Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley

[HumbleRen]

RJ for Deandre Ayton wouldn’t surprise me.

[Boogie!]

People do realize that bobby has been the gm for years right? He’s the guy making these trades not masai…

Nah only the good moves were Masai, all the bad ones were Bobby.

We'll soon find out based on the moves what Bobby is really made of because hes gotten very little credit thus far in his career.

It’s all perception it has nothing to do with the fact he has been the gm the entire time. Just because everyone ignorantly kept assuming masai was still burdening himself with gm decisions doesn’t mean it’s true. It’s like no one knows how chain of command works. The president doesn’t do any heavy lifting

[Scase]

he averaged 20/7/5 per 36 on above avg efficiency. good impact stats last year offensively. He's fine as a starting PG. Not a star but a fine starter

Per 100 is usually a more "respected" projection stat, per36 is not a great indicator. But overall his defence has been pretty crappy, he's overpaid until he proves otherwise.

per 36 is fine for starters imo. its not great for bench players obviously. we held down IQ's minutes last year in our half ass attempt to tank

Per 36 would suggest him taking 17FGA based on this year, that is beyond absurd, he will never do that his entire career. It also assumes the player takes a massive step in volume while maintaining exactly the same efficiency, which I'm sure I don't need to tell you how stupid that is lol.

IQ will never put up 22/5/8 on 57% TS% lol. IQ is not bad, he is overpaid for what we have received.

[Tor_Raps]

Nah only the good moves were Masai, all the bad ones were Bobby.

We'll soon find out based on the moves what Bobby is really made of because hes gotten very little credit thus far in his career.

It’s all perception it has nothing to do with the fact he has been the gm the entire time. Just because everyone ignorantly kept assuming masai was still burdening himself with gm decisions doesn’t mean it’s true. It’s like no one knows how chain of command works. The president doesn’t do any heavy lifting

Day to day stuff sure but youre following yourself if you don't think President has say on all major decisions.

[WWSRD]

People do realize that bobby has been the gm for years right? He’s the guy making these trades not masai…

You don’t know that.

I don’t know that bobby is the gm and the gm is the responsible for making trades? Bobby is the one that made the kawhi trade

Just stop.

[WaltFrazier]

Bobby about to be unleashed

He’s about to go crazy with the trades now that he’s the final decision maker

He might just do that, knowing the team is searching for a new pres. He'll want to make his mark in the short term

[Godaddycurse]

Per 100 is usually a more "respected" projection stat, per36 is not a great indicator. But overall his defence has been pretty crappy, he's overpaid until he proves otherwise.

per 36 is fine for starters imo. its not great for bench players obviously. we held down IQ's minutes last year in our half ass attempt to tank

Per 36 would suggest him taking 17FGA based on this year, that is beyond absurd, he will never do that his entire career. It also assumes the player takes a massive step in volume while maintaining exactly the same efficiency, which I'm sure I don't need to tell you how stupid that is lol.

IQ will never put up 22/5/8 on 57% TS% lol. IQ is not bad, he is overpaid for what we have received.

He played over 33mpg in 23-24 for us and shot 15 attempts/game. 19/7/5 at similar TS. He is capable of 20/7/5 as a starter

[BillNyeBballGuy]

I thought RJ looked pretty good this season from the limited games I saw. Quickley has injury concerns and a bloated contract. Both are still young though and are probably not worth much in a trade, so I think you hang on to them for now to see how the new team gels and then reassess.

[WaltFrazier]

Yes I think we can do much better than IQ and I'm not a fan of his contract.

Don’t know why people are so low on IQ.
He actually played pretty well after returning from a major injury.

Give him a full season before giving up on him.

I think he’ll excel as that 3rd guy. Ingram and Scottie will create a lot of wide open spot up opportunities for him.

Give him a season sounds like Masai patient approach. Will Bobby feel like he can wait like that? Or will he want to make a splash, to make his mark as the new guy in charge?

[LoveMyRaps]

Yes I think we can do much better than IQ and I'm not a fan of his contract.

Don’t know why people are so low on IQ.
He actually played pretty well after returning from a major injury.

Give him a full season before giving up on him.

I think he’ll excel as that 3rd guy. Ingram and Scottie will create a lot of wide open spot up opportunities for him.

I rather Barnes start at PG than him.

Barnes
IQ
Ochai
Ingram
Poeltl

I’m fine with that. Or we move RJ for a 3&D SF/PF.

[tdotrep2]

RJ for Deandre Ayton wouldn’t surprise me.

this is a move you make when you've exhausted all other options.

[Tor_Raps]

Anyone who says they want to see Barnes as the full time PG clearly hasn't been watching or understanding what theyre watching.

