Suns Have Officallly Begun Discussions Of Bradley Beal Buyout

[NCHeels2008]

I hope he goes to the Bucks, I worry for the Lakers defense adding Beal when they already have to cover for Luka and Reaves

[tsherkin]

Lower volume he shot? more threes than MPJ went to the line more (actually double the amount of times).

Didn't say "3pt volume."

So he more effective and More efficient at it than MPJ.

Similar efficiency, similar 3pt shooting. Only one season of comparable scoring volume, which is relevant because MPJ was shouldering meaningful volume for the Nuggets.

But I view Cam as a better fit and a better player on Denver

We will see, I suppose. I hope you're right, and more importantly, that you're right and that he plays enough for it to matter.

[AleksandarN]

Lower volume he shot? more threes than MPJ went to the line more (actually double the amount of times).

Didn't say "3pt volume."

So he more effective and More efficient at it than MPJ.

Similar efficiency, similar 3pt shooting. Only one season of comparable scoring volume, which is relevant because MPJ was shouldering meaningful volume for the Nuggets.

But I view Cam as a better fit and a better player on Denver

We will see, I suppose. I hope you're right, and more importantly, that you're right and that he plays enough for it to matter.

Efficiency and effectiveness I was talking about free throws. Not 3 pt percentages. Sorry if it wasn’t clearer in the post

[tsherkin]

Efficiency and effectiveness I was talking about free throws. Not 3 pt percentages. Sorry if it wasn’t clearer in the post

We'll see what the season brings. But yes, Cam is a better FT shooter than MPJ, that is certainly true (and especially relative to this past season). I don't know that it will matter much at that volume, and MPJ's FT shooting hasn't really been an impediment to the Denver's success, so I'm not sure it matters at all, but he's consistently a better FT shooter and sometimes a little better about getting there in the first place.

[AleksandarN]

Efficiency and effectiveness I was talking about free throws. Not 3 pt percentages. Sorry if it wasn’t clearer in the post

We'll see what the season brings. But yes, Cam is a better FT shooter than MPJ, that is certainly true (and especially relative to this past season). I don't know that it will matter much at that volume, and MPJ's FT shooting hasn't really been an impediment to the Denver's success, so I'm not sure it matters at all, but he's consistently a better FT shooter and sometimes a little better about getting there in the first place.

I think the amount of fts is indicative to the aspect Cam is better than MPJ at cutting and driving to the basket to draw those fouls. Another thing that is over looked is how much faster Cam’s release is compared MPJ although MPJ release point is higher. With the motion offense that Denver runs will help.

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[tsherkin]

I think the amount of fts is indicative to the aspect Cam is better than MPJ at cutting and driving to the basket to draw though fouls. Another thing that is over looked is how much faster Cam’s release is compared MPJ although MPJ release point is higher. With the motion offense that Denver runs will help.

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I don't think the difference in release speed is a meaningful thing. Honestly, I think people would be complaining less about MPJ if he was healthy in the OKC series and they'd advanced, to be frank.

[Johnny Bball]

Makes no sense. Suns are not going to compete soon. Play him for the year, and if he's a cancer, suspend him for the entire year. Then next year they can just waive him/pay him out or use him as an expiring to add picks, if there's an even worse contract out there. Which is pretty tough to find but not impossible.

But to hamstring their cap for 5 years makes no sense.

[AleksandarN]

Makes no sense. Suns are not going to compete soon. Play him for the year, and if he's a cancer, suspend him for the entire year. Then next year they can just waive him/pay him out or use him as an expiring to add picks, if there's an even worse contract out there. Which is pretty tough to find but not impossible.

But to hamstring their cap for 5 years makes no sense.

Well giving the penalties for being in the 2nd apron back to back is just as bad or worse with them losing draft picks and all other restrictions associated with that. You can say being in the aprons are more restrictive than adding 20 plus million in dead cap. Actually I bet the Suns save more money in tax penalties than what it costs to buy him out.

[Memories]

Makes no sense. Suns are not going to compete soon. Play him for the year, and if he's a cancer, suspend him for the entire year. Then next year they can just waive him/pay him out or use him as an expiring to add picks, if there's an even worse contract out there. Which is pretty tough to find but not impossible.

