[Charania] Jakob Extended - 4 Years $104m

[ConSarnit]

You're grossly underrating Purtle

Also why wouldn't Poeltl be a great fit with Luka? He's not a lob threat but he's still an excellent role man and one of the most efficienct finishers in the paint. The Fred and Poeltl pick and roll was by far our best offensive options in the little time they had together

The pnr died immediately in the playoffs (play-in game against the Bulls, but whatever), due to a combination of Fred and Jak's limitations. The bigger issue for the Lakers was they initially wanted someone younger to grow with Luka.

The C market is going to be limited just by the nature of the position. Teams don't want to invest a ton of money into a lot of players who play just 1 position. That's why players like Draymond and Horford (and Scottie should be here for us) are extremely valuable.

Jak also has the issue of not having the coveted 3pt shooting skill to play in a variety of lineups, further limiting his market. The Magic could definitely use a consolidation trade to improve the position, but they still lack shooting and adding Jak wouldn't help them there.

He still has plenty of value in that limited market, and KD would be here now if we were willing to trade all of RJ/Jak/9 for him. I would not have traded 9 for him, but the rest was a no-brainer. As analysts would agree with.

https://bsky.app/profile/johnhollinger.bsky.social/post/3lsxhmnhj722v

That Hollinger post isn’t a compliment of Poeltl. Hollinger is saying that it’s crazy that Poeltl could be a hang up in a KD trade because he isn’t that valuable. Poeltl is still valuable but he shouldn’t be some untouchable piece like Hollinger is implying. You can find another Poeltl by trading another 1st.

As per the Lakers: all reports are that Luka wants an athletic lob threat pnr big who is a good rim protector. No one really wants to hear it but Poeltl has been average as a rim protector in his time here. He’s been a -6% DFGA player at the rim as a Raptor. “Good” rim protectors are in the -10% range (which Poeltl was as a Spurs). The really good rim protectors are -13% or better. Poeltl has not been a top 15 rim protector during his time here. Poeltl is still a good overall defender (he can hang better than you’d think on switches, can rebound and has good defensive IQ) but his rim protection has fallen off.

[Tor_Raps]

4/93 is the correct way to look at Poeltl's deal.

Poeltl wouldn't be playing for the Raptors if you are taking the 5M into account for the 5th year. Otherwise the deal becomes 5/123 if he does.

[sidsid]

Also why wouldn't Poeltl be a great fit with Luka? He's not a lob threat but he's still an excellent role man and one of the most efficienct finishers in the paint. The Fred and Poeltl pick and roll was by far our best offensive options in the little time they had together

The pnr died immediately in the playoffs (play-in game against the Bulls, but whatever), due to a combination of Fred and Jak's limitations. The bigger issue for the Lakers was they initially wanted someone younger to grow with Luka.

The C market is going to be limited just by the nature of the position. Teams don't want to invest a ton of money into a lot of players who play just 1 position. That's why players like Draymond and Horford (and Scottie should be here for us) are extremely valuable.

Jak also has the issue of not having the coveted 3pt shooting skill to play in a variety of lineups, further limiting his market. The Magic could definitely use a consolidation trade to improve the position, but they still lack shooting and adding Jak wouldn't help them there.

He still has plenty of value in that limited market, and KD would be here now if we were willing to trade all of RJ/Jak/9 for him. I would not have traded 9 for him, but the rest was a no-brainer. As analysts would agree with.

https://bsky.app/profile/johnhollinger.bsky.social/post/3lsxhmnhj722v

That Hollinger post isn’t a compliment of Poeltl. Hollinger is saying that it’s crazy that Poeltl could be a hang up in a KD trade because he isn’t that valuable. Poeltl is still valuable but he shouldn’t be some untouchable piece like Hollinger is implying. You can find another Poeltl by trading another 1st.

