Shams: Myles Turner signs 4YR deal with the Bucks - BUCKS WAIVE LILLARD

[JB7]

I think what's getting buried here is reporting is Pacers low balled myles Turner. Apparently their offer was no where close to bucks offer.

Another team talking about they'll go into tax to keep their core, who went to finals, but just lip service. If anything we should try to go after Pacers gm or president, as they'll be use to cheap owners like Rogers, who wants cost cutting.

Who is the next casualty of the Pacers cheapness? Mathurin?

What hasn't changed even with CBA cap inflation is that you can't be stuck paying role players the inflated contracts that leaves you stuck without flexibility (you are already seeing this here with RJ/IQ). Your quality role player, like Caruso, Dort or Jak here, should be making around the 20m or below number. IHart, Jak's clone, who was averaging about 20 minutes in the finals, is making 30mil in a cap maneuver, but they shouldn't be making more than the 20mil or so for their contribution. You trade them for value and groom replacements before it gets out of hand.

Mathurin will become another MPJ/RJ contract if you treat him any different. He's a slightly above MLE player. You saw how he didn't even have a regular role on a finals team.

If he is a slightly above MLE player, that most likely won’t be on the Pacers. I would think he would expect more from the Pacers.

[JB7]

That's a crazy amount of dead cap. They're really doing everything they can to go for it THIS year. They must be really worried about Giannis leaving.

Turner isn’t impact player either though. Crazy gamble move

He's a spacing C which is an absolute must to play next to Giannis (this is also a must on our team, but team building has been a huge issue for this FO since the Jak trade). and he can eat up a ton of minutes compared to the alternatives. There isn't anything out in FA which will make a difference.

It doesn't really matter because they should just be trading him. Losing this 2 year term on Giannis' contract for max trade value to set them up for their future is just a big mistake.

The good thing about this deal is they now have the perfect complimentary C for Giannis that they can also offer in a Giannis trade to teams he wants to go. So they could just enhance the Giannis return even more.

[JB7]

Pelican’s are rejoicing.

They don’t own the Pacers 2026 pick anymore.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Turner isn’t impact player either though. Crazy gamble move

He's a spacing C which is an absolute must to play next to Giannis (this is also a must on our team, but team building has been a huge issue for this FO since the Jak trade). and he can eat up a ton of minutes compared to the alternatives. There isn't anything out in FA which will make a difference.

It doesn't really matter because they should just be trading him. Losing this 2 year term on Giannis' contract for max trade value to set them up for their future is just a big mistake.

The good thing about this deal is they now have the perfect complimentary C for Giannis that they can also offer in a Giannis trade to teams he wants to go. So they could just enhance the Giannis return even more.

lol that was what I was thinking. If we trade Poeltl we can get turner back along with Giannis

[sidsid]

Who is the next casualty of the Pacers cheapness? Mathurin?

What hasn't changed even with CBA cap inflation is that you can't be stuck paying role players the inflated contracts that leaves you stuck without flexibility (you are already seeing this here with RJ/IQ). Your quality role player, like Caruso, Dort or Jak here, should be making around the 20m or below number. IHart, Jak's clone, who was averaging about 20 minutes in the finals, is making 30mil in a cap maneuver, but they shouldn't be making more than the 20mil or so for their contribution. You trade them for value and groom replacements before it gets out of hand.

Mathurin will become another MPJ/RJ contract if you treat him any different. He's a slightly above MLE player. You saw how he didn't even have a regular role on a finals team.

If he is a slightly above MLE player, that most likely won’t be on the Pacers. I would think he would expect more from the Pacers.

Those are the ruthless decisions you need to make. Naz Reid just didn't show in the playoffs that he has enough to be a guy making that 20+mil money. You either trade/S&T them before they become anchors or you see your team end up making more asset draining moves for lateral or below players like Denver had to do with MPJ.

If the Kings want to overpay Mathurin, send him there for futures or get yourself a Giddey/Caruso trade for actual playoff value.

[Son Goku 25]

NBA will gift bos the top pick and pacers a top 3 pick

[TRik]

Pelican’s are rejoicing.

They don’t own the Pacers 2026 pick anymore.

Yup. I forgot the exchange back to Indy. Pelican’s crying.

[Clutch0z24]

He's a spacing C which is an absolute must to play next to Giannis (this is also a must on our team, but team building has been a huge issue for this FO since the Jak trade). and he can eat up a ton of minutes compared to the alternatives. There isn't anything out in FA which will make a difference.

It doesn't really matter because they should just be trading him. Losing this 2 year term on Giannis' contract for max trade value to set them up for their future is just a big mistake.

The good thing about this deal is they now have the perfect complimentary C for Giannis that they can also offer in a Giannis trade to teams he wants to go. So they could just enhance the Giannis return even more.

lol that was what I was thinking. If we trade Poeltl we can get turner back along with Giannis

Giannis dream was dead as soon as Masai left....Only way he even considers us in a trade would be because of how close him and Masai are....Without Masai he prolly ends up in Houston or Spurs...

[Raptaurus]

Turner is a decent stretch 5 but the whole move is pure desperation. Stretching Lillard for the next five years will be crippling for the Buck’s cap flexibility.

When a franchises piles on one hail Mary desperate move after the other to appease their franchise cornerstone, it doesn’t usually doesn’t matter end well. The said player/superstar usually walks at the end anyway.

Yes they won a championship (and it was worth it) but their entire roster has pretty much aged out and they have no way to replenish their talent having mortgaged years of future draft picks. It’s long overdue to accept the writing on the wall…..

[SFour]

They didn't know they were going to give up the 7th pick in the draft for Jak either, but when you give up valuable low lottery protection picks up, that's what you're risking.

