2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5

[Rapaz]

Anyone here thinks we win 37 games if you replace Herro with 2009 Dwyane Wade, when he was surrounded with absolute scrubs, none of his tito jacksons was nearly as talented as Bam, or even Wiggins. Hell duncan robinson wouldve been better than most of the 2009 roster.

If you replace Herro with Dalton Knecht, you’d be looking at 50-55 wins.

Xoxo.

[Hallstar]

There is more than just realgm for people to discuss basketball. I dont get the personal attacks that seem to be rampant here. But anyways...

Go on to x, Twitter, reddit, etc.. there are comments there about herro being a top 20 talent. Just because you might not believe he's a top 50 player, doesn't mean others don't think he is.

I have never said he'd a bad player, but after watching a little more game film, he's the worst type of archtype to build ones team around. Absolute worst. If the goal is to contend, which seems to be what the bulk of heat fans want, I don't understand the cult following herro has. No team has ever won with this type of player (archtype, role, salary, etc..) But people expect herro to be a trailblazer? I think the odds are on my side with this one. It kinda reminds me of when monta Ellis was traded. The front office was boooed at games. They traded their one way bucket getter for a fundamental big in Bogut.

Back to value, after the bane trade, people suggested herro had similar value. And some thought he had more.

Personally, with his impending extension and archtype, I'm not sure he'd get you more than a player and a first from a contender. And maybe not even that. Treadmills or bottom dwellers might offer more, but that kinda makes my point.

The cult following starts up top. The delusion from the top sold Herro to the cult that he is some Devin Booker, Klay thompson on steroids type of player.

In reality he is the heat version of Brian Hartline. A white hero, that you force fed the ball to, but no where near as talented as any guard in the all nba teams.

Hartline leaves the dolphins, the fans go in an uproar because we just let go of a 1000 yard receiver, tannehlls favorite target!! and he does nothing for the other team. His position on the team was, there was no other player better. So who else will Tannehill throw the ball to. And force pass attempts to.

Even though he was severely limited, always got caught from behind, couldnt separate worth a ****, low athleticism with “deceptive” speed

Ive said it during the playoffs, Herro wouldnt be a starter in 14 of the 16 playoff teams, he wouldnt even start over Josh Hart.

First season we force the ball to him and we go what 37-45.. and that came with a flukey 10 game win streak at the very end so we could have been a lot worse.. and the cavs proved we were a lot worse.. and ty jerome, darius garland both embarassed herro.

He’s a scorer who can’t score in the playoffs, he sucks.

Goodnight.

And our "best" player was the 3rd best big in the series, so what are we really arguing about? Maybe the team wasn't built to do anything? We've done far worse to Trae than the Cavs did to Herro and somehow y'all still ogle over the midget pg.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Read on Twitter

He was a good guy who got overpaid and sort of acknowledged it even on his podcast, can't hate him too much but glad to not have to give him his paycheck anymore. Now watch him be the scrub of the night that lights us up whenever we play Detroit.

[Wiltside]

Anyone who takes X (Twitter) seriously probably has a comprehension problem. RealGM used to be one of the best platforms for true basketball aficionados, but its quality has been declining ever since player fans started flooding in.

This really began during the Big 3 era, with the LeBron vs. D-Wade fan wars. After LeBron left, the board improved for a while, but starting around 2020/2021, the overall quality has been on a steady decline again.

The Big 3 era was fun though, every game thread will sometimes reach up to 100 pages, that's crazy.

Shaq_Diesel dropping the Lebron news in the lead up to the decision was mindblowing. What a time to be alive.

Wish Iggie would visit sometime, I hope dude is OK.

[MiamiLoyal926]

We were under the tax already and Wiggins is a decent player that fills a position of need and can fill it well if given the proper chance and role… with that said, Heat brass really going all in on wiping the books for next summer. Seems awfully obsessive to have all this cap space next summer when there are no major free agents… why!? If we do move Wiggins for more expiring contracts… my nose will begin tingling as something smells awfully reminiscent of 2009 heading into 2010.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Anyone who takes X (Twitter) seriously probably has a comprehension problem. RealGM used to be one of the best platforms for true basketball aficionados, but its quality has been declining ever since player fans started flooding in.

This really began during the Big 3 era, with the LeBron vs. D-Wade fan wars. After LeBron left, the board improved for a while, but starting around 2020/2021, the overall quality has been on a steady decline again.