As per the Lakers: all reports are that Luka wants an athletic lob threat pnr big who is a good rim protector. No one really wants to hear it but Poeltl has been average as a rim protector in his time here. He’s been a -6% DFGA player at the rim as a Raptor. “Good” rim protectors are in the -10% range (which Poeltl was as a Spurs). The really good rim protectors are -13% or better. Poeltl has not been a top 15 rim protector during his time here. Poeltl is still a good overall defender (he can hang better than you’d think on switches, can rebound and has good defensive IQ) but his rim protection has fallen off.

Yes that's Hollinger and also my assessment of Jak in that trade and my post. The Suns very much valued any high quality C to play with their assortment of defense averse guards. And he should be traded now for any number of value propositions; hopefully ones that include picks.

[ConSarnit]

Surprised he wasn't highly sought after by the big teams. Great deal for us.

Like who? The Lakers? They don’t have the cap space nor is Poeltl the type of C you’d ideally want with Luka.

If you look around the league there are maybe 7 teams who would view Poeltl as a clear upgrade. Everyone else already has a C who is better or who they likely think is Poeltl-adjacent.

You're grossly underrating Purtle

I’m not saying 22 other teams have a better C than Poeltl. I’m saying 22 other teams have either a:

-better C than Poeltl
-an equivalent C to Poeltl
-a C they feel is close to Poeltl and wouldn’t pay much to upgrade to Poeltl

The gap between the 16th C in the league and the 23rd best C isn’t that big. The big teams already have C better than or equal to Poeltl and that’s why his market isn’t strong. The Celtics and Pacers are taking a gap year. Almost every other top 10 team has a better C than Poeltl. LAL is the exception but they just got Ayton for free and on a cheap deal. He’s worse than Poeltl but Poeltl would have cost real assets to acquire (which the Lakers lack) and that’s not worth it for the Lakers who are by all accounts going big game hunting next off-season.

[ConSarnit]

The pnr died immediately in the playoffs (play-in game against the Bulls, but whatever), due to a combination of Fred and Jak's limitations. The bigger issue for the Lakers was they initially wanted someone younger to grow with Luka.

The C market is going to be limited just by the nature of the position. Teams don't want to invest a ton of money into a lot of players who play just 1 position. That's why players like Draymond and Horford (and Scottie should be here for us) are extremely valuable.

Jak also has the issue of not having the coveted 3pt shooting skill to play in a variety of lineups, further limiting his market. The Magic could definitely use a consolidation trade to improve the position, but they still lack shooting and adding Jak wouldn't help them there.

He still has plenty of value in that limited market, and KD would be here now if we were willing to trade all of RJ/Jak/9 for him. I would not have traded 9 for him, but the rest was a no-brainer. As analysts would agree with.

https://bsky.app/profile/johnhollinger.bsky.social/post/3lsxhmnhj722v

That Hollinger post isn’t a compliment of Poeltl. Hollinger is saying that it’s crazy that Poeltl could be a hang up in a KD trade because he isn’t that valuable. Poeltl is still valuable but he shouldn’t be some untouchable piece like Hollinger is implying. You can find another Poeltl by trading another 1st.

As per the Lakers: all reports are that Luka wants an athletic lob threat pnr big who is a good rim protector. No one really wants to hear it but Poeltl has been average as a rim protector in his time here. He’s been a -6% DFGA player at the rim as a Raptor. “Good” rim protectors are in the -10% range (which Poeltl was as a Spurs). The really good rim protectors are -13% or better. Poeltl has not been a top 15 rim protector during his time here. Poeltl is still a good overall defender (he can hang better than you’d think on switches, can rebound and has good defensive IQ) but his rim protection has fallen off.

Yes that's Hollinger and also my assessment of Jak in that trade and my post. The Suns very much valued any high quality C to play with their assortment of defense averse guards. And he should be traded now for any number of value propositions; hopefully ones that include picks.

