Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[ReasonablySober]

I think if you take out the #5 and #21 Utah might consider it.

[Ron Swanson]

Feels like some of you guys are really underselling how bad that Markkanen contract is.

[JonHeist]

Feels like some of you guys are really underselling how bad that Markkanen contract is.

yea

19/6/1.5 on 57% TS last year

making 53.5mil in 2028-2029

ainge would be dumb to not move up from 5 to 3 and get a potentially great pick and swap and get off of 2 years of >50Mil for lauri

KPJ had as much VORP as Lauri last year (~1500 minutes) in the ~600 minutes he played for us

the sixers would say no tho

[tski1972]

I think it’s Chuma Okeke time.

[machu46]

Screw it, let's get nuts.

MIL Out: Dame, 2031 1st, 2032 pick swap
MIL In: #5, Paul George

UTA Out: Lauri, #5, #21
UTA In: Dame, #3, 2031 MIL 1st, 2032 pick swap

PHI Out: PG, #3
PHI In: Lauri, #21

One of Ace Bailey, Edgecombe, or Tre Johnson to pair with Giannis for the foreseeable future while taking a wild swing that PG can give you something closer to his 2023-24 self after 8-months of rest/rehab.

Utah boned pretty hard here.

If Ainge is still delusional about Lauri's value, sure, he'll probably think so. If anything I wondered if Philly would actually do this, because ultimately I don't think they would.

Yeah I was going to say I think Philly says no and hopes PG is better next season than he was this year.

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[Bernman]

He's 28. It's isnt like his career is over

If the doctors sign off on it and your medical team believes in their rehab program you just turned **** Kuzma, Patty C and a 2nd into a starting caliber player and a 1st round pick in a years time. (or rather at least control if agiannis decides he does want to leave)

That's a **** win. Just cause it isnt free of risk doesn't mean that isnt the exact type of trade they should be doing this year and about the only type of move that has a chance at turning the team around in a year or two

Hate to break to you but an expiring Kuzma deal isnt bring back quality without future picks attached. This trade actually has the chance to add to the rotation a year from now without giving up anything quality

Hate to break it to you, but I say don't objectively sell low on players, including Kuzma. Game Theory called him a good contract before last season, and Hoops Tonight a winning player prior. It doesn't matter what you think, having to put **** Kuzma emotionally before his name half the time, if there are others who perceive it that way. If he turns it around, he could be traded w/out having to attach assets at the deadline.

That's better than the realistic best case for DeJounte Murray: taking next season to rehab, then coming back as close to the same player before, when he was somewhat controversial in his own right. We could get out of both Kuz' & Pat's contracts by the end of next season. And that's what we should be looking at doing. Not adding to length & $ of bad deals. That's a game we can get into to add draft assets when Giannis is gone.

[EasyE31]

Ok how about this:

Bucks get: Paul George, Nic Claxton, 2025 pick #19
76ers get: Cam Johnson, Kyle Kuzma
Nets get: Dame, 2025 pick #3, Bucks 2031 1st

Bucks exchange Dame's contract for an equally bad one but at least George is playable and fills a hole for us at SF. Plus we get a Claxton who's a perfect center next to Giannis and a first this year.

Sixers clear George's contract and add a big piece in Johnson.

I think everyone does this....

[Ron Swanson]

Ok how about this:

Bucks get: Paul George, Nic Claxton, 2025 pick #19
76ers get: Cam Johnson, Kyle Kuzma
Nets get: Dame, 2025 pick #3, Bucks 2031 1st

Bucks exchange Dame's contract for an equally bad one but at least George is playable and fills a hole for us at SF. Plus we get a Claxton who's a perfect center next to Giannis and a first this year.

Sixers clear George's contract and add a big piece in Johnson.

I think everyone does this....

I doubt Philly does this and I would pray to god that we don't lol.

[buckboy]

I think it’s Chuma Okeke time.

It has been for like 6 (?) years.

[JonHeist]

not a fan of these "trade our only draft asset just to get rid of kuzma" trades

[EasyE31]

Ok how about this:

Bucks get: Paul George, Nic Claxton, 2025 pick #19
76ers get: Cam Johnson, Kyle Kuzma
Nets get: Dame, 2025 pick #3, Bucks 2031 1st

Bucks exchange Dame's contract for an equally bad one but at least George is playable and fills a hole for us at SF. Plus we get a Claxton who's a perfect center next to Giannis and a first this year.

Sixers clear George's contract and add a big piece in Johnson.

I think everyone does this....

I doubt Philly does this and I would pray to god that we don't lol.

I'm admittedly obsessed with Claxton so maybe I'm biased. I'd be pretty excited about this rotation though:

KPJ / Rollins
Trent / Green
George / #19 / Vet Min
Giannis / Bobby
Claxton / Sims

[MickeyDavis]

From the GB, only one top 10 pick starts in the Finals.

Chet Holmgren - 2
Jalen Williams - 12
Isaiah Hartenstein - 43
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander - 11
Luguentz Dort - U

Pascal Siakam - 27
Aaron Nesmith - 14
Myles Turner - 11
Andrew Nembhard - 31
Tyrese Haliburton - 12

The Bucks starters in the Finals:

Giannis - 15
Jrue - 17
Khris - 39
Lopez - 10
Tucker - 35

And Lopez was a FA, we didn't draft him.

Obviously there are champs that have more than one top 10 pick but you can do it without.