Dude has no business being full time in that role... he's a PF who can handle the ball and make great decisions, which doesnt make you a PG.

[HumbleRen]

RJ for Deandre Ayton wouldn’t surprise me.

this is a move you make when you've exhausted all other options.

It’s a move you make when you’re trying to relive some salary.

Ayton is on an expiring contract. 35M off the books next summer if we do that trade. Sign to him to a cheap deal in the off szn to be our back up big. I doubt anyone will offer him a big contract.

[___Rand___]

I swear if we keep trading players because of their flaws we'd never have a team. RJ has looked better with us because our playstyle suits him better. Look at Pacers. Turner was a guy Pacers have been trying to trade for years and NOBODY wanted him. Now he's an essential piece of a Finals run, 1 win away from championship. OB Toppin is an extremely flawed player who wouldn't work for most teams. Pacers live with his flaws and he's been a positive contributor off the bench. Hali is a terrible defender and doesn't have a quick 1st step and if he was on Raptors you'd all tear him to shreds and want to trade him.

We have had a history of drafting raw defensive talent acquiring them and it hasn't gotten us anywhere for a while now. Take a page from Pacers. Accept the flaws of your players. What are the schemes that compliments and enhances their strengths so that their strengths outweigh their weaknesses? After all, who CARES as long as we get 1 more point than the other team?

Searching for perfect player is why so many great girls are single. Because Mister Perfect doesn't exist! Or is already taken! Stop dreaming! MAKE IT WORK.

[S.W.A.N]

Ayton is not happening that is crazy talk.

That we are shopping RJ and IQ still is not a shock.

Seems pretty clear that ownership has given a win now mandate. And that Masai was basically fired a month ago. Thus all the RJ and IQ talks of the last month were not related to Masai trying to keep his job.

I still think a Cam Johnson plus another good player for RJ is the best option. 3 team deal.

[Madvillainy2004]

Yes I think we can do much better than IQ and I'm not a fan of his contract.

Don’t know why people are so low on IQ.
He actually played pretty well after returning from a major injury.

Give him a full season before giving up on him.

I think he’ll excel as that 3rd guy. Ingram and Scottie will create a lot of wide open spot up opportunities for him.

I rather Barnes start at PG than him.

This scottie barnes PG fantasy needs to stop lmao he can't do it we've seen him try for 4 seasons. He doesn't have the shooting/finishing or handle to be a PG.

[tdotrep2]

Ayton is not happening that is crazy talk.

That we are shopping RJ and IQ still is not a shock.

Seems pretty clear that ownership has given a win now mandate. And that Masai was basically fired a month ago. Thus all the RJ and IQ talks of the last month were not related to Masai trying to keep his job.

I still think a Cam Johnson plus another good player for RJ is the best option. 3 team deal.

rj for ayton is not outside the realm of possibility. Portland will be shopping ayton and we could use another center. Also like humble mentioned he is an expiring. I do think they will explore options like cam first but this is not crazy talk

[Boogie!]

Anyone who says they want to see Barnes as the full time PG clearly hasn't been watching or understanding what theyre watching.

Dude has no business being full time in that role... he's a PF who can handle the ball and make great decisions, which doesnt make you a PG.

Seen enough of Barnes to realize now that even his vision is only above average and he’s not some savant like jokic.

Also funny because some people act like Rj is this one dimensional black hole and Barnes is this amazing magic Johnson level pg… Barnes averaged 5.8 apg last season… Barrett 5.4…

[Scase]

per 36 is fine for starters imo. its not great for bench players obviously. we held down IQ's minutes last year in our half ass attempt to tank

Per 36 would suggest him taking 17FGA based on this year, that is beyond absurd, he will never do that his entire career. It also assumes the player takes a massive step in volume while maintaining exactly the same efficiency, which I'm sure I don't need to tell you how stupid that is lol.

IQ will never put up 22/5/8 on 57% TS% lol. IQ is not bad, he is overpaid for what we have received.

He played over 33mpg in 23-24 for us and shot 15 attempts/game. 19/7/5 at similar TS. He is capable of 20/7/5 as a starter

I'm going to need a little more than 38 games in a season where we finished with 25 wins.

[Westside Gunn]

You won't get much for IQ - its a rich new deal and he's been injured. No one will take on that risk. If someone does, you will probably be taking on another bloated contract for a player on the decline. That's why I think its better to stick with IQ, and if he stays healthy, he should be reaching his potential as he showed in the limited games he played last year.

RJ is tradeable with a strong season last year and considerable improvement after leaving improvement. If you can make the team better by trading for him by all means go for it, but if its trading for the sake of trading him for a lateral move will just go to show this team doesn't want to do a proper rebuild.