Kevin Durant

[Nick K]

Oh and shrink you need to be using 2025-26 salaries in your trades because before the moratorium it is going to be logistically nearly impossible to pull off a trade of that magnitude between 2 2nd apron teams with neither having the ability to aggregate.

Next year makes more sense to me too, but PHX has been adamant that they want Durant traded before the draft, so they can use the picks themselves. There is also a lot of smoke out there that the deal will happen in the next 48 hours. Plus, you’ll note that the pieces MIN put into this trade are all trade eligible right now, while the more logical choice for the trade, Julius Randle (and Naz, and NAW) aren’t in this offer. In fact, if you consider Ant and Jaden untouchable, this offer includes almost all of our currently tradable salary. Maybe that’s random, but I would like to hear of PHX is still pushing for an immediate offer.

Phoenix is using MN to try to get other teams to up their offers right now, that's all it is.
Durant doesnt want to be here, if we trade for him its franchise suicide.

Do we really know Durant doesn't want to be here? All I've heard is Shams said "Someone told me KD doesnt want to go to MN". That doesn't mean much to me. Has KD said he doesn't want to come to MN? NO. Could his agent have told Shams that? Probably yes. Do agents lie or mislead?

He and Ant are friends and they talk all the time. Don't you think they talk about this? Don't you think Connelly knows what they are talking about? I think so.

If reports are true Connelly is still spending time and effort to bring KD here, wouldn't it make sense that KD is ok coing here?

The more I think about it the more I want KD here just as long as we don't over pay. We shouldn't have to. Other teams appear to be low-balling PHX right now on Durant. My best guess is Connelly is trying to put a multi-team deal together which takes time.

This is a great draft for us to take a big and a good one. I love Sorber, Maluach and Queen. One could fall to us. I'd even throw in our #31 to move up if needed.

I can't wait to see how it all turns out.

[Nick K]

It’s hard for me to look at a Durant package without thinking about the price of the pieces in picks

- Dillingham was got last year for a 2031 unprotected pick and a 2030 pick swap. His value has decreased since then, without much on-court success and one year less on his rookie scale deal.

- DiVincenzo was often listed on “Best Contracts in the NBA” list last off-season, at $12 mil per year for three years. Dillingham has slid back with a poor season, and one less cheap deal, but the size of his contract still has value. Jace Fredrick claimed he was the second highest trade value on the team, and Dane Moore said third, even now. They think he’s worth a couple 1sts.

- Julius Randle could be very valuable for some team this summer. 25 teams or more want to improve, so there aren’t a lot of sellers for a player of Randle’s caliber. Plus, the lack of cap space this summer might make him amenable to a cheaper extension. I think he’s worth a 1st or two as well.

Anyway, I understand what a good player Durant is, and I understand the goal is to win a championship. But if Durant doesn’t want to be here, I would only expect one professional season from him, and that would be a big asset haul to lose, especially since Dilly and DDV could gain value next season.

So at worst, you could trade for a Top 15 player of all time who is still putting up big numbers for roughly the same price as a 26year old who has never made all-NBA and never been an all-star and was just the third best player on an 8 seed. I'll go with Durant....

You can't put it any better than that! I agree.

I don't buy Durant doesn't want to be here.

[Nick K]

It’s hard for me to look at a Durant package without thinking about the price of the pieces in picks

- Dillingham was got last year for a 2031 unprotected pick and a 2030 pick swap. His value has decreased since then, without much on-court success and one year less on his rookie scale deal.

- DiVincenzo was often listed on “Best Contracts in the NBA” list last off-season, at $12 mil per year for three years. Dillingham has slid back with a poor season, and one less cheap deal, but the size of his contract still has value. Jace Fredrick claimed he was the second highest trade value on the team, and Dane Moore said third, even now. They think he’s worth a couple 1sts.

- Julius Randle could be very valuable for some team this summer. 25 teams or more want to improve, so there aren’t a lot of sellers for a player of Randle’s caliber. Plus, the lack of cap space this summer might make him amenable to a cheaper extension. I think he’s worth a 1st or two as well.

