Shams: Jrue for Simons

[ReggiesKnicks]

Can't lie. I double-checked that this was the real Shams account when I saw it. Then came here cuz I still didn't quite believe it.

Value seems decent, but I'm not really sure on Simons' value. BOS didn't pay, and got picks, but we haven't cleared much salary yet either. Once Gafford was resigned, BOS move on, lol.

Here is what I said on Friday, June 13th.

I am starting to come around to the idea Jrue is at worst neutral and teams would pay something of value for him, but not at the cost of a 0 income salary and moving up in the draft.

Jrue is a positive value asset in the league, unless someone believes Simons to be negative.

[zimpy27]

Can't lie. I double-checked that this was the real Shams account when I saw it. Then came here cuz I still didn't quite believe it.

Value seems decent, but I'm not really sure on Simons' value. BOS didn't pay, and got picks, but we haven't cleared much salary yet either. Once Gafford was resigned, BOS move on, lol.

Value is better than expected. I think Jrue for Simons is fair. The SRPs to Boston are a steal IMO.

[Myth]

The more I process this, the more I hate it. Get rid of that Jrue contract in a follow up trade please.

[djFan71]

Can't lie. I double-checked that this was the real Shams account when I saw it. Then came here cuz I still didn't quite believe it.

Value seems decent, but I'm not really sure on Simons' value. BOS didn't pay, and got picks, but we haven't cleared much salary yet either. Once Gafford was resigned, BOS move on, lol.

Here is what I said on Friday, June 13th.

I am starting to come around to the idea Jrue is at worst neutral and teams would pay something of value for him, but not at the cost of a 0 income salary and moving up in the draft.

Yeah, this seems lower than Brad or I was hoping, but not "pay to get off him" low. It's slightly positive overall, I think.

[facothomas22]

I'm quite surprised that flipping Jrue Holiday didn't include them giving draft capital for Anferee Simons and actually got some picks backs. You would think Holiday is a negative value at this point in his career considering his awful contract. The Blazers got fleeced.

[JRoy]

The more I process this, the more I hate it. Get rid of that Jrue contract in a follow up trade please.

For Beal and FRP?

[hugepatsfan]

My god though do I really hate this CBA. Granted, Tatum is injured but this deal probably happens anyway due to the 2nd apron. A top 5ish player in the game having his team move such an awesome championship level supporting piece for an empty stats player like this because of money is not good for the game. I understand that people wanted to break up some of the super teams but THIS does not make for a more compelling league. This is watered down competition. Yuck.

[djFan71]

Ok, so guess what threads I'll be making soon, lol. ORL probably out, so who's left on the Simons market?

[tmorgan]

Can't lie. I double-checked that this was the real Shams account when I saw it. Then came here cuz I still didn't quite believe it.

Value seems decent, but I'm not really sure on Simons' value. BOS didn't pay, and got picks, but we haven't cleared much salary yet either. Once Gafford was resigned, BOS move on, lol.

Here is what I said on Friday, June 13th.

I am starting to come around to the idea Jrue is at worst neutral and teams would pay something of value for him, but not at the cost of a 0 income salary and moving up in the draft.

Jrue is a positive value asset in the league, unless someone believes Simons to be negative.

I think Simons WAS a negative, but as an expiring, he at least approaches neutral. His overall profile probably isn’t worth 27 mil, and his contributions are horribly lopsided towards offense, but he’s playable if you aren’t serious about contending or have a whole lot of defensive backup for him.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Can't lie. I double-checked that this was the real Shams account when I saw it. Then came here cuz I still didn't quite believe it.

Value seems decent, but I'm not really sure on Simons' value. BOS didn't pay, and got picks, but we haven't cleared much salary yet either. Once Gafford was resigned, BOS move on, lol.

Value is better than expected. I think Jrue for Simons is fair. The SRPs to Boston are a steal IMO.

2 2nds does not make a deal a steal, especially picks in 2030 and 2031

Just to let you get an idea of what 2 future 2nds are worth that far in the future, moving up from ~#45 to #35 in the draft. That's what 2 future 2nds are valued at.

[Scoot McGroot]

Can't lie. I double-checked that this was the real Shams account when I saw it. Then came here cuz I still didn't quite believe it.

Value seems decent, but I'm not really sure on Simons' value. BOS didn't pay, and got picks, but we haven't cleared much salary yet either. Once Gafford was resigned, BOS move on, lol.

Here is what I said on Friday, June 13th.

I am starting to come around to the idea Jrue is at worst neutral and teams would pay something of value for him, but not at the cost of a 0 income salary and moving up in the draft.

Yeah, this seems lower than Brad or I was hoping, but not "pay to get off him" low. It's slightly positive overall, I think.

The nearly $5m in cap cut is almost $45m in total cash savings between cap/tax. Can’t get under the 2nd apron in one move, let alone the tax. But this is a start. See what any KP move possibility might bring and work from there.

