Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[Fierce1]

Pacers gave us a clue.

They announced that Hali will be out for the entire 2026 season.

Hali got hurt in June.

JT who got hurt in May has never said he will not be playing in 2026.

Cs also have not made an announcement about JT missing the 2026 season.

Knowing JT's history, when it comes to injuries, he will return if he's healed by March.

I actually took that as a clue that Tatum will miss the entire season.

Since Haliburton tore his achilles a month later than Tatum did, of course that means Haliburton is less likely to play next season..he obviously is about a month behind Tatum in terms of returning to basketball activities. So it makes sense that Haliburton would be the first one to announce he will miss the entire season - before Tatum.

However, they both tore their achilles in the playoffs. If Player A tore his achilles in the playoffs and is out for the entire 25-26 season, it seems reasonable to assume Player B who tore his achilles in the playoffs will also miss the entire 25-26 season. Just because one of them got injured a month earlier than the other, I doubt it would make that much of a difference that Tatum plays next season but Haliburton doesn't.

Bottom line, both of them are are young franchise players. Not worth it to risk bringing them back too soon.

Not to mention the Celtics are known to keep things closer to the vest when it comes to sharing injury timelines publicly. Last year the Pacers came right out and said that Wiseman and Ijax were done for the year. Meanwhile, the Celtics were very coy with Gallinari a couple years ago, refusing to admit he was done for the year and leading fans to believe there might be a chance he would come back. that season - but he didn't.

It will be like waiting for a baby to be born because March is still 8 months away.

So we'll just have to wait 8 months to know for sure.

[djFan71]

Who says no? This assumes Beal doesn't go to the Clippers

BOS: SloMo for Simons. Duck the tax.
LAC: Simons for Bogi, DJJ, 2nds from SAC.
SAC: DJJ for 2nds.
UTA: Bogi for SloMo

BOS ducks the tax. Fulfills the inevitable SloMo timeline.
LAC gets what people see here in Simons - scoring and creation. Anchors the 2nd unit scoring.
SAC gets a good player who defends. They may balk at that last part.
UTA gets the better player. Can flip later in the summer for an asset.

Celtics can duck the tax in February 2026, if that's the goal.

Why the rush to trade Simons?

I think it's better to wait and see.

I don't think you can trade him at the deadline and save enough. Teams will use up more of the exceptions/ cap space that are available now. There will be less options come deadline time.

[fallguy]

Simons could have been rerouted if it's just about the tax.

Simons can only be traded with other players after September 7, so we may need to way two months (or more) to see where this story ends. The same is true for Niang.

Ah, I didn't know that.

I'm sort of pro-Niang but that's good intel re: Simons.

[fallguy]

Pacers gave us a clue.

They announced that Hali will be out for the entire 2026 season.

Hali got hurt in June.

JT who got hurt in May has never said he will not be playing in 2026.

Cs also have not made an announcement about JT missing the 2026 season.

Knowing JT's history, when it comes to injuries, he will return if he's healed by March.

I actually took that as a clue that Tatum will miss the entire season.

Since Haliburton tore his achilles a month later than Tatum did, of course that means Haliburton is less likely to play next season..he obviously is about a month behind Tatum in terms of returning to basketball activities. So it makes sense that Haliburton would be the first one to announce he will miss the entire season - before Tatum.

However, they both tore their achilles in the playoffs. If Player A tore his achilles in the playoffs and is out for the entire 25-26 season, it seems reasonable to assume Player B who tore his achilles in the playoffs will also miss the entire 25-26 season. Just because one of them got injured a month earlier than the other, I doubt it would make that much of a difference that Tatum plays next season but Haliburton doesn't.

Bottom line, both of them are are young franchise players. Not worth it to risk bringing them back too soon.

Not to mention the Celtics are known to keep things closer to the vest when it comes to sharing injury timelines publicly. Last year the Pacers came right out and said that Wiseman and Ijax were done for the year. Meanwhile, the Celtics were very coy with Gallinari a couple years ago, refusing to admit he was done for the year and leading fans to believe there might be a chance he would come back. that season - but he didn't.

It will be like waiting for a baby to be born because March is still 8 months away.

So we'll just have to wait 8 months to know for sure.

But you'll keep insisting, with no evidence, that Tatum will be back next year?

[return2glory]

It's not up to me to figure it out. That's not the point.

The question is, how does it make them better in 2026?

No one can answer that. Any more than I can answer what they should of done.

