Shams: Bobby Promoted to "Final Decision Maker of Basketball (still GM) " update pg. 27

[Nature]

If Bobby was in charge of the Poeltl and Thad trades then he is immediately disqualified.

[YogurtProducer]

Also just wanna say, Masai crying during the press conference when he traded Demar is mickey mouse. Empathy is a good trait to have as a person but terrible for a GM. We need someone who's cutthroat. Someone who can have dinner with your wife and kids at your house and trade you to Minnesota the next night if he thinks it's best for the team.

So…. you want exactly what Masai was? Because that’s exactly what he did to Demar.

[OakleyDokely]

Also just wanna say, Masai crying during the press conference when he traded Demar is mickey mouse. Empathy is a good trait to have as a person but terrible for a GM. We need someone who's cutthroat. Someone who can have dinner with your wife and kids at your house and trade you to Minnesota the next night if he thinks it's best for the team.

So…. you want exactly what Masai was? Because that’s exactly what he did to Demar.

And everyone else on the roster except for Lowry.

Lowry was the only remaining player from the roster he inherited on the title team.

[Zeno]

Aside from rogers/masai feud, maybe they were not convinced this "rebuild" or "reset" wasn't to their liking and felt it was rushed

In that regard, I feel like they are more onboard with a quicker rebuild and Masai wanted to slow play it. Masai is more of a cautious slow building development guy. I think the Ingram trade was a Bobby asset play move. We had lots of ‘big fish rumours in the time that Masai was basically done as president. Jays go big game hunting constantly too.

[Psubs]

Rather bobby than elton brand or marc eversley. Elevating bobby would also mean we keep dan tolzman and the scouting staff intact

Dan Tolzman is the best! So he gets elevated to GM!!!

[WuTang_CMB]

Aside from rogers/masai feud, maybe they were not convinced this "rebuild" or "reset" wasn't to their liking and felt it was rushed

In that regard, I feel like they are more onboard with a quicker rebuild and Masai wanted to slow play it. Masai is more of a cautious slow building development guy. I think the Ingram trade was a Bobby asset play move. We had lots of ‘big fish rumours in the time that Masai was basically done as president. Jays go big game hunting constantly too.

Based on history, I think its the opposite. Masai trades for players not picks = wants to tread water rather than sinking. BI cost was low, still a good move whoever wanted it

[Tripod]

I mean, Masai was right in that Siakam did not fit the timeline the Raps were now working with. It was the right move not to extend. Should have traded him sooner though.

Not extending Pascal was not the right move. You extend him then trade him.

In this climate, it’s very hard to move large contracts that run 3-4 years. Our core needed to be moved.

Masai was wrong in how he treated some of his veteran players though. And it’s a shame because they put a lot of work in and helped us bring a championship.

Plus, Siakam on his contract for a non playoff team like we were expecting to be is looked at WAY worse than in Indy and the run they went on.

And reality is, there have been zero reports of great deals out their for Siakam or OG in the years before we moved them and when they were making less. Logic says them making more and being older isn't going to increase the value...not as a Raptor.

And I say the last part because look how OG was viewed in Toronto vs when he was in NY. They couldn't believe how good he was and the impact he made.

[Tha Cynic]

Give it to him. As bad as we've been the past 3 years, we need continuity. He understands the uniqueness of the market.

Bingo.
I dont see anyone better

Yeah agree. Bobby will understand this market and the culture we need here better than any external person. I would rather he just continue as president and make sure we focus on drafting and development which looks like it’s back to what it was during the Derozan and Lowry days

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

I think Bobby should slide over. It worked with Nick and Casey.

[YogurtProducer]

Also just wanna say, Masai crying during the press conference when he traded Demar is mickey mouse. Empathy is a good trait to have as a person but terrible for a GM. We need someone who's cutthroat. Someone who can have dinner with your wife and kids at your house and trade you to Minnesota the next night if he thinks it's best for the team.

So…. you want exactly what Masai was? Because that’s exactly what he did to Demar.

And everyone else on the roster except for Lowry.

Lowry was the only remaining player from the roster he inherited on the title team.

It is gonna be fun though watching this one article make all the haters shift from

“Masai hung onto players and had to many connections to the players”

To

“Why wouldn’t Masai extend Pascal?”

[OakleyDokely]

So…. you want exactly what Masai was? Because that’s exactly what he did to Demar.

And everyone else on the roster except for Lowry.

Lowry was the only remaining player from the roster he inherited on the title team.

It is gonna be fun though watching this one article make all the haters shift from

“Masai hung onto players and had to many connections to the players”

To

“Why wouldn’t Masai extend Pascal?”