But to hamstring their cap for 5 years makes no sense.

Well giving the penalties for being in the 2nd apron back to back is just as bad or worse with them losing draft picks and all other restrictions associated with that. You can say being in the aprons are more restrictive than adding 20 plus million in dead cap. Actually I bet the Suns save more money in tax penalties than what it costs to buy him out.

Is there no other way for them to get under the 2nd tax apron?

[Johnny Bball]

Makes no sense. Suns are not going to compete soon. Play him for the year, and if he's a cancer, suspend him for the entire year. Then next year they can just waive him/pay him out or use him as an expiring to add picks, if there's an even worse contract out there. Which is pretty tough to find but not impossible.

But to hamstring their cap for 5 years makes no sense.

Well giving the penalties for being in the 2nd apron back to back is just as bad or worse with them losing draft picks and all other restrictions associated with that. You can say being in the aprons are more restrictive than adding 20 plus million in dead cap. Actually I bet the Suns save more money in tax penalties than what it costs to buy him out.

Money is money, but cap space is the overriding issue. O'Neal probably goes in this trade somehow eventually and cuts ten more off. I mean... I would stretch Oneal before Beal if I just wanted to get under. If they know Beal can get paid the same amount if a UFA I guess they have no problem. But I don;t think that happens ever.

[AleksandarN]

Makes no sense. Suns are not going to compete soon. Play him for the year, and if he's a cancer, suspend him for the entire year. Then next year they can just waive him/pay him out or use him as an expiring to add picks, if there's an even worse contract out there. Which is pretty tough to find but not impossible.

But to hamstring their cap for 5 years makes no sense.

Well giving the penalties for being in the 2nd apron back to back is just as bad or worse with them losing draft picks and all other restrictions associated with that. You can say being in the aprons are more restrictive than adding 20 plus million in dead cap. Actually I bet the Suns save more money in tax penalties than what it costs to buy him out.

Money is money, but cap space is the overriding issue. O'Neal probably goes in this trade somehow eventually and cuts ten more off. I mean... I would stretch Oneal before Beal if I just wanted to get under. If they know Beal can get paid the same amount if a UFA I guess they have no problem. But I don;t think that happens ever.

By stretching Beal they get under both tax aprons. That’s huge. You can then trade draft picks use more of the mid level excemption it creates a lot more flexibility on their end. You aggregate salaries for trades etc.

[Johnny Bball]

Well giving the penalties for being in the 2nd apron back to back is just as bad or worse with them losing draft picks and all other restrictions associated with that. You can say being in the aprons are more restrictive than adding 20 plus million in dead cap. Actually I bet the Suns save more money in tax penalties than what it costs to buy him out.

Money is money, but cap space is the overriding issue. O'Neal probably goes in this trade somehow eventually and cuts ten more off. I mean... I would stretch Oneal before Beal if I just wanted to get under. If they know Beal can get paid the same amount if a UFA I guess they have no problem. But I don;t think that happens ever.

By stretching Beal they get under both tax aprons. That’s huge. You can then trade draft picks use more of the mid level excemption it creates a lot more flexibility on their end. You aggregate salaries for trades etc.

Or by years end they coiuld trade Brooks or Green, etc. They can use the midlevel at the deadline if they get under. I think what's not clear is this... next year is a total right off.

Their FRP next year is swapped to Washington. Protected 9-30. That pretty much guarantees they will get a very high draft pick if they tank, or they will keep the pick if they manage to somehow do decently.

[AleksandarN]

Money is money, but cap space is the overriding issue. O'Neal probably goes in this trade somehow eventually and cuts ten more off. I mean... I would stretch Oneal before Beal if I just wanted to get under. If they know Beal can get paid the same amount if a UFA I guess they have no problem. But I don;t think that happens ever.

By stretching Beal they get under both tax aprons. That’s huge. You can then trade draft picks use more of the mid level excemption it creates a lot more flexibility on their end. You aggregate salaries for trades etc.

Or by years end they coiuld trade Brooks or Green, etc. They can use the midlevel at the deadline if they get under. I think what's not clear is this... next year is a total right off.

