Shams: Bobby Promoted to "Final Decision Maker of Basketball (still GM) " update pg. 27

[Rapsalot]

I’m OK giving Bobby a chance. If he needs help you can hire someone to do that part of the role for less money.

I would not mind keeping Dan in Asst GM head of scouting ect but hire in new GM to work with Bobby. This way you keep some continuity and get some fresh approach

[Reeko]

This is the AA/Shapiro situation all over again. Raptors either promote Bobby or lose him all together because he wouldn't want to report to someone else.

There's a chance the Raptors can be pretty damn good and with 1 more big move, even a dark horse to come out of the East. Would be horrible to let our management group go in that situation.

Stupid Rogers should have let Masai finish his contract out to see the direction of the team and then make their final decision...

They had already made their decision regarding Masai before he signed his last contract. This firing was NEVER about his performance as the POBO, it was always about him commanding too much money. Masai could have made moves that got us to the ECF this year and Rogers still would not have extended/renewed his contract.

[TRik]

I kinda want a clean slate now that I’ve sat on it.

There’s just too much baggage with Bobby.

Yup. Much prefer new energy if we can get someone like Myers.

[Yallbecrazy]

No one has drafted as well as the Raptors the last decade. Nuggets are close, OKC has been average, but had so many picks to choose from.
Once the Raptors start winning games GMs around the league will value their players more. That being said I think they are set up really well to win a lot of games this season and contend in the East.
I also don't think Masai was fired for his performance at all, it was a personal vendetta of Ed's.

Sengun falling out of the top 6 was ridiculous, let alone the lottery. I also feel CMB should have been taken no lower than 4th. Podz going 19th or whatever and TJD not being a top 40 pick either. Many front offices have shown how inept they are at drafting recently when a wide variety of analytical models have consistently outperformed them and they aren't adapting at all.

[MavCarter]

I kinda want a clean slate now that I’ve sat on it.

There’s just too much baggage with Bobby.

Yup. Much prefer new energy if we can get someone like Myers.

Myers isnt coming here he just turned down the hawks because his family wants to be in LA

[powerhouse117]

I’m OK giving Bobby a chance. If he needs help you can hire someone to do that part of the role for less money.

I would not mind keeping Dan in Asst GM head of scouting ect but hire in new GM to work with Bobby. This way you keep some continuity and get some fresh approach

I’m aligned with this approach and would like to see Teresa Resch back in the fold to fill that gap. Might be too tough (and awkward) at this point.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Aside from rogers/masai feud, maybe they were not convinced this "rebuild" or "reset" wasn't to their liking and felt it was rushed

my guess is that higher ups see win totals, lack of playoffs and payroll and asked "then why are we paying so much for the team".

Nah, it was 100% personal between Ed and Masai. The Pelley press conference, where he basically had non-answers for everything, solidified that for me. Ed took issue with Masai’s salary two years after winning a title, so this isn’t a new thing.

This is why I think there’s a decent chance Bobby will get it, even if I lean that he won’t. The roster is in really good shape.

[___Rand___]

No. Bobby is too wet behind the ears. He hasn't proven anything. I am pretty sure the misguided moves in the last few years since 2019 have been partly due to him - like maybe 45-50% Bobby. He has a fixation on certain types like Masai. Roster construction has not been good. I think it's best NOT to bring in a president and let Bobby run the show for 2 years and let him prove himself.

The role of president around the league is usually reserved for very senior management types like Ainge or Riley - guys who have accomplished much, have the gravitas around the league. Bobby has yet to prove himself. Make him earn it with a ring. Then let's talk presidency. Right now that's a firm NAW from me.

[PushDaRock]

No. Bobby is too wet behind the ears. He hasn't proven anything. I am pretty sure the misguided moves in the last few years since 2019 have been partly due to him - like maybe 45-50% Bobby. He has a fixation on certain types like Masai. Roster construction has not been good. I think it's best NOT to bring in a president and let Bobby run the show for 2 years and let him prove himself.

The role of president around the league is usually reserved for very senior management types like Ainge or Riley - guys who have accomplished much, have the gravitas around the league. Bobby has yet to prove himself. Make him earn it with a ring. Then let's talk presidency. Right now that's a firm NAW from me.

That would be fine not hiring anyone for that position but they were adamant about hiring a president so it has to be someone.

