Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley

[HumbleRen]

I don't know about IQs defence I feel like it could be much better.

It will be with a SG who can play defence beside him.

The its gotta be Ochai or Jakobe unless we trade RJ and IQ I dout we get a new SG coming back. RJ is gonna be for a big.

It’ll be Ochai or Jakobe. Most likely Jakobe.

[PushDaRock]

per 36 is fine for starters imo. its not great for bench players obviously. we held down IQ's minutes last year in our half ass attempt to tank

Per 36 would suggest him taking 17FGA based on this year, that is beyond absurd, he will never do that his entire career. It also assumes the player takes a massive step in volume while maintaining exactly the same efficiency, which I'm sure I don't need to tell you how stupid that is lol.

IQ will never put up 22/5/8 on 57% TS% lol. IQ is not bad, he is overpaid for what we have received.

per36 suggesting IQ taking 17 FGA in 36 minutes is "absurd" but 23 FGA in 100 possessions isn't? They're both projection stats that give you an idea what a player is capable of if their minutes/usage are ramped up a bit. If one is absurd, so is the other lol. The reality is IQ has averaged 18/4/6 on 57 TS% in ~30 MPG as a Raptor despite some rust/injuries and cold stretches. His "bad" defence is being blown out of proportion as we've seen him be a good/impactful defender in New York and he has the tools to be an above average defender at his position. The fact that he has played most of his minutes in Toronto with a combination of inexperienced players while also playing through injury/working off rust in large chunks of his ~70 games is likely playing a pretty big role in how he has looked on that end.

He's a guy that can probably give you 20/5/5 type numbers on high three-point volume at a well-above average conversion rate as the 3rd option while being a solid defender. 32.5M in the current NBA landscape has IQ outside of the top 50 most paid players while he'll probably be closer to 100 by the end of his contract. Pretty good for a guy heading into his prime that has an elite skill (three-point shooting) and can put up points in a hurry while not giving away points on the other end.

lol seriously makes no sense, they're both stats showing how productive the player is in their mins played. So odd how someone would take per 100 stats seriously but not per 36 lol

[S.W.A.N]

rj for ayton is not outside the realm of possibility. Portland will be shopping ayton and we could use another center. Also like humble mentioned he is an expiring. I do think they will explore options like cam first but this is not crazy talk

ayton is a no motor big. we are also going to extend yak so we are not going to pay money to retain ayton. if we want to dump rj for an expiring then draft compensation would probably be worth more than ayton.

secondly, ayton makes $7 mil more than rj so we'd have to part with one of our young players to make the salaries match. so this trade is not an option.

I don’t think you guys exactly realize how invaluable RJ is to the league. We are not getting draft compensation for RJ without taking bad a horrendous contract in return.

A good backup center that’s on an expiring would be a great outcome to get RJ off the books for MLSE.

He was a throw in for a reason in the OG trade, we did not suddenly change his perception around the league with his play under us.

No. RJ is a better player and contract. And you'd have to add Ochai to make the salary work. its dumb portland doesnt want this deal and raps dont either

[HumbleRen]

ayton is a no motor big. we are also going to extend yak so we are not going to pay money to retain ayton. if we want to dump rj for an expiring then draft compensation would probably be worth more than ayton.

secondly, ayton makes $7 mil more than rj so we'd have to part with one of our young players to make the salaries match. so this trade is not an option.

I don’t think you guys exactly realize how invaluable RJ is to the league. We are not getting draft compensation for RJ without taking bad a horrendous contract in return.

A good backup center that’s on an expiring would be a great outcome to get RJ off the books for MLSE.

He was a throw in for a reason in the OG trade, we did not suddenly change his perception around the league with his play under us.

No. RJ is a better player and contract. And you'd have to add Ochai to make the salary work. its dumb portland doesnt want this deal and raps dont either

RJ isn’t the better contract because Ayton is on an expiring one.

Raps would gladly do this trade, not sure about Portland.