[djFan71]

I actually do like it for POR, even with the $. Same reasons I said for Utah in the rumors thread. Great, great influence to have around the young guys, and he's not decrepit or anything. His D is still legit, and he orchestrated everything for BOS. The offense should pick up out of the BOS role. And, not having a long playoff run or Olympics should have him fresh and ready to go.

[zimpy27]

Can't lie. I double-checked that this was the real Shams account when I saw it. Then came here cuz I still didn't quite believe it.

Value seems decent, but I'm not really sure on Simons' value. BOS didn't pay, and got picks, but we haven't cleared much salary yet either. Once Gafford was resigned, BOS move on, lol.

Value is better than expected. I think Jrue for Simons is fair. The SRPs to Boston are a steal IMO.

2 2nds does not make a deal a steal, especially picks in 2030 and 2031

Just to let you get an idea of what 2 future 2nds are worth that far in the future, moving up from ~#45 to #35 in the draft. That's what 2 future 2nds are valued at.

I didn't say the deal was a steal, I said the SRPs were.

[facothomas22]

what in the world? Boston did great here

The Blazers got fleeced into taking Jrue Holiday's contract without draft compensation,while also giving up Simons, who should be worth a 1st round pick. Then again, maybe Simons doesn't hold as much value as I thought.

[jbk1234]

So the Blazers traded Jrue to the Celtics for damaged goods and two future firsts, the Celtics overpaid him, and then returned him for a couple of seconds and an expiring.

The Celtics got a chip out of it so that part is a win. No idea what the Blazers are doing unless they've already made a decision on paying Sharpe and possibly Scoot. Deni is going to get paid.

[djFan71]

Here is what I said on Friday, June 13th.

Yeah, this seems lower than Brad or I was hoping, but not "pay to get off him" low. It's slightly positive overall, I think.

The nearly $5m in cap cut is almost $45m in total cash savings between cap/tax. Can’t get under the 2nd apron in one move, let alone the tax. But this is a start. See what any KP move possibility might bring and work from there.

Yeah, definitely. That and Hauser for no $ back saves a LOT in real money. With the ultimate goal under of at least under the 2nd apron it means either Simons moves again or KP. I tend to think it's Simons and keep KP, but I obviously didn't see this part coming, so...

[tmorgan]

My god though do I really hate this CBA. Granted, Tatum is injured but this deal probably happens anyway due to the 2nd apron. A top 5ish player in the game having his team move such an awesome championship level supporting piece for an empty stats player like this because of money is not good for the game. I understand that people wanted to break up some of the super teams but THIS does not make for a more compelling league. This is watered down competition. Yuck.

I understand that frustration from a Boston fan perspective, but really, what were the odds Jrue would be both healthy and effective in 26-27 and 27-28? That’s all you’re really giving up here, and I don’t think your odds were that good.

[hugepatsfan]

I'm quite surprised that flipping Jrue Holiday didn't include them giving draft capital for Anferee Simons and actually got some picks backs. You would think Holiday is a negative value at this point in his career considering his awful contract. The Blazers got fleeced.

I think a lot of people overstated Jrue’s decline. Or at least mischaracterized it. He was terrible on corner 3s a year after setting an all time record for percentage on them. That was real “decline” but doesn’t seem like an actual trend, just shooting variance year to year. Otherwise, he was still really the same as the year before yet propped weirdly acted like he was worse. High risk of decline at his age and contract length, but it hasn’t happened to a large degree yet. He’s still an awesome player, just low usage so not counting stats type of guy. Not surprised he was still valued to some degree, though this definitely wasn’t the team I expected to value him.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Value is better than expected. I think Jrue for Simons is fair. The SRPs to Boston are a steal IMO.

2 2nds does not make a deal a steal, especially picks in 2030 and 2031

Just to let you get an idea of what 2 future 2nds are worth that far in the future, moving up from ~#45 to #35 in the draft. That's what 2 future 2nds are valued at.

I didn't say the deal was a steal, I said the SRPs were.

I know, and my point is if you think two players are similar value or fair, whichever team is getting 2 2nds isn't a "steal" because the value is marginal and minimal.

Let me put it another way: if you had a trade where you thought it was fair, any trade, adding 2 2nds to either side, 2 2nds which are 5-6 years out, they shouldn't affect your view on the deal one way or another. There is going to be wiggle room in trades, unless you are narrow-minded, and 2 2nds is definitely within the realm of wiggle room on a trade, especially for a player as good as Jrue Holiday (Top 100-ish).

[Myth]

The more I process this, the more I hate it. Get rid of that Jrue contract in a follow up trade please.

For Beal and FRP?

Better be a good FRP. I kind of understood Beal for Grant’s contract, but Simons expiring essentially for Beal and a weak pick is a disaster.