Their FRP next year is swapped to Washington. Protected 9-30. That pretty much guarantees they will get a very high draft pick if they tank, or they will keep the pick if they manage to somehow do decently.

By stretching Beal they will save 230 million dollars. Like you said the next two seasons are a wash. Makes perfect sense to save 230 million dollars given that team. That’s before them saving their own draft picks which they would have forfeit so they wouldn’t have a lotto pick unless they get under those aprons . It would be stupid not to stretch Beal if they can. It is up to Beal though to agree to the buyout as he has to give up over 10 million

https://frontofficesports.com/how-bradley-beal-buyout-would-save-suns-230m-and-whats-next/#:~:text=According%20to%20salary%20cap%20analyst,the%20avoidance%20of%20repeater%20penalties.

However, stretched contacts must only count for up to 15% of the current salary cap ($154.6 million), meaning Beal would need to give back close to $14 million to the Suns. According to salary cap analyst Yossi Gozlan, the move would put Phoenix under the second apron and luxury tax while also saving the team more than $200 million due to the avoidance of repeater penalties.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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Sounds like he’s Clipper bound to replace Norman Powell.

I’d definitely swap Powell, Coffey, Eubanks for Beal, Collins and Brook Lopez. They get way more front court help, better depth, and a lot more athletic with Collins

[In-N-Out 247]

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Sounds like he’s Clipper bound to replace Norman Powell.

I’d definitely swap Powell, Coffey, Eubanks for Beal, Collins and Brook Lopez. They get way more front court help, better depth, and a lot more athletic with Collins

Just took a peak at the Clippers cap situation - they are obviously way over the cap. They have $5,354,000 left of the MLE to use. So that's the most they can offer to Beal. If he has to take about a $14M cut off of what he is owed to allow the Suns to stretch and waive him, that means he'll lose about $3M. That assumes the Clippers give him a 2 year $11M deal. Guessing 2nd year would be a PO so he could try and get more money next year if possible.

Lakers might actually have a shot at Beal (assuming he actually does get waived). If they were to find a trade to dump some salary, they could open up the BAE which is $5,134,000 - that's not too far off of what the Clippers can offer.

[SkyBill40]

Beal's not going to get all the money back he's going to sacrifice from the Clippers (or potentially others at this point). They don't have it available and have maybe ~$5M at most. If he wants to recoup as much as possible on what he loses, he's going to need to look elsewhere.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Beal's not going to get all the money back he's going to sacrifice from the Clippers (or potentially others at this point). They don't have it available and have maybe ~$5M at most. If he wants to recoup as much as possible on what he loses, he's going to need to look elsewhere.

Lots of smoke. It’s happening IMO. Heavy Vegas favorites to land him right now.

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[SkyBill40]

Beal's not going to get all the money back he's going to sacrifice from the Clippers (or potentially others at this point). They don't have it available and have maybe ~$5M at most. If he wants to recoup as much as possible on what he loses, he's going to need to look elsewhere.

Lots of smoke. It’s happening IMO. Heavy Vegas favorites to land him right now.

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Oh, I get the allure of him bringing some extra help, but I dunno. Stranger things have happened but expecting him to give up ~ $14M is a tall order. He earned that contract and while he's betting on himself, his hand isn't very kind nor are the river cards. If he can somehow stay healthy, and we all know big of an ask that is, he could help the Clippers out in several areas... but the health thing is a lingering and longstanding specter in his closet.

The fact that we're even to this point is disappointing and speaks to a lack of basketball sense by Ishbia. Everyone told him this wasn't going to work but he wouldn't listen, having gone ahead and made the trade anyway. Now he's left wearing a seemingly permanent mask of egg on his face and he'll never own this for what it was: stupid.

[CS707]

Beal's not going to get all the money back he's going to sacrifice from the Clippers (or potentially others at this point). They don't have it available and have maybe ~$5M at most. If he wants to recoup as much as possible on what he loses, he's going to need to look elsewhere.

Lots of smoke. It’s happening IMO. Heavy Vegas favorites to land him right now.

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I'm not sure hanging out with James Harden is a selling point for any spouse haha.

[Fo-Real]

Brad is not a 50 mil a year player but he can still ball.