It's not 2026-2027 season yet. It's sports. It's entertaining. I can't tell others how to feel, I'm just happy we won a title in 2024. That's only the 2nd time after the 1986 championship. Guess what, it was fun but it's didn't make my life an better. Just like losing doesn't make my life worse.

It's a game. The players and owners win, even when they lose. Because they make millions and do something they love.

The point of this forum is to commentate in real time on how things unfold.

I'm the one who's talking about what's happening now. The ones who are responding to me apparently think I lack the ability to see the bigger picture.

Same as you, the title didn't change my life. It made me pretty satiated frankly. Still, if you're going to argue that these are the right moves, you're gonna need more than "you dummies don't understand the cba"

That isn't a commentary on you. It's what those of us who are asking what the plan here is are dealing with for simply having the balls to be so negative on how badly this off-season has been.

Keep in mind my original post simply was "imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster"

And like flies on **** people were quick to tell me how stupid I am in so many words for not understanding that we don't have a championship roster and that no one goes into the second apron on this cba.

I get it. I promise you all I'm not ignoring the facts here.

No one should be calling you names for thinking differently. That's their own insecurities, if that's the case. I respect your viewpoint. If everyone here thought the same way, it would not be all that exciting.

The fact is we have lost 5 of our top 9 rotation players (Jrue, KP, Kornet, Al pretty soon and Tatum for a year). So no, we aren't better than the 2024 championship team. That's obvious. But last year's playoff team wasn't all that good, so they didn't compare to the championship team.

Losing a top 5-8 player in the league in Tatum was a huge loss. Other than him, Al is 39. Jrue was not close to being the same player as the year before. KP was useless in the playoffs. Kornet averaged 4 points and 3 rebounds in round 1. In round 2, he has one fluke game. His production can be replaced by Queta.

This is a gap year. We have to wait a year before Tatum is back. Tatum, Brown and White is a really good start to contending. Pritchard and Hauser are still here. A year from now, Hugo might have a chance to be a starter. Him or Baylor or maybe someone else Brad trades for. If Hugo or Baylor are ready to start a year from now, all Brad needs to do is get a starting center. He has a year to do that. He has draft picks and a a player or two to trade to get the piece we need. This isn't a finished product.

[jirrit]

I’m catching up posts, now at page 67.

Can we vote kick people? Asking for a friend.

[Fierce1]

Who says no? This assumes Beal doesn't go to the Clippers

BOS: SloMo for Simons. Duck the tax.
LAC: Simons for Bogi, DJJ, 2nds from SAC.
SAC: DJJ for 2nds.
UTA: Bogi for SloMo

BOS ducks the tax. Fulfills the inevitable SloMo timeline.
LAC gets what people see here in Simons - scoring and creation. Anchors the 2nd unit scoring.
SAC gets a good player who defends. They may balk at that last part.
UTA gets the better player. Can flip later in the summer for an asset.

Celtics can duck the tax in February 2026, if that's the goal.

Why the rush to trade Simons?

I think it's better to wait and see.

I don't think you can trade him at the deadline and save enough. Teams will use up more of the exceptions/ cap space that are available now. There will be less options come deadline time.

Trade deadline is only the last option.

Cs can trade him December and January as well.

Point is it's not now or never.

[Fierce1]

I actually took that as a clue that Tatum will miss the entire season.

Since Haliburton tore his achilles a month later than Tatum did, of course that means Haliburton is less likely to play next season..he obviously is about a month behind Tatum in terms of returning to basketball activities. So it makes sense that Haliburton would be the first one to announce he will miss the entire season - before Tatum.

However, they both tore their achilles in the playoffs. If Player A tore his achilles in the playoffs and is out for the entire 25-26 season, it seems reasonable to assume Player B who tore his achilles in the playoffs will also miss the entire 25-26 season. Just because one of them got injured a month earlier than the other, I doubt it would make that much of a difference that Tatum plays next season but Haliburton doesn't.

Bottom line, both of them are are young franchise players. Not worth it to risk bringing them back too soon.

Not to mention the Celtics are known to keep things closer to the vest when it comes to sharing injury timelines publicly. Last year the Pacers came right out and said that Wiseman and Ijax were done for the year. Meanwhile, the Celtics were very coy with Gallinari a couple years ago, refusing to admit he was done for the year and leading fans to believe there might be a chance he would come back. that season - but he didn't.

It will be like waiting for a baby to be born because March is still 8 months away.

So we'll just have to wait 8 months to know for sure.

