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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#161 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 7:57 pm

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toooskies wrote:Jerome, Merrill, and Strus all have the same agent.

Jerome’s agent might have wanted Jerome to find a new team because he wanted to maximize the combined salary of Jerome and Merrill and Cleveland would only sign one of them. If Jerome signs in Cleveland for whatever price, Merrill might have to look elsewhere. That may have been less appealing for his agent— Jerome should have had more external interest than Merrill.

We didn’t really replace Ty. Maybe that works better for Mobley and Hunter to get more touches in those bench units. But I think we’ll mostly just be a little worse.


The best argument I can make is that the F.O. wants this team to learn to win close games against other good teams by playing better defense at the cost of some of our offense.

We won 64 games and I don't believe many of them were all that close late in the 4th quarter. One thing the Pacers series exposed is that we really couldn't slow the game down without Garland, and the pace inevitably favored the Pacers. If the Cavs can maintain or increase their rebounding advantage, while running a little more time off the clock, the Pacers get fewer possessions.


In general we need to focus on traits which work in the playoffs against teams without severe flaws and who have competent coaching.

Seems were still missing some rugged players and a pocket rocket who can blow by any man D no matter how tough.


I'm comfortable with the idea that either Mitchell or Garland can penetrate the defense and force a rotation. We'll see if Tyson and Proctor can be more physical, but one of our two-ways guys needs to be a physical big.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#162 » by toooskies » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:01 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
The best argument I can make is that the F.O. wants this team to learn to win close games against other good teams by playing better defense at the cost of some of our offense.

We won 64 games and I don't believe many of them were all that close late in the 4th quarter. One thing the Pacers series exposed is that we really couldn't slow the game down without Garland, and the pace inevitably favored the Pacers. If the Cavs can maintain or increase their rebounding advantage, while running a little more time off the clock, the Pacers get fewer possessions.


In general we need to focus on traits which work in the playoffs against teams without severe flaws and who have competent coaching.

Seems were still missing some rugged players and a pocket rocket who can blow by any man D no matter how tough.


I'm comfortable with the idea that either Mitchell or Garland can penetrate the defense and force a rotation. We'll see if Tyson and Proctor can be more physical, but one of our two-ways guys needs to be a physical big.

Proctor is skinny. I wouldn’t call him soft but he isn’t going to be pushing around grown men his rookie year.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#163 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Jul 2, 2025 10:07 pm

toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
In general we need to focus on traits which work in the playoffs against teams without severe flaws and who have competent coaching.

Seems were still missing some rugged players and a pocket rocket who can blow by any man D no matter how tough.


I'm comfortable with the idea that either Mitchell or Garland can penetrate the defense and force a rotation. We'll see if Tyson and Proctor can be more physical, but one of our two-ways guys needs to be a physical big.

Proctor is skinny. I wouldn’t call him soft but he isn’t going to be pushing around grown men his rookie year.
The scouting on him was that he was soft lol why people trolled the pick a little and said "he'll fit right in".
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#164 » by JonFromVA » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:08 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
I'm comfortable with the idea that either Mitchell or Garland can penetrate the defense and force a rotation. We'll see if Tyson and Proctor can be more physical, but one of our two-ways guys needs to be a physical big.

Proctor is skinny. I wouldn’t call him soft but he isn’t going to be pushing around grown men his rookie year.
The scouting on him was that he was soft lol why people trolled the pick a little and said "he'll fit right in".


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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#165 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:21 am

https://www.paducahsun.com/sports/jaxson-robinson-signs-with-cavaliers-as-undrafted-free-agent/article_4ebb67ac-9e22-5e06-91f1-e4dd4ff99448.html

Cavs add another UDFA on an exhibit 10. Not much to write home about, can maybe stroke it a bit.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#166 » by JonFromVA » Thu Jul 3, 2025 2:28 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.paducahsun.com/sports/jaxson-robinson-signs-with-cavaliers-as-undrafted-free-agent/article_4ebb67ac-9e22-5e06-91f1-e4dd4ff99448.html

Cavs add another UDFA on an exhibit 10. Not much to write home about, can maybe stroke it a bit.