Anyway, I understand what a good player Durant is, and I understand the goal is to win a championship. But if Durant doesn’t want to be here, I would only expect one professional season from him, and that would be a big asset haul to lose, especially since Dilly and DDV could gain value next season.

So at worst, you could trade for a Top 15 player of all time who is still putting up big numbers for roughly the same price as a 26year old who has never made all-NBA and never been an all-star and was just the third best player on an 8 seed. I'll go with Durant....

Bane’s current value >>>>>>>> Durant’s current value.

First, you get one year of Durant. Who, at best, has been unhappy at destinations he’s picked, and now he would be coming to one he flat out doesn’t want to come to. Bane is locked up at age 26 for several years.

Bane is on a semi-reasonable contract. If, big if, you are fortunate to lock up Durant on an extension, you’re looking at about 180m over 3 years for someone that will be 40 at the end of it. Plus, with that contract, no way we squeeze in our current roster under the second apron.

For next regular season, do I think Durant would have a bigger impact than Bane? Yes. Do I think that makes us better than OKC? No. Do I think that even makes us a lock for a top four seed in the West? No. Just look at his impact at his last couple of stops? It’s been none essentially as far as playoff wins.

I think the league is showing just that. Old Durant has minimal value. As these playoffs have shown, with the grind of the regular season and playoffs, this is a young players league.

Sorry jpatrick, that comment is absurd.

[Nick K]

Maybe Durant's feelings change when he realizes the teams he wants to go to don't want him? Minnesota willing to make sacrifices for him may change his tune. And maybe he likes playing in MN. Very fluid situation.

Are you willing to lose those assets for a one-year rental?

They are not going to do this as a one year rental.

I don't buy for a minute KD doesn't want to come here. He comes here and we win do you actually think he's want to leave. Connelly will have a longer term deal settled if we do the deal. Doesn't that make sense?

[Nick K]

Klomp is so damn invested into KD that I almost want the trade to go though, just to see it fail, and dude calms down a bit in future takes.

If you look at the KD numbers he hasn't lost much of anything. I was surprised at how good he's been on both sides of the ball. When I saw that I went all-in on KD.

When it's late in the 4th qtr and you need a basket Ant and KD will get it done. Devasting 1-2 punch.

Look at KD's numbers. They are very impressive.

[thinktank]

Klomp is so damn invested into KD that I almost want the trade to go though, just to see it fail, and dude calms down a bit in future takes.

If you look at the KD numbers he hasn't lost much of anything. I was surprised at how good he's been on both sides of the ball. When I saw that I went all-in on KD.

When it's late in the 4th qtr and you need a basket Ant and KD will get it done. Devasting 1-2 punch.

Look at KD's numbers. They are very impressive.

He’s the best overall shooter in the league. imo.

[Domejandro]

Next year makes more sense to me too, but PHX has been adamant that they want Durant traded before the draft, so they can use the picks themselves. There is also a lot of smoke out there that the deal will happen in the next 48 hours. Plus, you’ll note that the pieces MIN put into this trade are all trade eligible right now, while the more logical choice for the trade, Julius Randle (and Naz, and NAW) aren’t in this offer. In fact, if you consider Ant and Jaden untouchable, this offer includes almost all of our currently tradable salary. Maybe that’s random, but I would like to hear of PHX is still pushing for an immediate offer.

Phoenix is using MN to try to get other teams to up their offers right now, that's all it is.
Durant doesnt want to be here, if we trade for him its franchise suicide.

Do we really know Durant doesn't want to be here? All I've heard is Shams said "Someone told me KD doesnt want to go to MN". That doesn't mean much to me. Has KD said he doesn't want to come to MN? NO. Could his agent have told Shams that? Probably yes. Do agents lie or mislead?

He and Ant are friends and they talk all the time. Don't you think they talk about this? Don't you think Connelly knows what they are talking about? I think so.

If reports are true Connelly is still spending time and effort to bring KD here, wouldn't it make sense that KD is ok coing here?

The more I think about it the more I want KD here just as long as we don't over pay. We shouldn't have to. Other teams appear to be low-balling PHX right now on Durant. My best guess is Connelly is trying to put a multi-team deal together which takes time.