How many Poeltl suitors are out there? BOS and IND might need a C next season. Maybe CHI. Sixers? No. Pels? Unlikely given what they gave up for Queen. Jazz? No. Nets? No.

Not a lot of suitors where Poeltl is a clear cut upgrade on what they have. BOS, IND, CHI, WAS, CHA. That seems to be the list.

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[SpezNc]

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Based on https://www.salaryswish.com/players/jakob-poeltl

CONTRACT NOTE: For the 2029–30 season, the player is guaranteed $5 million. Starting in the 2026–27 season, that amount can go up:
By $5 million each season the player plays at least 1,400 minutes.
Plus another $2,433,333 each season the player plays at least 1,400 minutes and the team makes the playoffs.

[YogurtProducer]

4/93 is the correct way to look at Poeltl's deal.

Poeltl wouldn't be playing for the Raptors if you are taking the 5M into account for the 5th year. Otherwise the deal becomes 5/123 if he does.

Definitely a weird contract to grasp due to the extension not kicking in for 3 years.

But on a % of the cap basis, the last year of his deal should be a lower % of the cap than what he makes right now. Not really a "raise" % wise just a continuation of what he makes.

Pretty much if you thought $19.5 was fair on his last deal than you should like the extension to,

[Shakril]

4/93 is the correct way to look at Poeltl's deal.

Poeltl wouldn't be playing for the Raptors if you are taking the 5M into account for the 5th year. Otherwise the deal becomes 5/123 if he does.

Definitely a weird contract to grasp due to the extension not kicking in for 3 years.

But on a % of the cap basis, the last year of his deal should be a lower % of the cap than what he makes right now. Not really a "raise" % wise just a continuation of what he makes.

Pretty much if you thought $19.5 was fair on his last deal than you should like the extension to,

Yep. It is a very cheap contract, the number of 104$ is misleading. In reality, he has a 3 years extension that gives him 59 $ guaranteed + 25 $ not guaranteed (everything in millions). The next two years are 39 $ from his old contract he is on right now. Essentially he gets paid ~ 20 $ per year for the next 5 years. Only when he meets expectations he gets 25 $ on top of it. I see it as a bonus 5 $ each year if he plays well.

[Shakril]

That Hollinger post isn’t a compliment of Poeltl. Hollinger is saying that it’s crazy that Poeltl could be a hang up in a KD trade because he isn’t that valuable. Poeltl is still valuable but he shouldn’t be some untouchable piece like Hollinger is implying. You can find another Poeltl by trading another 1st.

As per the Lakers: all reports are that Luka wants an athletic lob threat pnr big who is a good rim protector. No one really wants to hear it but Poeltl has been average as a rim protector in his time here. He’s been a -6% DFGA player at the rim as a Raptor. “Good” rim protectors are in the -10% range (which Poeltl was as a Spurs). The really good rim protectors are -13% or better. Poeltl has not been a top 15 rim protector during his time here. Poeltl is still a good overall defender (he can hang better than you’d think on switches, can rebound and has good defensive IQ) but his rim protection has fallen off.

Yes that's Hollinger and also my assessment of Jak in that trade and my post. The Suns very much valued any high quality C to play with their assortment of defense averse guards. And he should be traded now for any number of value propositions; hopefully ones that include picks.

How many Poeltl suitors are out there? BOS and IND might need a C next season. Maybe CHI. Sixers? No. Pels? Unlikely given what they gave up for Queen. Jazz? No. Nets? No.

Not a lot of suitors where Poeltl is a clear cut upgrade on what they have. BOS, IND, CHI, WAS, CHA. That seems to be the list.

Because you are still undervalueing Poeltl, which at this point is not understandable anymore. He has proven time and time again his value and he has his suitors. And right now, Poeltl's value as a trade asset is higher than KD who is 37 at the end of his career. (i am NOT saying Poeltl is the better player). And what would you do in Toronto with KD, but without IQ + Poeltl? We would need a center and you may not know it, top 15 Cs arent exactly easily available these days. Miles Turner was the only one available right now that is comparable in value. Everybody else was worse.

