NBA Trade Thread #13

[jnrjr79]

We will have to likely add 6-8 players next summer. I don't think bringing back 2-3 bench players would be considered using all their cap space to re-sign existing players, lmao! Bit of an exaggeration. Does it make more sense to sign an unfamiliar player at the same level for the same amount of money, rather than bringing Ayo back? Why? We have to fill out our bench with players.

Not to mention, regardless of the Bulls intentions, NOBODY knows what's happening with Coby's contract summer 2026. He's an unrestricted free agent whether we bring Ayo back or not.

I don't get this. They are both UFAs. Nobody knows what's happening with either.

The Bulls figure to have a lot of space next year (subject to whatever deals they may or not make this year). But free agency is no longer really the way to go get big players. I don't know if the Bulls will go big game hunting, but obviously signing both Coby and Ayo would really limit their flexibility to do so.

IMO, given that free agency is dicey these days, it's more likely that the Bulls try to package expirings for someone significant at the deadline this year and then whoever that acquisition is impedes their ability to sign Coby and Ayo. But if the Bulls can't swing that (and I"m pessimistic), I have no real opinion on what they'll do.

Exactly the point. Free agency is the worst way to add players usually. We currently have no big contracts. Giddey probably signs sub-$$30 mill and Williams at $18 mill is all we really have on the books. They could easily re-sign Coby, Ayo, and add a big name player. Assuming we're not maxing Coby. What are you thinking Coby's salary is going to be? Is Coby's salary likely to be MUCH more than Ayo's? I think so.

Hard to speculate on what Ayo is going to get. Ayo from last year might not get Tre Jone's contract. Find out if we can re-sign or extend guys that fit like Huerter, Ayo, keep Phillips, at value prices. They remain value pieces and trade bait we retain at better than free agency prices.

I'm a firm believer in trade pieces over cap space when you're big game hunting. Seems backwards to trade Ayo to pay Coby, when Coby's far more likely to overpaid. People crapping on getting Anfernee Simons for damn near free (Vucevic!!!!), Coby's basically the same guy.

My 10,000 foot view is the Bulls are probably lining up all this 2026 cap space to try to do something other than bring back Coby and Ayo. And they may chew into some of that space this year to the extent they make deadline moves. They should be operating from a place where they understand that if they have better moves to make, they may need to let one or both of Ayo and Coby walk if they have an opportunity to acquire more meaningful players. And it would be better to get some draft capital or whatever for them now if that end sup being the case.

I agree Coby is going to be paid a lot more than Ayo. That's why I'd rather move him. Ayo fits with Giddey better and the Bulls need perimeter defenders. Coby can really fill it up, but doesn't do much else.

[sco]

We will have to likely add 6-8 players next summer. I don't think bringing back 2-3 bench players would be considered using all their cap space to re-sign existing players, lmao! Bit of an exaggeration. Does it make more sense to sign an unfamiliar player at the same level for the same amount of money, rather than bringing Ayo back? Why? We have to fill out our bench with players.

Not to mention, regardless of the Bulls intentions, NOBODY knows what's happening with Coby's contract summer 2026. He's an unrestricted free agent whether we bring Ayo back or not.

I don't get this. They are both UFAs. Nobody knows what's happening with either.

The Bulls figure to have a lot of space next year (subject to whatever deals they may or not make this year). But free agency is no longer really the way to go get big players. I don't know if the Bulls will go big game hunting, but obviously signing both Coby and Ayo would really limit their flexibility to do so.

IMO, given that free agency is dicey these days, it's more likely that the Bulls try to package expirings for someone significant at the deadline this year and then whoever that acquisition is impedes their ability to sign Coby and Ayo. But if the Bulls can't swing that (and I"m pessimistic), I have no real opinion on what they'll do.

Exactly the point. Free agency is the worst way to add players usually. We currently have no big contracts. Giddey probably signs sub-$$30 mill and Williams at $18 mill is all we really have on the books. They could easily re-sign Coby, Ayo, and add a big name player. Assuming we're not maxing Coby. What are you thinking Coby's salary is going to be? Is Coby's salary likely to be MUCH more than Ayo's? I think so.

Hard to speculate on what Ayo is going to get. Ayo from last year might get Tre Jone's contract. Find out if we can re-sign or extend guys that fit like Huerter, Ayo, keep Phillips, at value prices. They remain value pieces and trade bait we retain at better than free agency prices.