The Big 3 era was fun though, every game thread will sometimes reach up to 100 pages, that's crazy.

Shaq_Diesel dropping the Lebron news in the lead up to the decision was mindblowing. What a time to be alive.

Wish Iggie would visit sometime, I hope dude is OK.

That was incredible, I literally did not eat that entire week my nerves were shot. His source was Wade's PR girl or something IIRC, can't remember what role she had exactly. Saw a Knicks fan on the general board the other day proclaiming everyone "knew" LeBron was going to New York and he screwed them over as much as Cleveland and had to chuckle at that revisionist history, even ignoring our insider, the Bulls were the mainstream frontrunner.

[Crazy-Canuck]

And what value is that, my fellow Wigg... I mean, Heat fan?

I'm not even sold on Herro long term and would happily dump him for an upgrade if the possibility presents itself, but the strawmans and disparagement of the guy is getting silly. I've seen people claim that people on this board think he's a top 20 player in the league, and I ask, who? What post ever said that, I'd be the first one to say he's getting overrated.

It's not that he has a group of fans who overrate him and want to build the team around him, nobody ever says this. Even the posters who defend from the hate he gets don't talk about him like a franchise cornerstone. What it really is, is a group of posters that already divorced from the idea of him on the team years ago in their heads, and can't acknowledge he played pretty well last season. Combined with one in particular who makes everything a dick measuring contest to big up his favorite player who deserves a championship because... he's his favorite player? I don't even know. And yeah I'll keep bringing it up because others do too and I have nothing better to do and its the offseason.

I'm being the devil's advocate to defend Herro, and I still think he's barely a borderline top 50 player, with a ceiling as a 2nd option on a championship contender that will have to be hidden on defense, and doesn't deserve his max unless he morphs into the next Stephen Curry next season, which I do not expect. Any Herro fans on this board want to disagree with me and tell me I'm wrong there? Or conversely, anyone think that assessment is overrating him?

There is more than just realgm for people to discuss basketball. I dont get the personal attacks that seem to be rampant here. But anyways...

Go on to x, Twitter, reddit, etc.. there are comments there about herro being a top 20 talent. Just because you might not believe he's a top 50 player, doesn't mean others don't think he is.

I have never said he'd a bad player, but after watching a little more game film, he's the worst type of archtype to build ones team around. Absolute worst. If the goal is to contend, which seems to be what the bulk of heat fans want, I don't understand the cult following herro has. No team has ever won with this type of player (archtype, role, salary, etc..) But people expect herro to be a trailblazer? I think the odds are on my side with this one. It kinda reminds me of when monta Ellis was traded. The front office was boooed at games. They traded their one way bucket getter for a fundamental big in Bogut.

Back to value, after the bane trade, people suggested herro had similar value. And some thought he had more.

Personally, with his impending extension and archtype, I'm not sure he'd get you more than a player and a first from a contender. And maybe not even that. Treadmills or bottom dwellers might offer more, but that kinda makes my point.

I'm sure he gets overrated in other places, but I only post on realgm because I avoid those other places like the plague, and prefer the discussion here. So I don't see the point in bringing their talking points over here.

The main reason I started posting here in the first place was the terrible takes on players like Kobe and AI back in the day, that's what makes realgm great, people usually back their positions with more than hype. And I can see how Herro can be a guy who gets that sort of hype without substance love, but it isn't here on this board, and I'd think most of us on here are discussing with each other, not what the average twitter or reddit fan thinks.

And yeah, I'm going to address people's biases when they accuse others of having a bias, like towards Herro or against their favorite player. It feels weird to watch your team for years, and then after one trade someone suddenly pops up and starts telling you how this or that player is flawed and needs to go, while handwaving away the massive issues their favorite player who just got dropped on your squad has, who has completely failed to fit in, is aging, is money on the books for 2026, and has a ceiling even lower than Herro's as a player in this league right now.

Also to Beenie good call on Seikaly and Eddie Jones, I loved EJ and think it was just a matter of right place, wrong time, Zo's kidney disrupted everything and if we had EJ instead of Mashburn all those years, with Timmy still good enough to be the offensive engine, I think it'd have gone way differently.

Im all open to discuss herro. If you legit think he can be the 2nd option or 2nd best player on a championship team, id like to hear it.

It's like people default to attacking the poster when they don't agree with the post or comment. Now that's twitteresque.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The cult following starts up top. The delusion from the top sold Herro to the cult that he is some Devin Booker, Klay thompson on steroids type of player.

