Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley

[ATLTimekeeper]

If you're not getting value for him, what is even the rush to get RJ off the roster? We still don't have enough scoring talent on this team and people want to dump him when Gradey and Walter have not shown they are ready to fill in yet. Let those guys keep developing and if they show enough to make RJ expendable, then we can worry about it then.

That it's RJ or IQ tells you they just need to clean they cap and touches up a bit with the Ingram acquisition.

[PushDaRock]

If you're not getting value for him, what is even the rush to get RJ off the roster? We still don't have enough scoring talent on this team and people want to dump him when Gradey and Walter have not shown they are ready to fill in yet. Let those guys keep developing and if they show enough to make RJ expendable, then we can worry about it then.

That it's RJ or IQ tells you they just need to clean they cap and touches up a bit with the Ingram acquisition.

That's still a move you can make after the season starts and after you see how the on court fit looks.

[sidsid]

If you're not getting value for him, what is even the rush to get RJ off the roster? We still don't have enough scoring talent on this team and people want to dump him when Gradey and Walter have not shown they are ready to fill in yet. Let those guys keep developing and if they show enough to make RJ expendable, then we can worry about it then.

Salary/cap/tax maneuvering.

The FO wanted him sent back in the BI trade and I'm pretty sure having to dance around this close to the tax with mostly high salaries wasn't the scenario they wanted.

That's why I think the KD scenario was also interesting to them. Even if he leaves, you're moving off a ton of salary and opening up cap.

I just don't see that expiring being available now. If we could have done the CJ trade it would have happened.

So you're looking at scenarios where maybe you're absorbing a smaller bad contract and getting relief on the rest, but perusing the trade machine I don't see a ton of those (maybe Grant in Charlotte).

The dynamic that works is combining him with a valued asset, and that gets back to Jak. You can see where you send Jak to the Lakers for those picks, and send some lesser compensation to the Blazers for one of their bigs and matching contracts if needed to absorb RJ works. That gets you the full cap space play

[Pointgod]

People just crapping on RJ. His value is not as bad as people make it. RJ is on a very reasonable contract is 24 and still improving. I’m honestly a bit torn on trading the guy. I think his game will continue to improve like Derozan.

IQ is the guy I rather move and let Barnes play point.

IQ is way too streaky of a player. RJ at least shows some level of consistency. Also if we made the playoff a last year people wouldn’t be talking about RJ like this. If anything I wouldn’t mind extending him for another 5 years in the 20-25 million range.

I would only move RJ if it was a consolidation trade. He is not a guy we should look to dump.

RJ is a player that we’ve been tried to move during the season. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

It’s pretty simple when you look at the money. We’re close to the luxury tax, Poeltl will want an extension next season, Ochai will need to be extended next season if we want to keep him and then there’s the argument that RJ is redundant as a ball handler with Ingram, Barnes, Quickley and Ochai is a much better fit with his ability to space the floor and defend.

So RJ could be the odd man out, especially if you want to develop Dick, Walter, and Shead.

[Raptorfan2012]

I thought maybe the Bulls would want RJ buy they just traded for Okoro. What other team needs a scoring wing? I can only think of the Nets. Maybe the Pistons for Stewart?

[NinjaBro]

@ me when RJ is actually no longer a Raptor. Try to remember though cuz it’ll be about 9-10 years from now. RJ will be a Raptor for life. Take it to the bank.

We're retiring RJ's jersey.

[Rapsalot]

I would keep IQ as he played well down the stretch and healthy.

RJB look I like the dude and he played very good for us but he is too high paid if 4th option is his future.
I would try to move him or Ochai to ad big and make us less susceptible to Jak health issues and being under a barrel in extension talks.

[HumbleRen]

RJ isn’t the better contract because Ayton is on an expiring one.

Raps would gladly do this trade, not sure about Portland.

If TOR would "gladly" trade RJ + Ochai for Ayton, it would've been done weeks ago.

Agreed. This trade would be insanely stupid. We would give up 2 assets for a **** player. No thank you.

Again, you guys are operating as if RJ is an ASSET. He isn’t.

Like I truly feel kinda bad for some of your guys who truly think he’s a desirable player in this league lol. I shouldn’t be too surprised because part of the fandom still clings on to Demar till this day but man lol.

[HumbleRen]

People just crapping on RJ. His value is not as bad as people make it. RJ is on a very reasonable contract is 24 and still improving. I’m honestly a bit torn on trading the guy. I think his game will continue to improve like Derozan.

IQ is the guy I rather move and let Barnes play point.