This is a great draft for us to take a big and a good one. I love Sorber, Maluach and Queen. One could fall to us. I'd even throw in our #31 to move up if needed.

I can't wait to see how it all turns out.

I am pretty confident that Kevin Durant's agent are acting in his best interest trying to guide him to his three preferred teams. People saying that Minnesota should be entirely out because of it are being super melodramatic, though. It's normal for players to have preferences, and Minnesota is doing the right thing to field a strong offer that is contingent on Kevin Durant (with his expiring contract) indicate that he is comfortable with it.

Realistically, other teams have until the Draft to adjust their offers to meet Phoenix's demands, and if that does not happen by the Draft, I think that we will see a much clearer conversation around whether or not Kevin Durant is comfortable with Minnesota. There really isn't a huge rush to complete a trade with Minnesota (or push Kevin Durant to sign off on it) until after the NBA Draft.

[younggunsmn]

Next year makes more sense to me too, but PHX has been adamant that they want Durant traded before the draft, so they can use the picks themselves. There is also a lot of smoke out there that the deal will happen in the next 48 hours. Plus, you’ll note that the pieces MIN put into this trade are all trade eligible right now, while the more logical choice for the trade, Julius Randle (and Naz, and NAW) aren’t in this offer. In fact, if you consider Ant and Jaden untouchable, this offer includes almost all of our currently tradable salary. Maybe that’s random, but I would like to hear of PHX is still pushing for an immediate offer.

Phoenix is using MN to try to get other teams to up their offers right now, that's all it is.
Durant doesnt want to be here, if we trade for him its franchise suicide.

Do we really know Durant doesn't want to be here? All I've heard is Shams said "Someone told me KD doesnt want to go to MN". That doesn't mean much to me. Has KD said he doesn't want to come to MN? NO. Could his agent have told Shams that? Probably yes. Do agents lie or mislead?

He and Ant are friends and they talk all the time. Don't you think they talk about this? Don't you think Connelly knows what they are talking about? I think so.

If reports are true Connelly is still spending time and effort to bring KD here, wouldn't it make sense that KD is ok coing here?

The more I think about it the more I want KD here just as long as we don't over pay. We shouldn't have to. Other teams appear to be low-balling PHX right now on Durant. My best guess is Connelly is trying to put a multi-team deal together which takes time.

This is a great draft for us to take a big and a good one. I love Sorber, Maluach and Queen. One could fall to us. I'd even throw in our #31 to move up if needed.

I can't wait to see how it all turns out.

Shams is the new Woj and espns #1 insider.
If he says something, it likely came directly from the agent/mouthpiece of the player.
If he were a drug dealer he would have the purest stuff on the market.

It's been reported (by jon k i think correct me if I'm wrong) that Ant is no even actively recruiting his good friend KD.
That should speak volumes about exactly how much KD wants to be here.

Other teams are not lowballing Phoenix, Phoenix is in denial about the value of one year of a 37 year old Kevin Durant.

My hope is that our interest is all smoke we are using as cover to make some other moves behind the scenes to get another lead guard in here and actually start retooling around Ant.

The center depth in this draft is a big reason we need to hold onto and use our own pick, although I am not a big fan of Sorber or Queen.
Give me Reynaud or Kalkbrenner in a trade down from 17 or up from 31, both have shown the ability to stretch the floor.
I also like Fleming as more of a shotblocking stretch 4.

Durant is that MILF homewrecker with big knockers that your momma told you to watch out for.
She used to be a 10 but now she's a 7 with a trail of bankrupt boyfriends left behind her.
And her biological clock is ticking and she aint dating bald guys from cold states because she doesnt want that in her gene pool.

[Domejandro]

It's been reported (by jon k i think correct me if I'm wrong) that Ant is no even actively recruiting his good friend KD.
That should speak volumes about exactly how much KD wants to be here.

I think that this is the wrong takeaway. Anthony Edwards is not actively recruiting Kevin Durant because he doesn't want to be actively encouraging the trading of his teammates. Plenty of other players would just do it any way, but I think it totally makes sense from a principled standpoint to be like "I would love to play with him, but I also love playing with my current teammates," and not be actively involved.