[MavCarter]

Everyone who doesn't want bobby to get the job get ready to learn marc eversley buddy. Wouldnt be surprised if he already reached out and MLSE would probably think hiring a canadian would help PR wise after firing masai

[SpezNc]

Bobby's first moves in control (assuming he did have control over draft):

Draft: CMB #9, Martin #39
Free Agency: Mamukelashvili, 2/5.5
Extension: Poeltl, 4/104
Re-signed: Temple 1/3.6

For Temple I think we should say minimum veteran no ?

Because the cap hit will be smaller compare to the actual 3,6 of salary .

[___Rand___]

No. Bobby is too wet behind the ears. He hasn't proven anything. I am pretty sure the misguided moves in the last few years since 2019 have been partly due to him - like maybe 45-50% Bobby. He has a fixation on certain types like Masai. Roster construction has not been good. I think it's best NOT to bring in a president and let Bobby run the show for 2 years and let him prove himself.

The role of president around the league is usually reserved for very senior management types like Ainge or Riley - guys who have accomplished much, have the gravitas around the league. Bobby has yet to prove himself. Make him earn it with a ring. Then let's talk presidency. Right now that's a firm NAW from me.

That would be fine not hiring anyone for that position but they were adamant about hiring a president so it has to be someone.

Yeah maybe it's PR. They can say we searched and didn't find a suitable candidate. Or bring in a "business" manager like what's his stupid face talked about. Let Bobby run basketball, while this president runs the operations, sales and marketing. It could be one of those faceless suit types from another sports org great at marketing.

If it's a guy who's been a GM on another team, well then, Bobby is on the clock. Either case, Bobby has to prove himself now that he's out of Masai's shadow. If he can't work with the new guy, then he's going to have to resign, and find another opportunity.

No way I hand an unproven guy the "president" job. Nope. That would be a dumber move than firing Masai.

[MavCarter]

Watch on YouTube

God help me if we hire this dude. Im not even a bulls fan and watching that frustrated me

[MavCarter]

No. Bobby is too wet behind the ears. He hasn't proven anything. I am pretty sure the misguided moves in the last few years since 2019 have been partly due to him - like maybe 45-50% Bobby. He has a fixation on certain types like Masai. Roster construction has not been good. I think it's best NOT to bring in a president and let Bobby run the show for 2 years and let him prove himself.

The role of president around the league is usually reserved for very senior management types like Ainge or Riley - guys who have accomplished much, have the gravitas around the league. Bobby has yet to prove himself. Make him earn it with a ring. Then let's talk presidency. Right now that's a firm NAW from me.

That would be fine not hiring anyone for that position but they were adamant about hiring a president so it has to be someone.

Yeah maybe it's PR. They can say we searched and didn't find a suitable candidate. Or bring in a "business" manager like what's his stupid face talked about. Let Bobby run basketball, while this president runs the operations, sales and marketing. It could be one of those faceless suit types from another sports org great at marketing.

If it's a guy who's been a GM on another team, well then, Bobby is on the clock. Either case, Bobby has to prove himself now that he's out of Masai's shadow. If he can't work with the new guy, then he's going to have to resign, and find another opportunity.

No way I hand an unproven guy the "president" job. Nope. That would be a dumber move than firing Masai.

Pelley said the new president will be focused on basketball, unfortunately. I think they hire someone and whether its this offseason or next the whole FO gets cleaned out. Sucks because bobby and dan are young and seem innovative i would have no problem with them running things

[PushDaRock]

No. Bobby is too wet behind the ears. He hasn't proven anything. I am pretty sure the misguided moves in the last few years since 2019 have been partly due to him - like maybe 45-50% Bobby. He has a fixation on certain types like Masai. Roster construction has not been good. I think it's best NOT to bring in a president and let Bobby run the show for 2 years and let him prove himself.

The role of president around the league is usually reserved for very senior management types like Ainge or Riley - guys who have accomplished much, have the gravitas around the league. Bobby has yet to prove himself. Make him earn it with a ring. Then let's talk presidency. Right now that's a firm NAW from me.

That would be fine not hiring anyone for that position but they were adamant about hiring a president so it has to be someone.

Yeah maybe it's PR. They can say we searched and didn't find a suitable candidate. Or bring in a "business" manager like what's his stupid face talked about. Let Bobby run basketball, while this president runs the operations, sales and marketing. It could be one of those faceless suit types from another sports org great at marketing.

