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With the 9th Pick, the Raptors select Collin Murray-Boyles!

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Re: With the 9th Pick, the Raptors select Collin Murray-Boyles! 

Post#1741 » by WuTang_OG » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:31 am

Raps love heart and soul kyle Lowrish type players. CMB has that. I really want to see him play but he looks so far on video as closest thing to draymond defensively. Those guys are all over the court and are smart.
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Post#1742 » by Yallbecrazy » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:37 am

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Rapsfan07 wrote:I don't know man. I really don't know about this guy.

If he doesn't improve that jumper, then what? Is he even playable for 20mins a night? He has the same strengths and weaknesses as Barnes so how are they going to play together?

I want to like the pick. I want to believe there's something about him that I don't know or that I'm not seeing but I don't know... this seems like a huge unnecessary risk type pick.


What you're missing is likely the incredible BB IQ which differentiates him from the Mogbos of the world



Mogbo has a good bbiq as well
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Re: With the 9th Pick, the Raptors select Collin Murray-Boyles! 

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Post#1744 » by raincityraptors » Wed Jul 9, 2025 4:42 am

When I was a kid, Charles Barkley made me fall in love with bully ball and I got hooked onto the NBA.

That is my favorite part of RJ's game. The way his legs move like he's on a treadmill as he plows through guys to get to the basket is hilarious.

CMB is also great at playing bully ball and applying pressure to the rim as a lefty.

I'm not sure if there is space on this team for both of these guys once CMB develops.

That breaks my heart because RJ is my favorite player but CMB is a bigger lefty who can apply the same rim pressure and play better defense.

I see no issue for them being on the same team this coming season (CMB is still a few years away from RJ level impact) but they are going to want to occupy the same spaces. They need to play in different line ups.

The floor for CMB is a bench 4 on offense who is a 5 on defense - driving by bigs and posts up smaller players. He plays defense and creates mismatches on day 1.

He is going to make life easier for other players with his screens, passes and feel on both sides of the ball.

The ceiling here is an All NBA player who makes All Defense teams, starts for the Raptors and draws the toughest wing/forward assignment.

This pick shows me that the front office walks their talk when it comes to drafting best player available in the first round.

He may not be the best fit for the team but he was indisputably the best talent available when we picked. Time will show if that holds up but CMB is a top 7 or 8 talent in this draft.

In the second round, I think they look for future role players and did well to grab a point of attack defender that can hit open looks (since we have a wing led offence a lot of the time). 3&D players make good money in the NBA and Martin has the potential to outperform whatever we end up paying him. This team needs some players outperforming their contract.

We've had such a great run of interesting rookies lately, I'm looking forward to seeing what Darko does with this crew.
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Post#1745 » by Son Goku 25 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 6:21 am

If you think about it our team is slowly starting to get high IQ guys. Even weak link RJ has improved and is picking his spots a bit but ya he's on TB.

I'm liking this team, starting to get a bit more excited but still need to see more. Now we got more players to see grow organically.
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Re: With the 9th Pick, the Raptors select Collin Murray-Boyles! 

Post#1746 » by Nature » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:33 am

Spurs era Boris Diaw with great defense? Is that a good comp?
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Post#1747 » by Yallbecrazy » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:54 am

Son Goku 25 wrote:If you think about it our team is slowly starting to get high IQ guys. Even weak link RJ has improved and is picking his spots a bit but ya he's on TB.

I'm liking this team, starting to get a bit more excited but still need to see more. Now we got more players to see grow organically.


Ochai isn't high IQ and I'm really unsure on Walter.
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Post#1748 » by WuTang_OG » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:44 pm

South Carolina scored THIRTEEN more points at the rim when he was on than off, and allowed SEVEN fewer points at the rim in the same scenarios. That offensive figure is more than double the second most among his 2025 comps, and defensive figure third to stalwarts Thomas Sorber and Amari Williams.
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Post#1749 » by JCP11 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:28 pm

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South Carolina scored THIRTEEN more points at the rim when he was on than off, and allowed SEVEN fewer points at the rim in the same scenarios. That offensive figure is more than double the second most among his 2025 comps, and defensive figure third to stalwarts Thomas Sorber and Amari Williams.

People want to compare him to Mogbo and Scottie but he's actually more polished and physically mature than both coming out. He's already a darn good player. All that is missing is a respectable 3pt shot and this dude is a star.
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Post#1750 » by MessiahUjiri » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:36 pm

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South Carolina scored THIRTEEN more points at the rim when he was on than off, and allowed SEVEN fewer points at the rim in the same scenarios. That offensive figure is more than double the second most among his 2025 comps, and defensive figure third to stalwarts Thomas Sorber and Amari Williams.

People want to compare him to Mogbo and Scottie but he's actually more polished and physically mature than both coming out. He's already a darn good player. All that is missing is a respectable 3pt shot and to this dude is a star.



This might sound crazy, but there’s if you squint, you can imagine him turning out like a PF version of Kawhi.