But you'll keep insisting, with no evidence, that Tatum will be back next year?

Numerous articles have already come out saying JT will be out for most of the 2026 season.

I just shared one a few days ago.

It was from ESPN and it said JT will be out for most of 2026, but it never said JT will be out for the entire 2026 season.

I'm not speculating, I'm basing it on news reports.

[brackdan70]

It's not up to me to figure it out. That's not the point.

The question is, how does it make them better in 2026?

No one can answer that. Any more than I can answer what they should have done.

It’s as if you are turning a blind eye to reality. It’s fine if you want to keep that up.
Before these offseason moves the Celtics for 26/27 had JT, JB, White, Pritchard, Hauser, Queta, Scheierman, Walsh, and a 36 yo Jrue and would have to shed about 15 million$ to get under the tax.
The only difference now is they don’t have Jrue and his contract and they have bird rights on Simons and flexibility. They are clearly in a much better place than they were before the trades unless you expected Porzingis to resign for cheap and play 70 games and Jrue to improve from 34 to 36.

The question is, if it's to make us better in the future, I asked how.

So you're saying much better but you've not mentioned how?

You're on record that the pieces we got in return are going to be better than the pieces we sent out? That's the "much better position" you're referring to?

Flexibility. The ability to make trades and ad free agents. Without the trades that was not there.

[Fierce1]

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/jayson-tatum-gives-celtics-fans-193028042.html

Will Jayson Tatum play next season

If Justin Tatum's estimation proves true, then Tatum may be able to play during the 2025–2026 regular season, as an eight- to nine-month recovery time places his return during February or March.

[djFan71]

Celtics can duck the tax in February 2026, if that's the goal.

Why the rush to trade Simons?

I think it's better to wait and see.

I don't think you can trade him at the deadline and save enough. Teams will use up more of the exceptions/ cap space that are available now. There will be less options come deadline time.

Trade deadline is only the last option.

Cs can trade him December and January as well.

Point is it's not now or never.

Never said it was. It almost surely doesn’t happen before the Lillard and Beal situations resolve. But, I think start of the regular season is a big date if you are shooting for that level of savings to duck the tax. Teams will see their rosters as more set and have used up most of their budget for the year, so saving $15-18M is going to be real hard after that point. If you are looking for the best player in return and don’t care about the tax, then into the season is fine. But, obviously you have a little less certainty by holding on that long.

[Fierce1]

It’s as if you are turning a blind eye to reality. It’s fine if you want to keep that up.
Before these offseason moves the Celtics for 26/27 had JT, JB, White, Pritchard, Hauser, Queta, Scheierman, Walsh, and a 36 yo Jrue and would have to shed about 15 million$ to get under the tax.
The only difference now is they don’t have Jrue and his contract and they have bird rights on Simons and flexibility. They are clearly in a much better place than they were before the trades unless you expected Porzingis to resign for cheap and play 70 games and Jrue to improve from 34 to 36.

The question is, if it's to make us better in the future, I asked how.

So you're saying much better but you've not mentioned how?

You're on record that the pieces we got in return are going to be better than the pieces we sent out? That's the "much better position" you're referring to?

Flexibility. The ability to make trades and ad screw agents. Without the trades that was not there.

Bingo!

Flexibility is the ability to improve and get better.

It's foresight that seems lacking from the ones who don't like moves Brad made.

[Fierce1]

I don't think you can trade him at the deadline and save enough. Teams will use up more of the exceptions/ cap space that are available now. There will be less options come deadline time.

Trade deadline is only the last option.

Cs can trade him December and January as well.

Point is it's not now or never.

Never said it was. It almost surely doesn’t happen before the Lillard and Beal situations resolve. But, I think start of the regular season is a big date if you are shooting for that level of savings to duck the tax. Teams will see their rosters as more set and have used up most of their budget for the year, so saving $15-18M is going to be real hard after that point. If you are looking for the best player in return and don’t care about the tax, then into the season is fine. But, obviously you have a little less certainty by holding on that long.

If Simons becomes really good for the Cs then you'll have the option of re-signing him.

We won't know if he doesn't get a chance to play for the Cs.

[31to6]

It will be like waiting for a baby to be born because March is still 8 months away.

So we'll just have to wait 8 months to know for sure.

But you'll keep insisting, with no evidence, that Tatum will be back next year?

Numerous articles have already come out saying JT will be out for most of the 2026 season.

I just shared one a few days ago.