[Pointgod]

This roster is kind of stuck in the middle right now that there’s really not a lot of good options. They’re bumping up against the luxury tax and other teams know this. If they have to attach a pick to get off Barrett, that’s just poor asset management. I like Quickley but don’t see how he fits with Ingram. Same problems we had with Fred, OG and Siakam. No spacing, not enough 3 point threats, no back up center, although our bench should be better.

All this with new President who will want to make his mark on the team. Let’s just hope whoever it is doesn’t double down on trading more picks for mid talent.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

Unless u can trade iq for an upgrade like garland, just keep him.

Rj is the expandable one. Too much talent at the 2 who can takeover. Ochai, Walker, Dick, now Martin

Is CMB a backup 4? Or is he considered both a 3 & 4? We need an actual back up 3 (and obviously 5)

What would a garland trade look like? IQ + Dick?

Garland/shead
Ochai/martin
Ingram/walker
Scottie/cmb
Poeltl/mogbo?

[LarSiN]

I don’t think you guys exactly realize how invaluable RJ is to the league. We are not getting draft compensation for RJ without taking bad a horrendous contract in return.

A good backup center that’s on an expiring would be a great outcome to get RJ off the books for MLSE.

He was a throw in for a reason in the OG trade, we did not suddenly change his perception around the league with his play under us.

No. RJ is a better player and contract. And you'd have to add Ochai to make the salary work. its dumb portland doesnt want this deal and raps dont either

RJ isn’t the better contract because Ayton is on an expiring one.

Raps would gladly do this trade, not sure about Portland.

If TOR would "gladly" trade RJ + Ochai for Ayton, it would've been done weeks ago.

[Mattatron]

No. RJ is a better player and contract. And you'd have to add Ochai to make the salary work. its dumb portland doesnt want this deal and raps dont either

RJ isn’t the better contract because Ayton is on an expiring one.

Raps would gladly do this trade, not sure about Portland.

If TOR would "gladly" trade RJ + Ochai for Ayton, it would've been done weeks ago.

not sure about Portland.


You're not getting an upgrade for Barrett. A downgrade, a shorter contract, or maybe two rotational pieces. That's it. He's horrible. IQ too. Masai **** up with that OG trade. That's so bad. That was a Rob Babcock Move.

[Shakril]

No. RJ is a better player and contract. And you'd have to add Ochai to make the salary work. its dumb portland doesnt want this deal and raps dont either

RJ isn’t the better contract because Ayton is on an expiring one.

Raps would gladly do this trade, not sure about Portland.

If TOR would "gladly" trade RJ + Ochai for Ayton, it would've been done weeks ago.

Agreed. This trade would be insanely stupid. We would give up 2 assets for a **** player. No thank you.

[kwajo]

RJ for Deandre Ayton wouldn’t surprise me.

Didn’t Ayton have issues getting to practice or a game one time because of icy road conditions in Portland, Oregon of all places. If he comes to Toronto he’ll miss half the season once the winter hits.

[Raptors Realtor]

This roster is kind of stuck in the middle right now that there’s really not a lot of good options. They’re bumping up against the luxury tax and other teams know this. If they have to attach a pick to get off Barrett, that’s just poor asset management. I like Quickley but don’t see how he fits with Ingram. Same problems we had with Fred, OG and Siakam. No spacing, not enough 3 point threats, no back up center, although our bench should be better.

All this with new President who will want to make his mark on the team. Let’s just hope whoever it is doesn’t double down on trading more picks for mid talent.

There's no chance they'd attach a pick just to get off RJ's contract... I think if they deal RJ it's for the purpose of balancing the roster and getting Dick/Walter more minutes, not just a salary dump.

[CPT]

Going to test the ol’ toxic asset hypothesis, and I assume they’ll find out nobody wants to offer much of value for RJ.