Sounds interesting on paper, but I haven't bothered to watch NCAA game play on these guys, but just another week until summer league.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#167 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jul 3, 2025 2:51 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.paducahsun.com/sports/jaxson-robinson-signs-with-cavaliers-as-undrafted-free-agent/article_4ebb67ac-9e22-5e06-91f1-e4dd4ff99448.html

Cavs add another UDFA on an exhibit 10. Not much to write home about, can maybe stroke it a bit.


Sounds interesting on paper, but I haven't bothered to watch NCAA game play on these guys, but just another week until summer league.
Looks like Niang will be at SL, so that will be cool to see how he does.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#168 » by jbk1234 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:01 pm

There's some reporting that the Durant trade is getting expanded to 7 teams, and involves the Lakers. I have a bad feeling about this. If Garland goes out, we better be getting picks back in addition to LBJ.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#169 » by toooskies » Thu Jul 3, 2025 5:24 pm

jbk1234 wrote:There's some reporting that the Durant trade is getting expanded to 7 teams, and involves the Lakers. I have a bad feeling about this. If Garland goes out, we better be getting picks back in addition to LBJ.

I saw a post listing the teams and the Cavs weren’t on it.

Signing Merrill makes it pretty much impossible to execute a trade where we take in a bigger salary than we send out. Fanspo’s trade machine (and likely others) don’t have updated salary movement since it’s mostly unofficial still, but to take in LeBron we would have to send out Garland + Allen + Hunter.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#170 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:02 pm

toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:There's some reporting that the Durant trade is getting expanded to 7 teams, and involves the Lakers. I have a bad feeling about this. If Garland goes out, we better be getting picks back in addition to LBJ.

I saw a post listing the teams and the Cavs weren’t on it.

Signing Merrill makes it pretty much impossible to execute a trade where we take in a bigger salary than we send out. Fanspo’s trade machine (and likely others) don’t have updated salary movement since it’s mostly unofficial still, but to take in LeBron we would have to send out Garland + Allen + Hunter.
Yeah, it'd have to be the below to work.

Lakers out: LeBron and Maxi Kleber
Lakers in: Garland and Allen

Cavs out: Garland, Allen, Hunter
Cavs in: LeBron

Nets out: a top 55 protected 2nd
Nets in: Hunter

Bulls out: a top 55 protected 2nd
Bulls in: Maxi Kleber

Which to leverage the Nets and a 4th teams space/TPE will cost assets that the Lakers and Cavs may not have.

I don't want an expiring 41 year old LeBron anyways.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#171 » by toooskies » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:26 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:There's some reporting that the Durant trade is getting expanded to 7 teams, and involves the Lakers. I have a bad feeling about this. If Garland goes out, we better be getting picks back in addition to LBJ.

I saw a post listing the teams and the Cavs weren’t on it.

Signing Merrill makes it pretty much impossible to execute a trade where we take in a bigger salary than we send out. Fanspo’s trade machine (and likely others) don’t have updated salary movement since it’s mostly unofficial still, but to take in LeBron we would have to send out Garland + Allen + Hunter.
Yeah, it'd have to be the below to work.

Lakers out: LeBron and Maxi Kleber
Lakers in: Garland and Allen

Cavs out: Garland, Allen, Hunter
Cavs in: LeBron

Nets out: a top 55 protected 2nd
Nets in: Hunter

Bulls out: a top 55 protected 2nd
Bulls in: Maxi Kleber

Which to leverage the Nets and a 4th teams space/TPE will cost assets that the Lakers and Cavs may not have.

I don't want an expiring 41 year old LeBron anyways.

Yeah, the biggest issue is LeBron isn’t worth all that. It’s more likely that LeBron gets traded to a team that waives him and we pick him up than we do something like the above.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#172 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:29 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:I saw a post listing the teams and the Cavs weren’t on it.

Signing Merrill makes it pretty much impossible to execute a trade where we take in a bigger salary than we send out. Fanspo’s trade machine (and likely others) don’t have updated salary movement since it’s mostly unofficial still, but to take in LeBron we would have to send out Garland + Allen + Hunter.
Yeah, it'd have to be the below to work.

Lakers out: LeBron and Maxi Kleber
Lakers in: Garland and Allen

Cavs out: Garland, Allen, Hunter
Cavs in: LeBron

Nets out: a top 55 protected 2nd
Nets in: Hunter

Bulls out: a top 55 protected 2nd
Bulls in: Maxi Kleber

Which to leverage the Nets and a 4th teams space/TPE will cost assets that the Lakers and Cavs may not have.