In reality he is the heat version of Brian Hartline. A white hero, that you force fed the ball to, but no where near as talented as any guard in the all nba teams.

Hartline leaves the dolphins, the fans go in an uproar because we just let go of a 1000 yard receiver, tannehlls favorite target!! and he does nothing for the other team. His position on the team was, there was no other player better. So who else will Tannehill throw the ball to. And force pass attempts to.

Even though he was severely limited, always got caught from behind, couldnt separate worth a ****, low athleticism with “deceptive” speed

Ive said it during the playoffs, Herro wouldnt be a starter in 14 of the 16 playoff teams, he wouldnt even start over Josh Hart.

First season we force the ball to him and we go what 37-45.. and that came with a flukey 10 game win streak at the very end so we could have been a lot worse.. and the cavs proved we were a lot worse.. and ty jerome, darius garland both embarassed herro.

He’s a scorer who can’t score in the playoffs, he sucks.

Goodnight.

And our "best" player was the 3rd best big in the series, so what are we really arguing about?

You’re arguing 1 series where 2 guys were served on a silver platter all series after our perimeter defenders got blown by while ours had to create everything for himself, I’m talking entire careers worth of evidence.

[marson]

Anyone who takes X (Twitter) seriously probably has a comprehension problem. RealGM used to be one of the best platforms for true basketball aficionados, but its quality has been declining ever since player fans started flooding in.

This really began during the Big 3 era, with the LeBron vs. D-Wade fan wars. After LeBron left, the board improved for a while, but starting around 2020/2021, the overall quality has been on a steady decline again.

The Big 3 era was fun though, every game thread will sometimes reach up to 100 pages, that's crazy.

Shaq_Diesel dropping the Lebron news in the lead up to the decision was mindblowing. What a time to be alive.

Wish Iggie would visit sometime, I hope dude is OK.

DoM was still a mod, and Rex and Tim were always active. Iggie and Chalm_Down might have moved on to other things since then.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

We were under the tax already and Wiggins is a decent player that fills a position of need and can fill it well if given the proper chance and role… with that said, Heat brass really going all in on wiping the books for next summer. Seems awfully obsessive to have all this cap space next summer when there are no major free agents… why!? If we do move Wiggins for more expiring contracts… my nose will begin tingling as something smells awfully reminiscent of 2009 heading into 2010.

Luka? I mean I know its pure speculation, but he's given no indication as of yet if he's staying, and LA doesn't have an advantage in money like the home team normally does because of the trade to acquire him.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Herro doesnt have the value many think he has.

And what value is that, my fellow Wigg... I mean, Heat fan?

I'm not even sold on Herro long term and would happily dump him for an upgrade if the possibility presents itself, but the strawmans and disparagement of the guy is getting silly. I've seen people claim that people on this board think he's a top 20 player in the league, and I ask, who? What post ever said that, I'd be the first one to say he's getting overrated.

It's not that he has a group of fans who overrate him and want to build the team around him, nobody ever says this. Even the posters who defend from the hate he gets don't talk about him like a franchise cornerstone. What it really is, is a group of posters that already divorced from the idea of him on the team years ago in their heads, and can't acknowledge he played pretty well last season. Combined with one in particular who makes everything a dick measuring contest to big up his favorite player who deserves a championship because... he's his favorite player? I don't even know. And yeah I'll keep bringing it up because others do too and I have nothing better to do and its the offseason.

I'm being the devil's advocate to defend Herro, and I still think he's barely a borderline top 50 player, with a ceiling as a 2nd option on a championship contender that will have to be hidden on defense, and doesn't deserve his max unless he morphs into the next Stephen Curry next season, which I do not expect. Any Herro fans on this board want to disagree with me and tell me I'm wrong there? Or conversely, anyone think that assessment is overrating him?

There is more than just realgm for people to discuss basketball. I dont get the personal attacks that seem to be rampant here. But anyways...

Go on to x, Twitter, reddit, etc.. there are comments there about herro being a top 20 talent. Just because you might not believe he's a top 50 player, doesn't mean others don't think he is.

I have never said he'd a bad player, but after watching a little more game film, he's the worst type of archtype to build ones team around. Absolute worst. If the goal is to contend, which seems to be what the bulk of heat fans want, I don't understand the cult following herro has. No team has ever won with this type of player (archtype, role, salary, etc..) But people expect herro to be a trailblazer? I think the odds are on my side with this one. It kinda reminds me of when monta Ellis was traded. The front office was boooed at games. They traded their one way bucket getter for a fundamental big in Bogut.