I'm a firm believer in trade pieces over cap space when you're big game hunting. Seems backwards to trade Ayo to pay Coby, when Coby's far more likely to overpaid. People crapping on getting Anfernee Simons for damn near free (Vucevic!!!!), Coby's basically the same guy.

Agree with the package expirings to get a big player at the deadline possibility. Coby's the most valuable expiring player by a lot. Who else could be the centerpiece of a trade for a big name player?

I still think the whole 25ppg scorer perspective is a bit simplistic. There are shots to be taken and someone has to take them. In almost every team situation, there will be 1 or 2 guys who are designated scorers, one or both of them have a decent shot of averaging 20-25ppg. On teams with 3 or 4 good scorers, you have more shot diversity which may lead to a better team but nobody scoring 25ppg.

Regarding our expirings, looking forward, we will likely have Coby, Matas, Giddey, Noa, Pat...if everyone expires, we should still have enough space under the tax to add a MAX contract either via FA or via S&T of our expiring guys. If Coby walks, we might be able to maneuver 2 or nearly 2 max spots (and fill out roster with vet min's and rookie deals).

[Infinity2152]

I don't get this. They are both UFAs. Nobody knows what's happening with either.

The Bulls figure to have a lot of space next year (subject to whatever deals they may or not make this year). But free agency is no longer really the way to go get big players. I don't know if the Bulls will go big game hunting, but obviously signing both Coby and Ayo would really limit their flexibility to do so.

IMO, given that free agency is dicey these days, it's more likely that the Bulls try to package expirings for someone significant at the deadline this year and then whoever that acquisition is impedes their ability to sign Coby and Ayo. But if the Bulls can't swing that (and I"m pessimistic), I have no real opinion on what they'll do.

Exactly the point. Free agency is the worst way to add players usually. We currently have no big contracts. Giddey probably signs sub-$$30 mill and Williams at $18 mill is all we really have on the books. They could easily re-sign Coby, Ayo, and add a big name player. Assuming we're not maxing Coby. What are you thinking Coby's salary is going to be? Is Coby's salary likely to be MUCH more than Ayo's? I think so.

Hard to speculate on what Ayo is going to get. Ayo from last year might not get Tre Jone's contract. Find out if we can re-sign or extend guys that fit like Huerter, Ayo, keep Phillips, at value prices. They remain value pieces and trade bait we retain at better than free agency prices.

I'm a firm believer in trade pieces over cap space when you're big game hunting. Seems backwards to trade Ayo to pay Coby, when Coby's far more likely to overpaid. People crapping on getting Anfernee Simons for damn near free (Vucevic!!!!), Coby's basically the same guy.

My 10,000 foot view is the Bulls are probably lining up all this 2026 cap space to try to do something other than bring back Coby and Ayo. And they may chew into some of that space this year to the extent they make deadline moves. They should be operating from a place where they understand that if they have better moves to make, they may need to let one or both of Ayo and Coby walk if they have an opportunity to acquire more meaningful players. And it would be better to get some draft capital or whatever for them now if that end sup being the case.

I agree Coby is going to be paid a lot more than Ayo. That's why I'd rather move him. Ayo fits with Giddey better and the Bulls need perimeter defenders. Coby can really fill it up, but doesn't do much else.

Pretty much on the same page. Not all in on Ayo, of course. But I do think he's a keeper at a fair price, and likely to be undervalued after a bad last season when he was reportedly playing injured. Any trade for Ayo now is likely a lateral or small gain I probably wouldn't do. A team offers an unprotected first, send him out. Like Pat Williams, we'd be selling at the bottom of his value.

To be fair, I'm an UIUC grad and am biased towards keeping Ayo. Have watched Ayo since college, like the kid. But I try to put the team first. I like two way guards.

[jnrjr79]

I don't get this. They are both UFAs. Nobody knows what's happening with either.

The Bulls figure to have a lot of space next year (subject to whatever deals they may or not make this year). But free agency is no longer really the way to go get big players. I don't know if the Bulls will go big game hunting, but obviously signing both Coby and Ayo would really limit their flexibility to do so.

IMO, given that free agency is dicey these days, it's more likely that the Bulls try to package expirings for someone significant at the deadline this year and then whoever that acquisition is impedes their ability to sign Coby and Ayo. But if the Bulls can't swing that (and I"m pessimistic), I have no real opinion on what they'll do.