If it's a guy who's been a GM on another team, well then, Bobby is on the clock. Either case, Bobby has to prove himself now that he's out of Masai's shadow. If he can't work with the new guy, then he's going to have to resign, and find another opportunity.

No way I hand an unproven guy the "president" job. Nope. That would be a dumber move than firing Masai.

If they fire Masai and deem it necessary to find a replacement for him but are unable to find one, that makes themselves look incompetent and it's egg on the face. Ed has a massive ego and isn't letting that happen.

[WuTang_CMB]

Everyone who doesn't want bobby to get the job get ready to learn marc eversley buddy. Wouldnt be surprised if he already reached out and MLSE would probably think hiring a canadian would help PR wise after firing masai

Marc eversely was my nike team rep in highschool
Met him a bunch. Nice guy

But he would be an abomination for a prez/ general manager here

[___Rand___]

That would be fine not hiring anyone for that position but they were adamant about hiring a president so it has to be someone.

Yeah maybe it's PR. They can say we searched and didn't find a suitable candidate. Or bring in a "business" manager like what's his stupid face talked about. Let Bobby run basketball, while this president runs the operations, sales and marketing. It could be one of those faceless suit types from another sports org great at marketing.

If it's a guy who's been a GM on another team, well then, Bobby is on the clock. Either case, Bobby has to prove himself now that he's out of Masai's shadow. If he can't work with the new guy, then he's going to have to resign, and find another opportunity.

No way I hand an unproven guy the "president" job. Nope. That would be a dumber move than firing Masai.

If they fire Masai and deem it necessary to find a replacement for him but are unable to find one, that makes themselves look incompetent and it's egg on the face. Ed has a massive ego and isn't letting that happen.

Small peepees small brains always have massive egos. It'll be a sh*t show like before. What else is new in TO sports?

[___Rand___]

That would be fine not hiring anyone for that position but they were adamant about hiring a president so it has to be someone.

Yeah maybe it's PR. They can say we searched and didn't find a suitable candidate. Or bring in a "business" manager like what's his stupid face talked about. Let Bobby run basketball, while this president runs the operations, sales and marketing. It could be one of those faceless suit types from another sports org great at marketing.

If it's a guy who's been a GM on another team, well then, Bobby is on the clock. Either case, Bobby has to prove himself now that he's out of Masai's shadow. If he can't work with the new guy, then he's going to have to resign, and find another opportunity.

No way I hand an unproven guy the "president" job. Nope. That would be a dumber move than firing Masai.

Pelley said the new president will be focused on basketball, unfortunately. I think they hire someone and whether its this offseason or next the whole FO gets cleaned out. Sucks because bobby and dan are young and seem innovative i would have no problem with them running things

Oh I thought he wanted to bring a "business" guy. In that case, yeah Bobby is likely out. Hard to imagine a new hire who's going to have the same philosophy as Masai and Bobby had. Change was going to happen. Oh well. Let's hope this new president is exceptional.

[basketballto]

Promote Bobby to President and Dan to GM. Then hire a scout to replace Dan. That would be a solid way to move foward. We are still one of the best run organizations in the league. The Ingram trade was a success. Same goes for Siakam and OG.

The attachment to Barnes will likely end very soon. I could see him being shopped along with IQ and RJ for a big fish. Poeltl, Ingram, Dick, CMB, Walter, Shead and the others are a decent enough supporting cast around two good players.

I'm at a loss for words.

you stuck in 2018/2019 if you really think that the raptors are still one of the best run organization. we had our peak, now we at the lowest. raptors has become the pelicans of the east.

Ingram was a success ? so far he didnt played one game, is mostly injured and cost us another frp from the pacers which are now lottery bound for 2026.

OG trade was a failure. Masai pays lottery pick for poeltl, and gets for og not even one. while new york trades 5 picks for mikal bridges. rj & iq dont have any real value.

masai was washed and dragged this org into the gutter of the league.

Lowest? You haven't seen lowest in 20+ years.

[Kreamy]

We hired Masai to run the team when he was 41. Bobby is 41 right now with 13 years in the organization and 8 years as GM. Unless they go out and hire Presti or Myers, not sure who's available with a better resume than Bobby.