I don't want an expiring 41 year old LeBron anyways.

Yeah, the biggest issue is LeBron isn’t worth all that. It’s more likely that LeBron gets traded to a team that waives him and we pick him up than we do something like the above.
Better do it soon because once the season starts, Cavs can't acquire buyout guys making over X amount.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#173 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:56 pm

No Diop again, that sucks. Maybe that ship has sailed.Image
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#174 » by jbk1234 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 7:00 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:I saw a post listing the teams and the Cavs weren’t on it.

Signing Merrill makes it pretty much impossible to execute a trade where we take in a bigger salary than we send out. Fanspo’s trade machine (and likely others) don’t have updated salary movement since it’s mostly unofficial still, but to take in LeBron we would have to send out Garland + Allen + Hunter.
Yeah, it'd have to be the below to work.

Lakers out: LeBron and Maxi Kleber
Lakers in: Garland and Allen

Cavs out: Garland, Allen, Hunter
Cavs in: LeBron

Nets out: a top 55 protected 2nd
Nets in: Hunter

Bulls out: a top 55 protected 2nd
Bulls in: Maxi Kleber

Which to leverage the Nets and a 4th teams space/TPE will cost assets that the Lakers and Cavs may not have.

I don't want an expiring 41 year old LeBron anyways.

Yeah, the biggest issue is LeBron isn’t worth all that. It’s more likely that LeBron gets traded to a team that waives him and we pick him up than we do something like the above.


Agreed. I'm against trading Garland, but if the Cavs decide to go that route, he goes to Brooklyn for cap space and picks, or Claxton and picks, and the Lakers can have Strus and cap space, or Strus and Claxton.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#175 » by KuruptedCav » Thu Jul 3, 2025 8:03 pm

toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:There's some reporting that the Durant trade is getting expanded to 7 teams, and involves the Lakers. I have a bad feeling about this. If Garland goes out, we better be getting picks back in addition to LBJ.

I saw a post listing the teams and the Cavs weren’t on it.

Signing Merrill makes it pretty much impossible to execute a trade where we take in a bigger salary than we send out. Fanspo’s trade machine (and likely others) don’t have updated salary movement since it’s mostly unofficial still, but to take in LeBron we would have to send out Garland + Allen + Hunter.

Has Merrill been finalized and sent to the league or just announced with terms publicly?


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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#176 » by JujitsuFlip » Fri Jul 4, 2025 7:46 pm

Why is LeBron at our training facility, with one of our rookies...Image
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#177 » by toooskies » Sat Jul 5, 2025 6:49 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:Why is LeBron at our training facility, with one of our rookies...Image

Because most Cavs players probably don’t live in Cleveland in the offseason, so the facilities are mostly unused?

Jarrett Allen was at a Guardians game though
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#178 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Jul 5, 2025 12:52 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Why is LeBron at our training facility, with one of our rookies...Image

Because most Cavs players probably don’t live in Cleveland in the offseason, so the facilities are mostly unused?

Jarrett Allen was at a Guardians game though
LeBron said he uses the Cavs training facility every summer. Not sure i believe him but I'm sure wearing the Welcome Home hat a couple days ago, now this. He's just trying to pressure the Lakers.
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#179 » by axeman23 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 7:21 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.paducahsun.com/sports/jaxson-robinson-signs-with-cavaliers-as-undrafted-free-agent/article_4ebb67ac-9e22-5e06-91f1-e4dd4ff99448.html

Cavs add another UDFA on an exhibit 10. Not much to write home about, can maybe stroke it a bit.


Sounds interesting on paper, but I haven't bothered to watch NCAA game play on these guys, but just another week until summer league.
Looks like Niang will be at SL, so that will be cool to see how he does.


*Eye starting to twitch nervously*

"WHICH... NIANG???"
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Re: 2025-26 Off-Season 

Post#180 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:34 am

axeman23 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Sounds interesting on paper, but I haven't bothered to watch NCAA game play on these guys, but just another week until summer league.
Looks like Niang will be at SL, so that will be cool to see how he does.


*Eye starting to twitch nervously*

"WHICH... NIANG???"
Hahaha the one we just drafted, not minivan.

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