Back to value, after the bane trade, people suggested herro had similar value. And some thought he had more.

Personally, with his impending extension and archtype, I'm not sure he'd get you more than a player and a first from a contender. And maybe not even that. Treadmills or bottom dwellers might offer more, but that kinda makes my point.

I’ve been combing NBA depth charts relentlessly and i just don’t see a Tyler Herro trade that makes sense for us or the other team without selling really low. He’s worth more here right now. Maybe swapping out for Vassell and pick? Like you mentioned the team that also trades for him has to really like him with extension looming. Just too many factors working against a deal. We are kinda just stuck with him hoping he continues to get better because he’s too good just to let go for a low ball offer. We can win with Herro under the right build.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Anyone who takes X (Twitter) seriously probably has a comprehension problem. RealGM used to be one of the best platforms for true basketball aficionados, but its quality has been declining ever since player fans started flooding in.

This really began during the Big 3 era, with the LeBron vs. D-Wade fan wars. After LeBron left, the board improved for a while, but starting around 2020/2021, the overall quality has been on a steady decline again.

The Big 3 era was fun though, every game thread will sometimes reach up to 100 pages, that's crazy.

Shaq_Diesel dropping the Lebron news in the lead up to the decision was mindblowing. What a time to be alive.

Wish Iggie would visit sometime, I hope dude is OK.

DoM was still a mod, and Rex and Tim were always active. Iggie and Chalm_Down might have moved on to other things since then.

I have taken longish breaks but I really miss Lane and Mopper, the og's will know who I'm talking about. Lane always had sensible takes and Mopper was our resident stat expert who definitely flexed his muscle on the PC board back when that place was less captured by player fans.

[Crazy-Canuck]

There is more than just realgm for people to discuss basketball. I dont get the personal attacks that seem to be rampant here. But anyways...

Go on to x, Twitter, reddit, etc.. there are comments there about herro being a top 20 talent. Just because you might not believe he's a top 50 player, doesn't mean others don't think he is.

I have never said he'd a bad player, but after watching a little more game film, he's the worst type of archtype to build ones team around. Absolute worst. If the goal is to contend, which seems to be what the bulk of heat fans want, I don't understand the cult following herro has. No team has ever won with this type of player (archtype, role, salary, etc..) But people expect herro to be a trailblazer? I think the odds are on my side with this one. It kinda reminds me of when monta Ellis was traded. The front office was boooed at games. They traded their one way bucket getter for a fundamental big in Bogut.

Back to value, after the bane trade, people suggested herro had similar value. And some thought he had more.

Personally, with his impending extension and archtype, I'm not sure he'd get you more than a player and a first from a contender. And maybe not even that. Treadmills or bottom dwellers might offer more, but that kinda makes my point.

The cult following starts up top. The delusion from the top sold Herro to the cult that he is some Devin Booker, Klay thompson on steroids type of player.

In reality he is the heat version of Brian Hartline. A white hero, that you force fed the ball to, but no where near as talented as any guard in the all nba teams.

Hartline leaves the dolphins, the fans go in an uproar because we just let go of a 1000 yard receiver, tannehlls favorite target!! and he does nothing for the other team. His position on the team was, there was no other player better. So who else will Tannehill throw the ball to. And force pass attempts to.

Even though he was severely limited, always got caught from behind, couldnt separate worth a ****, low athleticism with “deceptive” speed

Ive said it during the playoffs, Herro wouldnt be a starter in 14 of the 16 playoff teams, he wouldnt even start over Josh Hart.

First season we force the ball to him and we go what 37-45.. and that came with a flukey 10 game win streak at the very end so we could have been a lot worse.. and the cavs proved we were a lot worse.. and ty jerome, darius garland both embarassed herro.

He’s a scorer who can’t score in the playoffs, he sucks.

Goodnight.

I actually don't think he sucks, I just don't think he has the right role.

He can be a weapon in the playoffs if used as a 6th man. Playing him when it's favorable, sit him when it's not. But that's hard to do when he gets or will get paid as much as he will. It's why the Powell deal is intriguing. If he heat ever get that alpha, the current roster basically has every archtype to build a contender.

Replace herro with a similar range pg and then add it to this current roster without any changes, it's contending in the East.