Exactly the point. Free agency is the worst way to add players usually. We currently have no big contracts. Giddey probably signs sub-$$30 mill and Williams at $18 mill is all we really have on the books. They could easily re-sign Coby, Ayo, and add a big name player. Assuming we're not maxing Coby. What are you thinking Coby's salary is going to be? Is Coby's salary likely to be MUCH more than Ayo's? I think so.

Hard to speculate on what Ayo is going to get. Ayo from last year might get Tre Jone's contract. Find out if we can re-sign or extend guys that fit like Huerter, Ayo, keep Phillips, at value prices. They remain value pieces and trade bait we retain at better than free agency prices.

I'm a firm believer in trade pieces over cap space when you're big game hunting. Seems backwards to trade Ayo to pay Coby, when Coby's far more likely to overpaid. People crapping on getting Anfernee Simons for damn near free (Vucevic!!!!), Coby's basically the same guy.

Agree with the package expirings to get a big player at the deadline possibility. Coby's the most valuable expiring player by a lot. Who else could be the centerpiece of a trade for a big name player?

I still think the whole 25ppg scorer perspective is a bit simplistic. There are shots to be taken and someone has to take them. In almost every team situation, there will be 1 or 2 guys who are designated scorers, one or both of them have a decent shot of averaging 20-25ppg. On teams with 3 or 4 good scorers, you have more shot diversity which may lead to a better team but nobody scoring 25ppg.

Regarding our expirings, looking forward, we will likely have Coby, Matas, Giddey, Noa, Pat...if everyone expires, we should still have enough space under the tax to add a MAX contract either via FA or via S&T of our expiring guys. If Coby walks, we might be able to maneuver 2 or nearly 2 max spots (and fill out roster with vet min's and rookie deals).

Just looking up a list of potential 2026 free agents, it appears virtually anyone you'd even consider throwing a max to has already extended. Doncic has a player option, so if he opted out, sure, that'd be incredible, but I have zero reason to think he'd have any interest in doing that (coming here, not opting out).

So really, if they want to do something interesting with that space, it seems it'll have to be via trade. If it's done next offseason, they wouldn't have to match salaries, so I guess they could be shooting for a disgruntled Giannis or Jokic or whatever, though obviously that seems fairly fantastical.

[Infinity2152]

Exactly the point. Free agency is the worst way to add players usually. We currently have no big contracts. Giddey probably signs sub-$$30 mill and Williams at $18 mill is all we really have on the books. They could easily re-sign Coby, Ayo, and add a big name player. Assuming we're not maxing Coby. What are you thinking Coby's salary is going to be? Is Coby's salary likely to be MUCH more than Ayo's? I think so.

Hard to speculate on what Ayo is going to get. Ayo from last year might get Tre Jone's contract. Find out if we can re-sign or extend guys that fit like Huerter, Ayo, keep Phillips, at value prices. They remain value pieces and trade bait we retain at better than free agency prices.

I'm a firm believer in trade pieces over cap space when you're big game hunting. Seems backwards to trade Ayo to pay Coby, when Coby's far more likely to overpaid. People crapping on getting Anfernee Simons for damn near free (Vucevic!!!!), Coby's basically the same guy.

Agree with the package expirings to get a big player at the deadline possibility. Coby's the most valuable expiring player by a lot. Who else could be the centerpiece of a trade for a big name player?

I still think the whole 25ppg scorer perspective is a bit simplistic. There are shots to be taken and someone has to take them. In almost every team situation, there will be 1 or 2 guys who are designated scorers, one or both of them have a decent shot of averaging 20-25ppg. On teams with 3 or 4 good scorers, you have more shot diversity which may lead to a better team but nobody scoring 25ppg.

Regarding our expirings, looking forward, we will likely have Coby, Matas, Giddey, Noa, Pat...if everyone expires, we should still have enough space under the tax to add a MAX contract either via FA or via S&T of our expiring guys. If Coby walks, we might be able to maneuver 2 or nearly 2 max spots (and fill out roster with vet min's and rookie deals).

Just looking up a list of potential 2026 free agents, it appears virtually anyone you'd even consider throwing a max to has already extended. Doncic has a player option, so if he opted out, sure, that'd be incredible, but I have zero reason to think he'd have any interest in doing that (coming here, not opting out).

So really, if they want to do something interesting with that space, it seems it'll have to be via trade. If it's done next offseason, they wouldn't have to match salaries, so I guess they could be shooting for a disgruntled Giannis or Jokic or whatever, though obviously that seems fairly fantastical.

