioned are global superstars.
Women's basketball is non existent globally.


Yeah, sure.

Numbers say otherwise. What new eyes have Jokic and Giannis brought to the sport? Clark has single handedly made a boring sport stuck in perpetual decline relevant to the masses. And she did so in weeks. I'm still not watching but again, the numbers and the fact that I know more about the WNBA than I care for is proof enough. Your granny probably has a Clark jersey stashed away.



LONDON – The National Basketball Association (NBA) today announced that the 2023-24 regular season delivered record-breaking engagement in Europe and the Middle East (EME) across the NBA App, NBA League Pass and the league’s 18 localized social media accounts in EME. Highlights include:


https://pr.nba.com/2023-24-nba-season-europe-middle-east/

The numbers absolutely show the opposite.


Yes, that was in large part thanks to Wemby. The article even states it. Nice try.
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Post#175 » by Patches Perry » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:05 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:I love where the NBA is right now, it's weird to me that some people are souring on NBA talent simply because the top dogs aren't American born.

Jokic - one of the best players of all-time and just a savant of a player
Doncic - 25 years old, already a phenom, just an incredible to watch
Giannis - the Shaq of this era, a two way monster
Shai - the maestro, just crazy efficient, mid-range assassin
Wemby - the most physically gifted player we've ever seen
Cunningham - smooth, cerebral, just 23 years old
Tatum - dependable, great on both ends
Edwards - athletic freak, still only 25, tons of potential

And then you have the guys like Brunson, Haliburton, Brown, Banchero, Towns, Booker, Barnes, Mobley, Mitchell, Williams, Sengun, Chet, Maxey, Trae, JJJ, Bam etc...


I don't think its a knock on NBA talent as much as a testament to the mega-star Caitlin Clark has become.
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Post#176 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:07 pm

Optms wrote:
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Yeah, sure.

Numbers say otherwise. What new eyes have Jokic and Giannis brought to the sport? Clark has single handedly made a boring sport stuck in perpetual decline relevant to the masses. And she did so in weeks. I'm still not watching but again, the numbers and the fact that I know more about the WNBA than I care for is proof enough. Your granny probably has a Clark jersey stashed away.



LONDON – The National Basketball Association (NBA) today announced that the 2023-24 regular season delivered record-breaking engagement in Europe and the Middle East (EME) across the NBA App, NBA League Pass and the league’s 18 localized social media accounts in EME. Highlights include:


https://pr.nba.com/2023-24-nba-season-europe-middle-east/

The numbers absolutely show the opposite.


Yes, that was in large part thanks to Wemby. The article even states it. Nice try.


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Post#177 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:09 pm

Patches Perry wrote:
TheGeneral99 wrote:I love where the NBA is right now, it's weird to me that some people are souring on NBA talent simply because the top dogs aren't American born.

Jokic - one of the best players of all-time and just a savant of a player
Doncic - 25 years old, already a phenom, just an incredible to watch
Giannis - the Shaq of this era, a two way monster
Shai - the maestro, just crazy efficient, mid-range assassin
Wemby - the most physically gifted player we've ever seen
Cunningham - smooth, cerebral, just 23 years old
Tatum - dependable, great on both ends
Edwards - athletic freak, still only 25, tons of potential

And then you have the guys like Brunson, Haliburton, Brown, Banchero, Towns, Booker, Barnes, Mobley, Mitchell, Williams, Sengun, Chet, Maxey, Trae, JJJ, Bam etc...


I don't think its a knock on NBA talent as much as a testament to the mega-star Caitlin Clark has become.


Seems odd people can't appreciate that we have a woman getting huge draw for sports without her whole body being on display. It's great.

But we shouldn't try and exaggerate her celebrity nor bring it down either.
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Post#178 » by dautjazz » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:16 pm

nate33 wrote:No. Not even close

Clark is way bigger and more important to the WNBA than any NBA star is to the NBA, but that still doesn't make her much of a star because nobody watches the WNBA.

Last year, the NBA produced a revenue of $10.58 billion. The WNBA produced a revenue of $200 million. The NBA is literally 50 times bigger than the WNBA. So even if Clark is such a big star that she is personally responsible for half of the WNBA's revenue, that only an impact of $100M. A young NBA star like Anthony Edwards only needs to be responsible for 1% of the NBA's popularity to equal Clark's impact.
Whatever the revenue was, the NBA has lost money every year since it's inception. I doubt that it came out in the green last year too. Definitely nobody knows WNBA stars outside the US.
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Post#179 » by Mephariel » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:16 pm

I think all this talk about selling and marketing is overblown. I think Silver has it right. If you want to be the face of the league, you need to do it organically. Clark is the face of the WNBA because she was able to attract a huge fanbase with her game and her story. You can't just push another WNBA star and get the same result. People are saying the NBA should market Shai but I just don't think he has that kind of aura.
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Post#180 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:34 pm

Mephariel wrote:I think all this talk about selling and marketing is overblown. I think Silver has it right. If you want to be the face of the league, you need to do it organically. Clark is the face of the WNBA because she was able to attract a huge fanbase with her game and her story. You can't just push another WNBA star and get the same result. People are saying the NBA should market Shai but I just don't think he has that kind of aura.


I think there's a bit of a mix here.

I think the NBA should heavily push their partners (ESPN, NBC, TNT and so on) to be positive about their best players. But they can't just shove a new star down our throats.

NBC back in the day would market the finals and really in series so well. They'd build it up and it was amazing. That wasn't forced but they set you up to watch something, historic.

I don't know about you guys but I remember hearing about Babe Ruth and thinking how sad it wasn't I'd never see him play. So when I got the chance to see the Magic's, Birds (though I missed his best years), and certainly Jordan....i knew I'd regret it when I was older. Would I have? Maybe not. But that's how I felt. It's part of why I got into sports...to see real time something special.

Point being, you can't force it, but can certainly push people to remind people that what we're seeing is special and won't happen again. VS everything today sucks which is what the NBA allows their partners to sell.

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