Given that Masai operated in the only city outside of the US, I'd say he was pretty ruthless overall. A lot of other guys would've taken the safe route and kept DD and milked all that playoff money. He was patient to a point, but he'd eventually trade everyone except Lowry.

[The Warrior]

Why is everyone so keen to promote Bobby to president? What has he shown as GM that would warrant this level of praise and promotion? The president of operations job should be given to those with the highest calibre and he is not that. Are you all just bots?

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[PushDaRock]

Not extending Pascal was not the right move. You extend him then trade him.

In this climate, it’s very hard to move large contracts that run 3-4 years. Our core needed to be moved.

Masai was wrong in how he treated some of his veteran players though. And it’s a shame because they put a lot of work in and helped us bring a championship.

Plus, Siakam on his contract for a non playoff team like we were expecting to be is looked at WAY worse than in Indy and the run they went on.

And reality is, there have been zero reports of great deals out their for Siakam or OG in the years before we moved them and when they were making less. Logic says them making more and being older isn't going to increase the value...not as a Raptor.

And I say the last part because look how OG was viewed in Toronto vs when he was in NY. They couldn't believe how good he was and the impact he made.

Yup, something to keep in mind for our own players' value if we have a good winning season.

Someone like NAW just got 15m+ averaging less than 10 ppg, would anyone have paid for that production if he did it on a bad team?

[StopitLeo]

Many people called this.

Bobby becomes President, possibly retaining GM title for a bit longer (end of season?). Tolzman gets promoted from Assistant GM to GM at some point. I’m fine with that continuity.

[Tripod]

In this climate, it’s very hard to move large contracts that run 3-4 years. Our core needed to be moved.

Masai was wrong in how he treated some of his veteran players though. And it’s a shame because they put a lot of work in and helped us bring a championship.

Plus, Siakam on his contract for a non playoff team like we were expecting to be is looked at WAY worse than in Indy and the run they went on.

And reality is, there have been zero reports of great deals out their for Siakam or OG in the years before we moved them and when they were making less. Logic says them making more and being older isn't going to increase the value...not as a Raptor.

And I say the last part because look how OG was viewed in Toronto vs when he was in NY. They couldn't believe how good he was and the impact he made.

Yup, something to keep in mind for our own players' value if we have a good winning season.

Someone like NAW just got 15m+ averaging less than 10 ppg, would anyone have paid for that production if he did it on a bad team?

As an example...he is Ochai. Think NBA teams view them the same?

POA 3+D guy getting 10 pts a game.

[ropjhk]

I think I'm good with Bobby in charge.

[Psubs]

Why is everyone so keen to promote Bobby to president? What has he shown as GM that would warrant this level of praise and promotion? The president of operations job should be given to those with the highest calibre and he is not that. Are you all just bots?

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Did he not Broker the Kawhi deal? That in itself demonstrates the ruthlessness needed to win a championship in this market.

We got Brandon Ingram for a 1st pick, whereas Desmond Bane required 4 1st picks!

[kalel123]

It's only natural that he'd want the job. But if things don't work out with the current core (and there's a decent chance it won't), would want a clean break from everyone associated with Ujiri regime especially when it's someone as high up as Bobby Webster. If things work out, sure, give 'em a few more years to work things out. However, if they bring in someone new from outside, that guy would want his own people so everyone else including Webster is on the clock regardless. Could potentially lead to undesirable situation down the line.

Rogers premature firing of Ujiri has surely f'ed things up and left a lot of things up in the air needlessly. Even if Ujiri was let go after his contract expires, level of comfort regarding Bobby Webster decision (no matter what it is) would've been higher.

[junot111]

I doubt he gets it. If they wanted him to have the job, I feel like they would've announced it ASAP to ease the blowback from firing Masai.
And they mentioned they wanted a "business" guy which I don't think they saw to be anyone in the FO (including Masai)

[Tripod]

Why is everyone so keen to promote Bobby to president? What has he shown as GM that would warrant this level of praise and promotion? The president of operations job should be given to those with the highest calibre and he is not that. Are you all just bots?

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Did he not Broker the Kawhi deal? That in itself demonstrates the ruthlessness needed to win a championship in this market.

We got Brandon Ingram for a 1st pick, whereas Desmond Bane required 4 1st picks!

Yup.

And Bobby can lay claim to positive moves while on no so favorable ones, he can say Masai pushed for those....true or not. Another guy coming in has to take ownership of everything they did.

Promoting Bobby and keeping Dan especially, makes the most sense.

They extended them till 2027...so really they could just "keep things as is" and wait and see what Bobby does this year, then make a full decision next offseason. Team does well, Bobby gets the job with a real extention. Team fails, a new guy is brought in to completely change things