Agree. Not much to target in FA except value players at the MLE or less, imo. Would probably offer Ayo, Coby, Huerter, maybe even Collins super cheap extensions to maintain the value piece for trade. None might accept, maybe one or two do. Maybe we can negotiate from super cheap to pretty damn good at least. We're going to have a lot of cap space, would prefer to use most of that on value contracts and then trade for the big one than pay the big one if no FA's are elite.

[jnrjr79]

I still think the whole 25ppg scorer perspective is a bit simplistic. There are shots to be taken and someone has to take them. In almost every team situation, there will be 1 or 2 guys who are designated scorers, one or both of them have a decent shot of averaging 20-25ppg. On teams with 3 or 4 good scorers, you have more shot diversity which may lead to a better team but nobody scoring 25ppg.

Regarding our expirings, looking forward, we will likely have Coby, Matas, Giddey, Noa, Pat...if everyone expires, we should still have enough space under the tax to add a MAX contract either via FA or via S&T of our expiring guys. If Coby walks, we might be able to maneuver 2 or nearly 2 max spots (and fill out roster with vet min's and rookie deals).

Just looking up a list of potential 2026 free agents, it appears virtually anyone you'd even consider throwing a max to has already extended. Doncic has a player option, so if he opted out, sure, that'd be incredible, but I have zero reason to think he'd have any interest in doing that (coming here, not opting out).

So really, if they want to do something interesting with that space, it seems it'll have to be via trade. If it's done next offseason, they wouldn't have to match salaries, so I guess they could be shooting for a disgruntled Giannis or Jokic or whatever, though obviously that seems fairly fantastical.

Agree. Not much to target in FA except value players at the MLE or less, imo. Would probably offer Ayo, Coby, Huerter, maybe even Collins super cheap extensions to maintain the value piece for trade. None might accept, maybe one or two do. Maybe we can negotiate from super cheap to pretty damn good at least. We're going to have a lot of cap space, would prefer to use most of that on value contracts and then trade for the big one than pay the big one if no FA's are elite.

Don't forget, as well, that if the Bulls operate as a cap space team, they'll only have the room MLE rather than the full MLE.

[Infinity2152]

Yeah, there are so many ways they can go. I applaud the flexibility. Feels like AK is being patient, letting the market show itself and that's great. Don't believe he's turned down all these fabulous rumored offers. If anybody loves star talent, it's AK and he's restocking the assets to get one. When your assets don't have a ton of value, sometimes you have to be patient to rehab their value or find a deal. All the anger he hasn't moved Vucevic yet, doesn't look all that easy if we want ANY value.

Be great if we actually knew his plan, lol! We're doing a lot of planning and guessing with little knowledge of what he's trying to do.

Draft of Noa and pairing with Matas, two 6'10 forwards who can run defend and hopefully shoot. Essengue bulk up some, he could be an athletic center with some range.

Caruso for Giddey: Get younger, play faster, high potential player, potentially valuable asset for great, but oft injured, vet

Trade Zach for Tre Jones, Huerter, Collins plus 1st: Clear 2026 cap, get young lottery prospect

Trade Ball for Okoro: Get young defensive wing for better but oft injured vet

Put Vucevic on the block, don't know if he's ACTUALLY turned down any trade offers

Looks like his focus is on getting longer, faster, more athletic. Defense definitely more of a focus than Lavine, Derozan, Vucevic additions. Re-signing Tre Jones, adding Okoro, wants some 24-28 year old players to run with Giddey and Matas, as opposed to trading for young prospects like Cam Whitmore. Ayo, Huerter, Carter and Smith fit that bill too. Don't think he's as locked in on Coby as people think, but of course they're expressing confidence in him now. He's the best piece in a star trade not named Giddey or Buzelis.

Players who could be much better than they've shown so far and could possibly break out: Terry, Phillips, Okoro, Williams, Noa, Ayo, Smith. That's a lot of potential internal improvement, even if only a few pan out.

[2weekswithpay]

Try doing it three years in a row. And once again, what do those guys get paid? There are 450+ players in the league, 50 players would put that around the top 15% of actual scorers, instead of these theoretical super efficient scorers. There are 30 teams in the league, 50 20 pt scorers is not a lot, that's less than 2 per team. Out of 15+ players.

Jalen Green has averaged 20ppg in 3 consecutive seasons, if we round up the 19.6ppg he averaged in his 3rd season. As long as you can get up the shots, scoring 20ppg isn't that hard. I'd guess they get paid more than 30M AAV, since looking at 20+ppg scorers includes a good amount of max contract players, but Simons isn't one of those guys. If you exclude all the max contract and rookie contract players, you get around 15 players who make about 29M AAV.