His ability to steal the ball directly out of his opponents hands is extremely-Kawhi like. He can see the floor with cross court passes. He actually shot the ball better than Kawhi in college.

Kawhi underwent a crazy improvement in year 3, partly due to a good environment in SanAntonio. It’s not far fetched to think that we have a great development environment too. Guys like Scottie/Shead/Temple/Alijah are going to keep the locker room tempo very competitive.

It’s a high end outcome, sure, but you can see the POTENTIAL for a PF-Kawhi/Millsap hybrid.
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Re: With the 9th Pick, the Raptors select Collin Murray-Boyles! 

Post#1751 » by Nature » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:22 pm



- 6'8" power forward/center
- Great feel for the game
- Most of his work is done in the paint but often attacked from the outside
- Only averaged 1.4 3pt attempts per game over his 14 year career
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Post#1752 » by tsherkin » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:35 pm

Nature wrote:

- 6'8" power forward/center
- Great feel for the game
- Most of his work is done in the paint but often attacked from the outside
- Only averaged 1.4 3pt attempts per game over his 14 year career


Different era, so that 3pt shooting volume is fairly irrelevant. He retired before Golden State's second title, and was a 27 mpg guy on his career, 22.5 with the Spurs. He barely played center outside of the 06 season after Kurt Thomas went down, so calling him a "center" is a tiny bit misleading.

Diaw was good. Had the talent to be much better, too, which makes his career a little sad. Definitely would have thrived more today.

Wouldn't be bad at all if CMB matched his level of play/production, though, for sure.
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Post#1753 » by JCP11 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:55 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:

People want to compare him to Mogbo and Scottie but he's actually more polished and physically mature than both coming out. He's already a darn good player. All that is missing is a respectable 3pt shot and to this dude is a star.



This might sound crazy, but there’s if you squint, you can imagine him turning out like a PF version of Kawhi.

His ability to steal the ball directly out of his opponents hands is extremely-Kawhi like. He can see the floor with cross court passes. He actually shot the ball better than Kawhi in college.

Kawhi underwent a crazy improvement in year 3, partly due to a good environment in SanAntonio. It’s not far fetched to think that we have a great development environment too. Guys like Scottie/Shead/Temple/Alijah are going to keep the locker room tempo very competitive.

It’s a high end outcome, sure, but you can see the POTENTIAL for a PF-Kawhi/Millsap hybrid.
I like the Millsap comp a lot, CMB is actually more powerful than him. Like Millsap I can see CMB developing a 3 and becoming a real good player.
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Post#1754 » by tsherkin » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:02 pm

JCP11 wrote: I like the Millsap comp a lot, CMB is actually more powerful than him. Like Millsap I can see CMB developing a 3 and becoming a real good player.


Don't know that I'd call him more powerful, but the comparison is great, for sure.
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Post#1755 » by Son Goku 25 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:31 pm

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JCP11 wrote: I like the Millsap comp a lot, CMB is actually more powerful than him. Like Millsap I can see CMB developing a 3 and becoming a real good player.


Don't know that I'd call him more powerful, but the comparison is great, for sure.


I remember Diaw put on some mass later he was pretty skinny when he first started. Looks like CMB already has a stronger base and build.
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Post#1756 » by tsherkin » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:50 pm

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JCP11 wrote: I like the Millsap comp a lot, CMB is actually more powerful than him. Like Millsap I can see CMB developing a 3 and becoming a real good player.


Don't know that I'd call him more powerful, but the comparison is great, for sure.


I remember Diaw put on some mass later he was pretty skinny when he first started. Looks like CMB already has a stronger base and build.


Oh, I read that wrong. I thought you meant more powerful than Millsap, heh.
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Post#1757 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 4:18 pm

A defensive better BBIQ Julius Randle would be my target ceiling for CMB which would be a crazy player. Julius is a tiny bit bigger & more explosive but no where near the passer/defensive prospect
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Post#1759 » by StopitLeo » Wed Jul 9, 2025 7:39 pm

CMB's game is a bit old school so I've gone back a few decades looking for a player comparison.

___As a player you look at [his] size and court demeanor and think he’s a blue-collar banger and he is, but he’s also very nimble, can outrun people, and has superior ball-handling skills. He’s deft, almost cute. There’s a bundle of contradictions about him. He’s versatile, unique in that way.


That's a quote from Pat Riley talking about Anthony Mason, who was 6'8" and 250 lbs (also happened to be a lefty).

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Post#1760 » by tsherkin » Wed Jul 9, 2025 7:50 pm

StopitLeo wrote:CMB's game is a bit old school so I've gone back a few decades looking for a player comparison.

___As a player you look at [his] size and court demeanor and think he’s a blue-collar banger and he is, but he’s also very nimble, can outrun people, and has superior ball-handling skills. He’s deft, almost cute. There’s a bundle of contradictions about him. He’s versatile, unique in that way.


That's a quote from Pat Riley talking about Anthony Mason, who was 6'8" and 250 lbs (also happened to be a lefty).

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Pre-96 Mase is an interesting thought, for sure.

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