[Bernman]

From the GB, only one top 10 pick starts in the Finals.

Chet Holmgren - 2
Jalen Williams - 12
Isaiah Hartenstein - 43
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander - 11
Luguentz Dort - U

Pascal Siakam - 27
Aaron Nesmith - 14
Myles Turner - 11
Andrew Nembhard - 31
Tyrese Haliburton - 12

The Bucks starters in the Finals:

Giannis - 15
Jrue - 17
Khris - 39
Lopez - 10
Tucker - 35

And Lopez was a FA, we didn't draft him.

Obviously there are champs that have more than one top 10 pick but you can do it without.

That just may go to show, if you can't get a top prospect (includes picks where you know the outcome ahead - like Flagg, Harper), that it's better to have quantity of some quality. Over half of those guys were picked 10-17. So secure multiple shots at those guys, ideally per draft.

Part of our mistake in sucking for almost 30 years was we were allergic to quantity of quality because we refused to commit to a rebuild. Literally never had 2 picks in a draft once, if we had any at all.

BTW, I know most of those players weren't drafted by the same teams. But you needed assets to trade for them, or a FA draw from the guys you probably did draft (Giannis, J-Dub/Chet). Our only asset could end up willingness to take on bad contracts for apron relief to get picks/players.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Ive talked about this. I think the picks are to get the superstar. Once you have one then the rest of it is modern depth.

To get depth we need salary flexibility. you can draft young guys for that depth but i think the tendency is to overpay them once they kind of "hit". id say avoid that. Go for the vets on value deals and keep it revolving. Its hungry vets trying to get paid that give you the best impact

if you get another khris then maybe to re=up. but its got to be a khris level guy

[emunney]

Screw it, let's get nuts.

MIL Out: Dame, 2031 1st, 2032 pick swap
MIL In: #5, Paul George

UTA Out: Lauri, #5, #21
UTA In: Dame, #3, 2031 MIL 1st, 2032 pick swap

PHI Out: PG, #3
PHI In: Lauri, #21

One of Ace Bailey, Edgecombe, or Tre Johnson to pair with Giannis for the foreseeable future while taking a wild swing that PG can give you something closer to his 2023-24 self after 8-months of rest/rehab.

Utah boned pretty hard here.

If Ainge is still delusional about Lauri's value, sure, he'll probably think so. If anything I wondered if Philly would actually do this, because ultimately I don't think they would.

If Lauri's value is that low, we should get him directly here.

[mlloyd10]

Is the Trea trade actually good for ATL?

I mean, it’s good for us.

[Ron Swanson]

Ok, but we don't have the 3rd overall pick to dangle them. FWIW, this is what spurred the Utah interest in trading up as well as Philly wanting to "trade down if they can get rid of PG's contract":

Bailey, who continues sliding down the board in this scenario, doesn’t appear to have much interest in Utah and is viewed by most teams as a riskier bet. — Jeremy Woo of Draft Express

Think Utah definitely wants to move up to 3 or 4 to get their guy (Tre or Edgecombe) lest they feel forced to take Bailey if he falls there. Moving up 2 spots in the Top-5 is never cheap and motivations matter here too. Ainge overvalues draft picks whereas Morey always wants to pair stars together. Of course this hinges entirely on Philly both valuing Lauri as a fit with Maxey/Embiid (seems fine to me) as well as Utah preferring the shorter dollar amount of Dame's negative contract. But if you think that this is a light return for Lauri then that's where the massive disconnect is. He's the new Zach LaVine IMO. Late-20s fringe All-Stars making veteran max/super-max money are the new albatross contracts that smart teams are gonna have to figure out how to start avoiding.

[BigO]

Three thoughts:

1) For those who hope to get Kuzma back to respectability, he was never respectable. Could you glean one season? Maybe. If the idea is to play him to get his value up, all you are doing is tanking the Bucks chances of winning and taking away valuable playing time from players who actually have skills.

2) For those who want to let Lopez walk (I'm one of them), you still are under the obligation of saying who will take his place as a regualr season rim protector? My solution is to do what you can to get Ryan Kalkbrenner, rather than waste pick after pick on "developmental" guys who never develop. Kalkbrenner is ready from day one and is great in the drop scheme.

3) For those willing to let BP walk (depends on the contract value), you are under an obifgation to say who you will replace him with to make up for losing a great rebounder and a good scorer.

[htr]

As a Badger fan, I cringe to ask but Herro for Lillard works on trade checker. Would you do this deal straight up? Lillard should be ready end of season and wanted to be in Miami and might help them get a stud free agent to join him and Bam. We get a 25 year old #2 option from the state that likely grew up a bucks fan.

I’d actually do this one and then get MPJ from Denver for PatC and Kuzma and whatever else non 31 is needed.

Resign Bobby Trent and KPJ and we move forward this way. Doesn’t look so bleak imo.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

As a Badger fan, I cringe to ask but Herro for Lillard works on trade checker. Would you do this deal straight up? Lillard should be ready end of season and wanted to be in Miami and might help them get a stud free agent to join him and Bam. We get a 25 year old #2 option from the state that likely grew up a bucks fan.

I’d actually do this one and then get MPJ from Denver for PatC and Kuzma and whatever else non 31 is needed.

Resign Bobby Trent and KPJ and we move forward this way. Doesn’t look so bleak imo.

wouldnt even hesitate