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CONTRACT NOTE: For the 2029–30 season, the player is guaranteed $5 million. Starting in the 2026–27 season, that amount can go up:
By $5 million each season the player plays at least 1,400 minutes.
Plus another $2,433,333 each season the player plays at least 1,400 minutes and the team makes the playoffs.

Its already pointed out

[OakleyDokely]

25/26: 19.5M
26/27: 19.5M
27.28: 27.3M
28/29: 29.4M
29/30: 27.3M (5M guaranteed)

If the 5th year is played: 5/123.0 (24.6 avg)
If the 5th year isn't played: 4/95.7 (23.9 avg) + 5M in 29/30

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CONTRACT NOTE: For the 2029–30 season, the player is guaranteed $5 million. Starting in the 2026–27 season, that amount can go up:
By $5 million each season the player plays at least 1,400 minutes.
Plus another $2,433,333 each season the player plays at least 1,400 minutes and the team makes the playoffs.

Its already pointed out

Maybe I missed it but I didn’t see it when I look at the current and previous page of this thread.

The original tweet by Blake Murphy didn’t specify the full modality contrary to salary swish .

But if someone already post it before, my bad.

[WuTang_CMB]

Based on https://www.salaryswish.com/players/jakob-poeltl

CONTRACT NOTE: For the 2029–30 season, the player is guaranteed $5 million. Starting in the 2026–27 season, that amount can go up:
By $5 million each season the player plays at least 1,400 minutes.
Plus another $2,433,333 each season the player plays at least 1,400 minutes and the team makes the playoffs.

Its already pointed out

Maybe I missed it but I didn’t see it when I look at the current and previous page of this thread.

The original tweet by Blake Murphy didn’t specify the full modality contrary to salary swish .

But if someone already post it before, my bad.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/20214/jakob-poeltl

[dhackett1565]

Yeah so those guarantee numbers work out so that if we make the playoffs every year of the extension (including his PO year) and he plays 1400 minutes each year (a pretty low bar), leading up to that final year, his final year is fully guaranteed. And every year we miss the playoffs that guarantee drops by a few million. And every year he doesn't hit 1400 minutes it drops by 5M (and he loses the playoff portion of the guarantee whether we make it or not).

1400 minutes is like 50 games of 28 minutes a game, pretty low bar.

Basically just protection against him falling off really fast, and a little protection against us not having any success while he's here. Have to imagine everyone is hoping that final year is fully guaranteed by the time we get there.

[brownbobcat]

25/26: 19.5M
26/27: 19.5M
27.28: 27.3M
28/29: 29.4M
29/30: 27.3M (5M guaranteed)

If the 5th year is played: 5/123.0 (24.6 avg)
If the 5th year isn't played: 4/95.7 (23.9 avg) + 5M in 29/30

I think a reasonable estimate based on the low bar of 1400 mins would be more like:

25/26: 19.5M (12.6%)
26/27: 19.5M (11.8%)
27.28: 27.3M (15.8%)
28/29: 29.4M (16.2%)
29/30: 20M likely guarantee (10.5%)

Not great, not bad, but I do like tying playoff incentives to contract value.

[SpezNc]

25/26: 19.5M
26/27: 19.5M
27.28: 27.3M
28/29: 29.4M
29/30: 27.3M (5M guaranteed)

If the 5th year is played: 5/123.0 (24.6 avg)
If the 5th year isn't played: 4/95.7 (23.9 avg) + 5M in 29/30

I think a reasonable estimate based on the low bar of 1400 mins would be more like:

25/26: 19.5M (12.6%)
26/27: 19.5M (11.8%)
27.28: 27.3M (15.8%)
28/29: 29.4M (16.2%)
29/30: 20M likely guarantee (10.5%)

Not great, not bad, but I do like tying playoff incentives to contract value.