I’m still hoping Dumars is dumb enough to think he’s a young 20+ ppg scorer who has chemistry with Zion.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

We really got fleeced by the Knicks in that OG trade.. Made the Siakam trade look decent which is bad. Should have just traded OG for 1st rounders rather than some mediocre players.

[Raptors Realtor]

We really got fleeced by the Knicks in that OG trade.. Made the Siakam trade look decent which is bad. Should have just traded OG for 1st rounders rather than some mediocre players.

Not sure how you can come to that conclusion already... We haven't really seen the team play together much, IQ only played 33 games last season and RJ is still only 25. I think people forget how much we were struggling to score as a team prior to the trade, our offense immediately improved because both guys can self-create.

[bobbyp3588]

I don’t think you guys exactly realize how invaluable RJ is to the league. We are not getting draft compensation for RJ without taking bad a horrendous contract in return.

A good backup center that’s on an expiring would be a great outcome to get RJ off the books for MLSE.

He was a throw in for a reason in the OG trade, we did not suddenly change his perception around the league with his play under us.

No. RJ is a better player and contract. And you'd have to add Ochai to make the salary work. its dumb portland doesnt want this deal and raps dont either

RJ isn’t the better contract because Ayton is on an expiring one.

Raps would gladly do this trade, not sure about Portland.

@ me when RJ is actually no longer a Raptor. Try to remember though cuz it’ll be about 9-10 years from now. RJ will be a Raptor for life. Take it to the bank.

[Madvillainy2004]

OG basically demanded New York and the whole league knew it so there wasn't a lot of options for us lol

[Pointgod]

This roster is kind of stuck in the middle right now that there’s really not a lot of good options. They’re bumping up against the luxury tax and other teams know this. If they have to attach a pick to get off Barrett, that’s just poor asset management. I like Quickley but don’t see how he fits with Ingram. Same problems we had with Fred, OG and Siakam. No spacing, not enough 3 point threats, no back up center, although our bench should be better.

All this with new President who will want to make his mark on the team. Let’s just hope whoever it is doesn’t double down on trading more picks for mid talent.

There's no chance they'd attach a pick just to get off RJ's contract... I think if they deal RJ it's for the purpose of balancing the roster and getting Dick/Walter more minutes, not just a salary dump.

It’s going to be hard to get off RJ’s money unless you’re taking back a worse player on a smaller but longer contract. This is the unfortunate reality of the CBA and impact of the aprons. But you have to think about it from the other teams side. What’s the incentive?

[TGM]

People just crapping on RJ. His value is not as bad as people make it. RJ is on a very reasonable contract is 24 and still improving. I’m honestly a bit torn on trading the guy. I think his game will continue to improve like Derozan.

IQ is the guy I rather move and let Barnes play point.

IQ is way too streaky of a player. RJ at least shows some level of consistency. Also if we made the playoff a last year people wouldn’t be talking about RJ like this. If anything I wouldn’t mind extending him for another 5 years in the 20-25 million range.

I would only move RJ if it was a consolidation trade. He is not a guy we should look to dump.

[ArthurVandelay]

People just crapping on RJ. His value is not as bad as people make it. RJ is on a very reasonable contract is 24 and still improving. I’m honestly a bit torn on trading the guy. I think his game will continue to improve like Derozan.

IQ is the guy I rather move and let Barnes play point.

IQ is way too streaky of a player. RJ at least shows some level of consistency. Also if we made the playoff a last year people wouldn’t be talking about RJ like this. If anything I wouldn’t mind extending him for another 5 years in the 20-25 million range.

I would only move RJ if it was a consolidation trade. He is not a guy we should look to dump.

I thought last season put to rest any ideas of PG Scottie. If he is a PG, he’s an awful one.

I agree on RJ.

[PushDaRock]

If you're not getting value for him, what is even the rush to get RJ off the roster? We still don't have enough scoring talent on this team and people want to dump him when Gradey and Walter have not shown they are ready to fill in yet. Let those guys keep developing and if they show enough to make RJ expendable, then we can worry about it then.