[HeatFanLifer]

Read on Twitter

He was a good guy who got overpaid and sort of acknowledged it even on his podcast, can't hate him too much but glad to not have to give him his paycheck anymore. Now watch him be the scrub of the night that lights us up whenever we play Detroit.

[Hallstar]

He’s a scorer who can’t score in the playoffs, he sucks.

Goodnight.

And our "best" player was the 3rd best big in the series, so what are we really arguing about?

You’re arguing 1 series where 2 guys were served on a silver platter all series after our perimeter defenders got blown by while ours had to create everything for himself, I’m talking entire careers worth of evidence.

Silver platter....Bam and Ware were both top 10 in dunks I think, are they out there dominating the post? We worked with what we had..period. Y'all always have these ridiculous expectations that no one else is held to.

[marson]

And what value is that, my fellow Wigg... I mean, Heat fan?

I'm not even sold on Herro long term and would happily dump him for an upgrade if the possibility presents itself, but the strawmans and disparagement of the guy is getting silly. I've seen people claim that people on this board think he's a top 20 player in the league, and I ask, who? What post ever said that, I'd be the first one to say he's getting overrated.

It's not that he has a group of fans who overrate him and want to build the team around him, nobody ever says this. Even the posters who defend from the hate he gets don't talk about him like a franchise cornerstone. What it really is, is a group of posters that already divorced from the idea of him on the team years ago in their heads, and can't acknowledge he played pretty well last season. Combined with one in particular who makes everything a dick measuring contest to big up his favorite player who deserves a championship because... he's his favorite player? I don't even know. And yeah I'll keep bringing it up because others do too and I have nothing better to do and its the offseason.

I'm being the devil's advocate to defend Herro, and I still think he's barely a borderline top 50 player, with a ceiling as a 2nd option on a championship contender that will have to be hidden on defense, and doesn't deserve his max unless he morphs into the next Stephen Curry next season, which I do not expect. Any Herro fans on this board want to disagree with me and tell me I'm wrong there? Or conversely, anyone think that assessment is overrating him?

There is more than just realgm for people to discuss basketball. I dont get the personal attacks that seem to be rampant here. But anyways...

Go on to x, Twitter, reddit, etc.. there are comments there about herro being a top 20 talent. Just because you might not believe he's a top 50 player, doesn't mean others don't think he is.

I have never said he'd a bad player, but after watching a little more game film, he's the worst type of archtype to build ones team around. Absolute worst. If the goal is to contend, which seems to be what the bulk of heat fans want, I don't understand the cult following herro has. No team has ever won with this type of player (archtype, role, salary, etc..) But people expect herro to be a trailblazer? I think the odds are on my side with this one. It kinda reminds me of when monta Ellis was traded. The front office was boooed at games. They traded their one way bucket getter for a fundamental big in Bogut.

Back to value, after the bane trade, people suggested herro had similar value. And some thought he had more.

Personally, with his impending extension and archtype, I'm not sure he'd get you more than a player and a first from a contender. And maybe not even that. Treadmills or bottom dwellers might offer more, but that kinda makes my point.

I’ve been combing NBA depth charts relentlessly and i just don’t see a Tyler Herro trade they makes sense for us or the other team without selling really low. He’s worth more here right now. Maybe swapping out for Vassell and pick? Like you mentioned the team that also trades for him has to really like him with extension looming. Just too many factors working against a deal. We are kinda just stuck with him hoping he continues to get better because he’s too good just to let go for a low ball offer. We can win with Herro under the right build.

Yeah, we're stuck with Herro for now, but I'd be open to trading him if the price is right, but at the moment, there aren’t any viable targets available.

I still think he has one more leap in him. He really needs to study Steph Curry’s defensive game, I've been banging the drum for years, he needs to improve his defensive IQ.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Rozier for Vucevic...then sign Dame.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

The cult following starts up top. The delusion from the top sold Herro to the cult that he is some Devin Booker, Klay thompson on steroids type of player.

In reality he is the heat version of Brian Hartline. A white hero, that you force fed the ball to, but no where near as talented as any guard in the all nba teams.

Hartline leaves the dolphins, the fans go in an uproar because we just let go of a 1000 yard receiver, tannehlls favorite target!! and he does nothing for the other team. His position on the team was, there was no other player better. So who else will Tannehill throw the ball to. And force pass attempts to.