If Poeltl is not waive his salary will be 27,3M in 2029-30

The guaranteed/ Un guaranteed amount is only relevant if Poeltl is waived .

Unless the worse case scenario happens it’s likely that Poeltl going to earn the full 27,3M in 2029-30

[brownbobcat]

25/26: 19.5M
26/27: 19.5M
27.28: 27.3M
28/29: 29.4M
29/30: 27.3M (5M guaranteed)

If the 5th year is played: 5/123.0 (24.6 avg)
If the 5th year isn't played: 4/95.7 (23.9 avg) + 5M in 29/30

I think a reasonable estimate based on the low bar of 1400 mins would be more like:

25/26: 19.5M (12.6%)
26/27: 19.5M (11.8%)
27.28: 27.3M (15.8%)
28/29: 29.4M (16.2%)
29/30: 20M likely guarantee (10.5%)

Not great, not bad, but I do like tying playoff incentives to contract value.

If Poeltl is not waive his salary will be 27,3M in 2029-30

The guaranteed/ Un guaranteed amount is only relevant if Poeltl is waived .

Unless the worse case scenario happens it’s likely that Poeltl going to earn the full 27,3M in 2029-30

No, that's not true based on the latest info. It's not a team option, the guarantee amounts are completely dependent upon performance.

*EDIT* Maybe I see what you're saying. Actually, it's not clear whether they could waive him or not.

[dhackett1565]

I think a reasonable estimate based on the low bar of 1400 mins would be more like:

25/26: 19.5M (12.6%)
26/27: 19.5M (11.8%)
27.28: 27.3M (15.8%)
28/29: 29.4M (16.2%)
29/30: 20M likely guarantee (10.5%)

Not great, not bad, but I do like tying playoff incentives to contract value.

If Poeltl is not waive his salary will be 27,3M in 2029-30

The guaranteed/ Un guaranteed amount is only relevant if Poeltl is waived .

Unless the worse case scenario happens it’s likely that Poeltl going to earn the full 27,3M in 2029-30

No, that's not true based on the latest info. It's not a team option, the guarantee amounts are completely dependent upon performance.

*EDIT* Maybe I see what you're saying. Actually, it's not clear whether they could waive him or not.

Guarantee amounts aren't what you get paid if you play, it's what you get paid if you get waived/cut. These aren't incentives that can change a player's salary.

Jak will make 27.3M in 2029-30 if he's on the roster.

If we waive him, at least 5M will be dead salary on our cap. If he hits these goals, then somewhere between that 5M and the full amount would be dead cap if we waived him (depending on how many goals he hits).

[ConSarnit]

Yes that's Hollinger and also my assessment of Jak in that trade and my post. The Suns very much valued any high quality C to play with their assortment of defense averse guards. And he should be traded now for any number of value propositions; hopefully ones that include picks.

How many Poeltl suitors are out there? BOS and IND might need a C next season. Maybe CHI. Sixers? No. Pels? Unlikely given what they gave up for Queen. Jazz? No. Nets? No.

Not a lot of suitors where Poeltl is a clear cut upgrade on what they have. BOS, IND, CHI, WAS, CHA. That seems to be the list.

Because you are still undervalueing Poeltl, which at this point is not understandable anymore. He has proven time and time again his value and he has his suitors. And right now, Poeltl's value as a trade asset is higher than KD who is 37 at the end of his career. (i am NOT saying Poeltl is the better player). And what would you do in Toronto with KD, but without IQ + Poeltl? We would need a center and you may not know it, top 15 Cs arent exactly easily available these days. Miles Turner was the only one available right now that is comparable in value. Everybody else was worse.

Really? Really? This is what you extrapolated from us not wanting to include him in a KD trade? That Poeltl has MORE value than KD?

Any time I think your Poeltl homerism can’t reach new levels you pull out a new trick. It’s remarkable really.