It was from ESPN and it said JT will be out for most of 2026, but it never said JT will be out for the entire 2026 season.

I'm not speculating, I'm basing it on news reports.

No one is reporting anything, because unless you are Marty McFly then no one knows. Tatum hasn’t been declared out for the season (yet) so journalists are just being polite/lazily parroting each other by not declaring him out for the season on his behalf or the team’s behalf.

[djFan71]

Trade deadline is only the last option.

Cs can trade him December and January as well.

Point is it's not now or never.

Never said it was. It almost surely doesn’t happen before the Lillard and Beal situations resolve. But, I think start of the regular season is a big date if you are shooting for that level of savings to duck the tax. Teams will see their rosters as more set and have used up most of their budget for the year, so saving $15-18M is going to be real hard after that point. If you are looking for the best player in return and don’t care about the tax, then into the season is fine. But, obviously you have a little less certainty by holding on that long.

If Simons becomes really good for the Cs then you'll have the option of re-signing him.

We won't know if he doesn't get a chance to play for the Cs.

Man, it’s nice to have a consistent thing we’re debating here, lol.

I think you can know based on his previous seasons and extrapolate a best, worst and median case scenario. If you wanna hold on to him and see him play and hope for the best case one vs solving more of the financial concerns now, that’s valid. But it’s not feasible to both, imo.

[31to6]

Fierce, you have seven posts on this page to date, and 10 on the last page.

You didn’t seem to choose your username at random!

[Fierce1]

Never said it was. It almost surely doesn’t happen before the Lillard and Beal situations resolve. But, I think start of the regular season is a big date if you are shooting for that level of savings to duck the tax. Teams will see their rosters as more set and have used up most of their budget for the year, so saving $15-18M is going to be real hard after that point. If you are looking for the best player in return and don’t care about the tax, then into the season is fine. But, obviously you have a little less certainty by holding on that long.

If Simons becomes really good for the Cs then you'll have the option of re-signing him.

We won't know if he doesn't get a chance to play for the Cs.

Man, it’s nice to have a consistent thing we’re debating here, lol.

I think you can know based on his previous seasons and extrapolate a best, worst and median case scenario. If you wanna hold on to him and see him play and hope for the best case one vs solving more of the financial concerns now, that’s valid. But it’s not feasible to both, imo.

Yeah, that's why I said one day at a time.

So far Simons passed the first checkpoint, July 6.

Next up is Sep. 7.

I'm not against trading Simons.

I just don't want to dump him for SloMo, Mann, or Naji.

[Fierce1]

Fierce, you have seven posts on this page to date, and 10 on the last page.

You didn’t seem to choose your username at random!

I don't believe in multiple usernames.

[djFan71]

If Simons becomes really good for the Cs then you'll have the option of re-signing him.

We won't know if he doesn't get a chance to play for the Cs.

Man, it’s nice to have a consistent thing we’re debating here, lol.

I think you can know based on his previous seasons and extrapolate a best, worst and median case scenario. If you wanna hold on to him and see him play and hope for the best case one vs solving more of the financial concerns now, that’s valid. But it’s not feasible to both, imo.

Yeah, that's why I said one day at a time.

So far Simons passed the first checkpoint, July 6.

Next up is Sep. 7.

I'm not against trading Simons.

I just don't want to dump him for SloMo, Mann, or Naji.

That’s fine, I just disagree with your idea that we can keep him and still duck the tax in Feb 2026.

[The Corey's]

It’s as if you are turning a blind eye to reality. It’s fine if you want to keep that up.
Before these offseason moves the Celtics for 26/27 had JT, JB, White, Pritchard, Hauser, Queta, Scheierman, Walsh, and a 36 yo Jrue and would have to shed about 15 million$ to get under the tax.
The only difference now is they don’t have Jrue and his contract and they have bird rights on Simons and flexibility. They are clearly in a much better place than they were before the trades unless you expected Porzingis to resign for cheap and play 70 games and Jrue to improve from 34 to 36.

The question is, if it's to make us better in the future, I asked how.

So you're saying much better but you've not mentioned how?

You're on record that the pieces we got in return are going to be better than the pieces we sent out? That's the "much better position" you're referring to?

Flexibility. The ability to make trades and ad free agents. Without the trades that was not there.

Ok. But that goes to my point. They can't add anyone of significance in free agency due to cap limitations and if they're going to go the route of trading, they only have so much to offer.

The Jays, Hauser, White and Pritchard is about all the value they have left to work with.

It's not going to be easy.