IQ is way too streaky of a player. RJ at least shows some level of consistency. Also if we made the playoff a last year people wouldn’t be talking about RJ like this. If anything I wouldn’t mind extending him for another 5 years in the 20-25 million range.

I would only move RJ if it was a consolidation trade. He is not a guy we should look to dump.

Insane plan. We are in 2025 my guy, Scottie being a legit PG is as smart as believing RJ will suddenly turn into a high impact player in his 7th season. We need to let go of that dream.

[bobbyp3588]

If TOR would "gladly" trade RJ + Ochai for Ayton, it would've been done weeks ago.

Agreed. This trade would be insanely stupid. We would give up 2 assets for a **** player. No thank you.

Again, you guys are operating as if RJ is an ASSET. He isn’t.

Like I truly feel kinda bad for some of your guys who truly think he’s a desirable player in this league lol. I shouldn’t be too surprised because part of the fandom still clings on to Demar till this day but man lol.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree , but I feel you’re so out to lunch on this topic.

Normally you seem to have a great understanding of things, but for some reason you’ve got a blind spot going on where RJ is concerned. Your hate is simply irrational.

[HumbleRen]

Agreed. This trade would be insanely stupid. We would give up 2 assets for a **** player. No thank you.

Again, you guys are operating as if RJ is an ASSET. He isn’t.

Like I truly feel kinda bad for some of your guys who truly think he’s a desirable player in this league lol. I shouldn’t be too surprised because part of the fandom still clings on to Demar till this day but man lol.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree , but I feel you’re so out to lunch on this topic.

Normally you seem to have a great understanding of things, but for some reason you’ve got a blind spot going on where RJ is concerned. Your hate is simply irrational.

He was a throw in for salary reasons in the OG trade. Do you think he’s suddenly went from that to becoming an asset where we can get real draft compensation for? Did I miss something in the last year and a half?

I get that he’s Canadian and that he plays hard offence but we can’t let that shape our narratives on who RJ is in this league.

[Mark_83]

We'd have to add some more value going the other way, but this works in the trade checker:

[Tor_Raps]

We'd have to add some more value going the other way, but this works in the trade checker:

So you want to trade our starting PG, which only leaves Shead as the remaining PG, for another SG when we have RJ/Ochai/Dick/Walter there already? Lol

[Mark_83]

We'd have to add some more value going the other way, but this works in the trade checker:

So you want to trade our starting PG, which only leaves Shead as the remaining PG, for another SG when we have RJ/Ochai/Dick/Walter there already? Lol

They're literally shopping him. That's the topic of the thread. Maybe they're tearing **** down.

[Tor_Raps]

We'd have to add some more value going the other way, but this works in the trade checker:

So you want to trade our starting PG, which only leaves Shead as the remaining PG, for another SG when we have RJ/Ochai/Dick/Walter there already? Lol

They're literally shopping him. That's the topic of the thread. Maybe they're tearing **** down.

Yes but he would most likely get replaced with another PG since we don't have enough depth at the position unlike SG...

[Mark_83]

So you want to trade our starting PG, which only leaves Shead as the remaining PG, for another SG when we have RJ/Ochai/Dick/Walter there already? Lol

They're literally shopping him. That's the topic of the thread. Maybe they're tearing **** down.

Yes but he would most likely get replaced with another PG since we don't have enough depth at the position unlike SG...

"Most likely" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. You could sign a stopgap point guard or trade from our surplus of shooting guards for a point guard. Trades can be asymmetrical.

[TimeForChange]

Just move Ochai to the starting lineup.

Bring RJ and Gradey off the bench and play them with Shead, Mogbo and CMB to mask their defensive abilities.

IQ/Shead
Ochai/RJ
BI/Gradey
Scottie/Mogbo
Jak/CMB

CMB should be strong enough to guard back up centers in the east.

[HumbleRen]

Just move Ochai to the starting lineup.

Bring RJ and Gradey off the bench and play them with Shead, Mogbo and CMB to mask their defensive abilities.

IQ/Shead
Ochai/RJ
BI/Gradey
Scottie/Mogbo
Jak/CMB

CMB should be strong enough to guard back up centers in the east.

Try telling a dude who’s trying to earn more than his last contract to come off the bench lol.

[ItsDanger]

Many teams will touch base with Bobby to revisit individual player valuations. There's likely a perception that Masai may or may not have influenced prior discussions even if Bobby had official authority.

[traps#10]

Who are the Cs we can realistically target?

Either a rim runner C or a stretch C.