Compared to where the game was, 50 20ppg scorers is a lot. The number of 20+ scorers has doubled in the last decade. A lot of the 16-18ppg players like Mobley, Sexton, Randle, and Beal could average 20ppg if they played more or jacked up a few more shots. Mikal Bridges went from 17ppg on the Suns to 19.9ppg on the Nets. I'm not saying everyone can do it, but if given a reasonable opportunity, the number of players that could is closer to around 70-80.

When players like RJ Barrett can do it, I don't consider 20ppg to be a major accomplishment.

So add Jaen Green to the 25-30 that have actually done it the last three years. Still a very low number, compared to the 450 players and 60 two-ways that have the chance every year to do just that. Do you think every player in the NBA doesn't want to score at least 20 pts/gm?

Ok, so you don't consider scoring in the top 10% of NBA players multiple years in a row an accomplishment. Around $29 mill AAV would be considered a pretty valuable player, right? Are most players getting that, or are most players getting significantly less? Why are GM's paying these guys then?

Players would like to score more, but for most non-stars like Simons, scoring that much is a matter of opportunity or luck. Simons is still a solid player, but he has benefited from being on a team that was willing to give him a good amount of touches and shot attempts. When the Blazers' talent level increased, his usage went down, and his scoring dropped to 19.3ppg last season.

These are 15 players I mentioned that scored 20+ last season that weren't on max or rookie contracts.

Brunson
Harden
Kyrie
Derozan
Poole
Herro
Brandon Ingram
Norman Powell
Trey Murphy
Coby
Jalen Green
RJ Barrett
Miles Bridges
CJ McCollum
Austin Reaves

If you add the 3 straight seasons of 20ppg, then Powell, Reaves, Coby, Murphy, and Poole are removed.

Brunson
Harden
Kyrie
Derozan
Herro
Ingram
Jalen Green
RJ Barrett
Miles Bridges
CJ McCollum

Now, a group of mainly former all-stars and Brunson. If you take out all the current and former all-stars, this is what's left.

Jalen Green
RJ Barrett
Miles Bridges
CJ McCollum

These 4 are overpaid fringe starters, and this is where Simons belongs.

I don't consider scoring 20+ for consecutive seasons important because in the past, the players who accomplished this were almost all all-stars. This isn't the case anymore, and there's no reason to attach any major significance to scoring 20ppg. Yeah, Simons scores a lot, but he's still a 6th man.

[boozapalooza]

Gotta think landing a star big man to replace Vuc will be the main focus in 2026. Wonder who will be available - a few names come to mind:

Walker Kessler - 2026 RFA. Would be top preference
Domantas Sabonis -
Bam Adebayo - Could be available if MIA wants to move off his salary next year

[Infinity2152]

Jalen Green has averaged 20ppg in 3 consecutive seasons, if we round up the 19.6ppg he averaged in his 3rd season. As long as you can get up the shots, scoring 20ppg isn't that hard. I'd guess they get paid more than 30M AAV, since looking at 20+ppg scorers includes a good amount of max contract players, but Simons isn't one of those guys. If you exclude all the max contract and rookie contract players, you get around 15 players who make about 29M AAV.

Compared to where the game was, 50 20ppg scorers is a lot. The number of 20+ scorers has doubled in the last decade. A lot of the 16-18ppg players like Mobley, Sexton, Randle, and Beal could average 20ppg if they played more or jacked up a few more shots. Mikal Bridges went from 17ppg on the Suns to 19.9ppg on the Nets. I'm not saying everyone can do it, but if given a reasonable opportunity, the number of players that could is closer to around 70-80.

When players like RJ Barrett can do it, I don't consider 20ppg to be a major accomplishment.

So add Jaen Green to the 25-30 that have actually done it the last three years. Still a very low number, compared to the 450 players and 60 two-ways that have the chance every year to do just that. Do you think every player in the NBA doesn't want to score at least 20 pts/gm?

Ok, so you don't consider scoring in the top 10% of NBA players multiple years in a row an accomplishment. Around $29 mill AAV would be considered a pretty valuable player, right? Are most players getting that, or are most players getting significantly less? Why are GM's paying these guys then?