It would be extremely awkward to be actively lobbying for your teammates to get traded. Absolute PR disaster.

[Nick K]

Phoenix is using MN to try to get other teams to up their offers right now, that's all it is.
Durant doesnt want to be here, if we trade for him its franchise suicide.

Do we really know Durant doesn't want to be here? All I've heard is Shams said "Someone told me KD doesnt want to go to MN". That doesn't mean much to me. Has KD said he doesn't want to come to MN? NO. Could his agent have told Shams that? Probably yes. Do agents lie or mislead?

He and Ant are friends and they talk all the time. Don't you think they talk about this? Don't you think Connelly knows what they are talking about? I think so.

If reports are true Connelly is still spending time and effort to bring KD here, wouldn't it make sense that KD is ok coing here?

The more I think about it the more I want KD here just as long as we don't over pay. We shouldn't have to. Other teams appear to be low-balling PHX right now on Durant. My best guess is Connelly is trying to put a multi-team deal together which takes time.

This is a great draft for us to take a big and a good one. I love Sorber, Maluach and Queen. One could fall to us. I'd even throw in our #31 to move up if needed.

I can't wait to see how it all turns out.

Shams is the new Woj and espns #1 insider.
If he says something, it likely came directly from the agent/mouthpiece of the player.
If he were a drug dealer he would have the purest stuff on the market.

It's been reported (by jon k i think correct me if I'm wrong) that Ant is no even actively recruiting his good friend KD.
That should speak volumes about exactly how much KD wants to be here.

Other teams are not lowballing Phoenix, Phoenix is in denial about the value of one year of a 37 year old Kevin Durant.

My hope is that our interest is all smoke we are using as cover to make some other moves behind the scenes to get another lead guard in here and actually start retooling around Ant.

The center depth in this draft is a big reason we need to hold onto and use our own pick, although I am not a big fan of Sorber or Queen.
Give me Reynaud or Kalkbrenner in a trade down from 17 or up from 31, both have shown the ability to stretch the floor.
I also like Fleming as more of a shotblocking stretch 4.

Durant is that MILF homewrecker with big knockers that your momma told you to watch out for.
She used to be a 10 but now she's a 7 with a trail of bankrupt boyfriends left behind her.
And her biological clock is ticking and she aint dating bald guys from cold states because she doesnt want that in her gene pool.

Ant and KD talk all the time. Ant doesn't have to recruit KD. I love Jonny K but....

You're colorful metaphors are priceless.

I don't agree on Kalkbrenner we have that in Darko. I like Fleming but we need a big Center to replace Rudy. Time to get one right now.

[BlacJacMac]

Ant and KD talk all the time. Ant doesn't have to recruit KD. I love Jonny K but....

I think that's a massive exaggeration...

[Nick K]

Ant and KD talk all the time. Ant doesn't have to recruit KD. I love Jonny K but....

I think that's a massive exaggeration...

Don't you know they are very close friends and hang out all the time? Apparently not.

[BlacJacMac]

Ant and KD talk all the time. Ant doesn't have to recruit KD. I love Jonny K but....

I think that's a massive exaggeration...

Don't you know they are very close friends and hang out all the time? Apparently not.

They don't. They hung out at the Olympics, they see each other when their teams play each other.

Do you think KD is hanging out in Atlanta with Ant, his family and his crew?

[Slim Tubby]

Phoenix is using MN to try to get other teams to up their offers right now, that's all it is.
Durant doesnt want to be here, if we trade for him its franchise suicide.

Do we really know Durant doesn't want to be here? All I've heard is Shams said "Someone told me KD doesnt want to go to MN". That doesn't mean much to me. Has KD said he doesn't want to come to MN? NO. Could his agent have told Shams that? Probably yes. Do agents lie or mislead?

He and Ant are friends and they talk all the time. Don't you think they talk about this? Don't you think Connelly knows what they are talking about? I think so.

If reports are true Connelly is still spending time and effort to bring KD here, wouldn't it make sense that KD is ok coing here?