That's what retooling over rebuilding looks like. When you lack patience, you give up the potential higher rewards that come with it.

They would've drafted Edey with that pick.....so it's either Poeltl or Edey.....it's not groundbreaking stuff.

Or they could have traded it for two future unprotected Minny picks the same way the Spurs with Wemby on their team did. We just had this same question about the Dumars trade of next year's best of Bucks/Pels lottery pick.

That path requires patience. Same as the Thunder championship did.

The key for the Thunder was SGA, an MVP superstar....that's the hard part to replicate, the rest of the team they build around him is the easy part.

[ontnut]

Turner isn’t impact player either though. Crazy gamble move

He's a spacing C which is an absolute must to play next to Giannis (this is also a must on our team, but team building has been a huge issue for this FO since the Jak trade). and he can eat up a ton of minutes compared to the alternatives. There isn't anything out in FA which will make a difference.

It doesn't really matter because they should just be trading him. Losing this 2 year term on Giannis' contract for max trade value to set them up for their future is just a big mistake.

The good thing about this deal is they now have the perfect complimentary C for Giannis that they can also offer in a Giannis trade to teams he wants to go. So they could just enhance the Giannis return even more.

A) They HAVE to gamble. There's no way to improve their roster other than gambling. They already gambled with the Middleton/Kuzma swap. What's the harm now?
B) How many decades will it be before MIL gets another superstar like Giannis? As Arnold says, "Do it NOW!"
C) The fit is great. Turner does everything prime Lopez did during their chip run and prior, and might be better than prime Lopez in certain regards. He was the biggest difference maker available in FA for the Bucks. They had to do something or it was an automatic Giannis bolt after they miss the playoffs in 25-26, and in all likelihood, 26-27.
D) This doesn't preclude them from trading away Giannis in the future. Turner is still tradeable, and they can suck for 3 years post Giannis to get rid of their dead cap and then go from there. The Lillard move was stupid from the time it first crossed their GM's head, but...it is what is now. This was the best they could do.

[ontnut]

Turner is a decent stretch 5 but the whole move is pure desperation. Stretching Lillard for the next five years will be crippling for the Buck’s cap flexibility.

When a franchises piles on one hail Mary desperate move after the other to appease their franchise cornerstone, it doesn’t usually doesn’t get them anywhere. The said usually walks at the end anyway.

Yes they won a championship (and it was worth it) but their entire roster has pretty much aged out and they have no way to replenish their talent having mortgaged years of future draft picks. It’s long overdue to accept the writing on the wall…..

You are 100% correct, but that's what you HAVE to do as a small market team with a top3 superstar nearing the tail end of their prime. What else are you going to do? It takes MASSSSSSSIVE balls to trade away that kind of player, and even if they had the balls, I'm not sure the market was there for such a trade. HOU got Durant on a super discount, so why pay extra for Giannis? OKC won the chip, no need to give away all their picks. SA is happy to wait and see with Harper. Who else really had a package and desire for Giannis at this point? ORL maybe? TOR probably. Lakers for Bron or Reeves wasn't gonna happen.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

The good thing about this deal is they now have the perfect complimentary C for Giannis that they can also offer in a Giannis trade to teams he wants to go. So they could just enhance the Giannis return even more.

lol that was what I was thinking. If we trade Poeltl we can get turner back along with Giannis

Giannis dream was dead as soon as Masai left....Only way he even considers us in a trade would be because of how close him and Masai are....Without Masai he prolly ends up in Houston or Spurs...

Success begets success. If we get a strong start to the season then we should be in that hunt.

[WaltFrazier]

They stretch waiving Lillard's contract

Does that just mean they're gonna pay him out the remainder of his contract over the course of the next 10 years or something?

5 years

What happens when Dame is rehabbed and ready to play say a year from now?

[mihaic]

Pelican’s are rejoicing.

They don’t own the Pacers 2026 pick anymore.

Yup. I forgot the exchange back to Indy. Pelican’s crying.

If Indy doesn't get the pick back, perhaps their offseason shapes differently

[douggood]

Does that just mean they're gonna pay him out the remainder of his contract over the course of the next 10 years or something?

5 years

What happens when Dame is rehabbed and ready to play say a year from now?

he can join any other team at any point. except the bucks.

if he is on the short end of the recovery timeframe, he could be back for this seasons playoffs.

[WaltFrazier]

5 years

What happens when Dame is rehabbed and ready to play say a year from now?

he can join any other team at any point. except the bucks.

if he is on the short end of the recovery timeframe, he could be back for this seasons playoffs.

So would he still receive the stretched payout from the Bucks, plus whatever he gets as a free agent?

[WaltFrazier]

Idk Turner started playing pretty bad towards the end of their run. He was missing so many open 3s. He was somewhat frustrating to watch.

Yes he was mediocre to bad in the playoffs despite the team's great run.

[douggood]

What happens when Dame is rehabbed and ready to play say a year from now?

he can join any other team at any point. except the bucks.

if he is on the short end of the recovery timeframe, he could be back for this seasons playoffs.

So would he still receive the stretched payout from the Bucks, plus whatever he gets as a free agent?

yep, he will come out ahead in salary and get to choose where he goes. win win for him.

edit ; not sure if there is an offset clasue in strech and waive, there might be, in a buyout strech and waive you negotiate the offset.

[WaltFrazier]

he can join any other team at any point. except the bucks.

if he is on the short end of the recovery timeframe, he could be back for this seasons playoffs.

So would he still receive the stretched payout from the Bucks, plus whatever he gets as a free agent?

yep, he will come out ahead in salary and get to choose where he goes. win win for him.

He'll be in a good position to ring chase if and when he's ready to play