Even though he was severely limited, always got caught from behind, couldnt separate worth a ****, low athleticism with “deceptive” speed

Ive said it during the playoffs, Herro wouldnt be a starter in 14 of the 16 playoff teams, he wouldnt even start over Josh Hart.

First season we force the ball to him and we go what 37-45.. and that came with a flukey 10 game win streak at the very end so we could have been a lot worse.. and the cavs proved we were a lot worse.. and ty jerome, darius garland both embarassed herro.

He’s a scorer who can’t score in the playoffs, he sucks.

Goodnight.

I actually don't think he sucks, I just don't think he has the right role.

He can be a weapon in the playoffs if used as a 6th man. Playing him when it's favorable, sit him when it's not. But that's hard to do when he gets or will get paid as much as he will. It's why the Powell deal is intriguing. If he heat ever get that alpha, the current roster basically has every archtype to build a contender.

Replace herro with a similar range pg and then add it to this current roster without any changes, it's contending in the East.

I understand you haven't been a Heat fan for that long, but this isn't the Tyler of a few years ago who had to be a 6th man to have a positive impact. While I agree defensively you might still prefer to sit him at times depending on certain matchups or who you have playing with him, overall he was a very positive impact player last season, and I think some either feel it was a fluke that didn't hold in the playoffs or that he's still the same player he was in years prior.

I'm willing to ignore the playoff performance because the entire team massively collectively **** the bed there, though he does still have to prove it in a scenario where there is a supporting cast that matters. But writing him off as this 6th man type that has to be on a leash to have any positive impact ignores all of his growth last season, or again, just writes it off as a fluke. 36th in the league in BPM, 19th in VORP, these are not numbers of a 6th man that can't be trusted. Unless you're saying he's more like a Manu Ginobili type, but I'm definitely not getting that impression from your posts here.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I’ve been combing NBA depth charts relentlessly and i just don’t see a Tyler Herro trade they makes sense for us or the other team without selling really low. He’s worth more here right now. Maybe swapping out for Vassell and pick? Like you mentioned the team that also trades for him has to really like him with extension looming. Just too many factors working against a deal. We are kinda just stuck with him hoping he continues to get better because he’s too good just to let go for a low ball offer. We can win with Herro under the right build.

Yeah, we're stuck with Herro for now, but I'd be open to trading him if the price is right, but at the moment, there aren’t any viable targets available.

I still think he has one more leap in him. He really needs to study Steph Curry’s defensive game, I've been banging the drum for years, he needs to improve his defensive IQ.

I don't have Herro penciled in as a guy that's going to be there for us long term, but I haven't written him off either. For it to work out, I think he's gotta end up being sort of a de facto point guard like Curry. No he'll never get you 10 assists a game, so you also need capable ball handlers/passers at other positions, but its the best way to deal with his defense, because most teams don't have great defenders at the 1.

And I do think he has the BBIQ to fit in on a good squad now, he showed a lot last year. This isn't Herro of 2-3 years ago, who I agree had a ceiling of 6th man on a true contender.

[marson]

I’ve been combing NBA depth charts relentlessly and i just don’t see a Tyler Herro trade they makes sense for us or the other team without selling really low. He’s worth more here right now. Maybe swapping out for Vassell and pick? Like you mentioned the team that also trades for him has to really like him with extension looming. Just too many factors working against a deal. We are kinda just stuck with him hoping he continues to get better because he’s too good just to let go for a low ball offer. We can win with Herro under the right build.

Yeah, we're stuck with Herro for now, but I'd be open to trading him if the price is right, but at the moment, there aren’t any viable targets available.

I still think he has one more leap in him. He really needs to study Steph Curry’s defensive game, I've been banging the drum for years, he needs to improve his defensive IQ.

I don't have Herro penciled in as a guy that's going to be there for us long term, but I haven't written him off either. For it to work out, I think he's gotta end up being sort of a de facto point guard like Curry. No he'll never get you 10 assists a game, so you also need capable ball handlers/passers at other positions, but its the best way to deal with his defense, because most teams don't have great defenders at the 1.

And I do think he has the BBIQ to fit in on a good squad now, he showed a lot last year. This isn't Herro of 2-3 years ago, who I agree had a ceiling of 6th man on a true contender.

This is likely FO vision going forward. It pretty much confirms that Herro is locked in as the PG, with Mitch backing him up.

Let’s give Herro a real shot to show what he can do at full PG in his second year next season.