The more I think about it the more I want KD here just as long as we don't over pay. We shouldn't have to. Other teams appear to be low-balling PHX right now on Durant. My best guess is Connelly is trying to put a multi-team deal together which takes time.

This is a great draft for us to take a big and a good one. I love Sorber, Maluach and Queen. One could fall to us. I'd even throw in our #31 to move up if needed.

I can't wait to see how it all turns out.

Shams is the new Woj and espns #1 insider.
If he says something, it likely came directly from the agent/mouthpiece of the player.
If he were a drug dealer he would have the purest stuff on the market.

It's been reported (by jon k i think correct me if I'm wrong) that Ant is no even actively recruiting his good friend KD.
That should speak volumes about exactly how much KD wants to be here.

Other teams are not lowballing Phoenix, Phoenix is in denial about the value of one year of a 37 year old Kevin Durant.

My hope is that our interest is all smoke we are using as cover to make some other moves behind the scenes to get another lead guard in here and actually start retooling around Ant.

The center depth in this draft is a big reason we need to hold onto and use our own pick, although I am not a big fan of Sorber or Queen.
Give me Reynaud or Kalkbrenner in a trade down from 17 or up from 31, both have shown the ability to stretch the floor.
I also like Fleming as more of a shotblocking stretch 4.

Durant is that MILF homewrecker with big knockers that your momma told you to watch out for.
She used to be a 10 but now she's a 7 with a trail of bankrupt boyfriends left behind her.
And her biological clock is ticking and she aint dating bald guys from cold states because she doesnt want that in her gene pool.

Geez...all my Momma told me was to look both ways before crossing the street.

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[Loaf_of_bread]

I like maximizing Rudy's value NOW. Love that guy, but he will regress. Randle re-signed would be a horrible mistake..

That guy needs to be careful imo with his next contract. Even though there will be more teams w money next year, he will also be a year older. And, has a reputation as a headcase/inconsistent ballhog . If I was Randle's agent, and a 4 year deal was available (not from us), I'd suggest to him to take it.

[younggunsmn]

Geez...all my Momma told me was to look both ways before crossing the street.

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She didn't warn you about that lady on the corner after you crossed the street?
That 6'11 lady in the leopard pants and push up bra with the expiring contract?

[younggunsmn]

It's been reported (by jon k i think correct me if I'm wrong) that Ant is no even actively recruiting his good friend KD.
That should speak volumes about exactly how much KD wants to be here.

I think that this is the wrong takeaway. Anthony Edwards is not actively recruiting Kevin Durant because he doesn't want to be actively encouraging the trading of his teammates. Plenty of other players would just do it any way, but I think it totally makes sense from a principled standpoint to be like "I would love to play with him, but I also love playing with my current teammates," and not be actively involved.

It would be extremely awkward to be actively lobbying for your teammates to get traded. Absolute PR disaster.

Cmon man he doesn't have to lobby pulicly (and I was wrong it was windhorst/stein on ESPN who said that).
They just said he hadnt reached out to KD.
The protecting his teammates stuff is a lot of projecting.
These guys are friends and spent weeks together for the Olympics, they have each other's numbers.
It's as simple as one text from Ant asking about how KD would feel about Minny.

Trust me, Ant already knows KD's true feelings about Minny.
TC telling Ant he is gonna try to trade for KD is like if I took my daughter to look at ponies even though I have no place to keep one or way to take care of it. It's all theater.

KD feels the way any other star player who isn't stuck here already would feel about being stuck in Minnesota from November until April.
And what would be left afterwards anyway after we had to gut the team to take on his contract?

With or without KD signing an extension, the most I would offer would be DDV plus one of Randle/Gobert.
If they want a draft pick they can try to flip Dante.
I would throw Rob in too but only because 8 months from now at the trade deadline he's going to have all the value of a slightly negative salary filler contract and I'd honestly rather use that money this summer to sign a Tyus Jones or Rudy replacement with the taxpayer MLE.

[Slim Tubby]

Geez...all my Momma told me was to look both ways before crossing the street.

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She didn't warn you about that lady on the corner after you crossed the street?
That 6'11 lady in the leopard pants and push up bra with the expiring contract?

I grew up in northern MN, not Amsterdam.

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