Players would like to score more, but for most non-stars like Simons, scoring that much is a matter of opportunity or luck. Simons is still a solid player, but he has benefited from being on a team that was willing to give him a good amount of touches and shot attempts. When the Blazers' talent level increased, his usage went down, and his scoring dropped to 19.3ppg last season.

These are 15 players I mentioned that scored 20+ last season that weren't on max or rookie contracts.

Brunson
Harden
Kyrie
Derozan
Poole
Herro
Brandon Ingram
Norman Powell
Trey Murphy
Coby
Jalen Green
RJ Barrett
Miles Bridges
CJ McCollum
Austin Reaves

If you add the 3 straight seasons of 20ppg, then Powell, Reaves, Coby, Murphy, and Poole are removed.

Brunson
Harden
Kyrie
Derozan
Herro
Ingram
Jalen Green
RJ Barrett
Miles Bridges
CJ McCollum

Now, a group of mainly former all-stars and Brunson. If you take out all the current and former all-stars, this is what's left.

Jalen Green
RJ Barrett
Miles Bridges
CJ McCollum

These 4 are overpaid fringe starters, and this is where Simons belongs.

I don't consider scoring 20+ for consecutive seasons important because in the past, the players who accomplished this were almost all all-stars. This isn't the case anymore, and there's no reason to attach any major significance to scoring 20ppg. Yeah, Simons scores a lot, but he's still a 6th man.

Totally agree he's a sixth man type player. I'd consider a 25 year old sixth man level talent more than fair compensation for Vucevic. I was never calling him a star, just saying he's a reasonably valuable NBA player. He would be considered well above average, I think.

Wouldn't include McCullum with over paid fringe starters. He's had a very successful career long term as a starter. I can rock with the other three, but I wouldn't call 3 other guys who fits Simons profile a dime a dozen. Jalen Green still has time to improve, he's only 23.

Appreciate you breaking down the numbers. But non-All Stars putting up those numbers for the last three years looks very rare, by your list. 5 out of over 450 is around 1%.

[Infinity2152]

Anybody else want to see Noa play some center? Reason why he can't be a better shooting Gafford if he adds some weight?

[WesPeace]

Anybody else want to see Noa play some center? Reason why he can't be a better shooting Gafford if he adds some weight?

Thats my wish when he fills up his frame.. because I dont want to move Matas from 4,as I think he is perfect PF going forward

[Muzbar]

Noa should NOT be playing center, that's crazy talk, if that's the case then the Bulls should have just drafted Beringer.

[WesPeace]

Noa should NOT be playing center, that's crazy talk, if that's the case then the Bulls should have just drafted Beringer.

They should go with more NBA ready wing, but it is what it is now.. also Beringer yes, would be better choice at this phase and as a fit for the team.

I also think its crazy talk that people expect Noa to be a 3 in the league, he is either 4 or 5 down the road, more likely 4,but.. Matas backup I would say

[Moon]

I'm ok with Simons.....not a big needle mover but It's youth v. age. Give me the younger player. The Celtics want to move off of him for financial concerns. It seems like a win-win.

Right now they are focused at squeezing Giddey....it may not turn out as they want it to. A combo of Giddey and Simons might be fun to watch. If this falls apart Coby and Simons could be interesting.

A lineup I'd like to see is Giddey, Simons, Buzelis, Smith and Lively ....a lot of 3 pt ability and a rim protector and youth

That said I believe the Bulls need a young mobile defensive center......maybe Kessler, maybe Lively, .....Z Collins or Jalen Smith really haven't inspired me. All the nonsense for catching the big fish next year,,,,kinda reminds me of Tracy McGrady throwing a pitch at a cubs game...or Lebron and company stringing out the bulls and we get....Eddie Jones.

[2weekswithpay]

Noa doesn't even have good strength compared to other wings. I'm not sure how you can project him being a big in the future when he may never have the functional strength to play the 5.

[jump]

Noa is 18 years old. He's basically a recent high school graduate. We can't even draft high school graduates anymore. So, give him time. His potential is excellent. A great piece for our long-awaited youth movement.

[Infinity2152]

Noa is 18 years old. He's basically a recent high school graduate. We can't even draft high school graduates anymore. So, give him time. His potential is excellent. A great piece for our long-awaited youth movement.

I agree. You're right, he's 18. How much did Chet Holgrem weigh when he played center last year? 195 on draft night, I believe. I asked if anybody want to see him get some minutes at center. It's not like he's 6'3, 120 lbs. The way the NBA is rolling now, physicals are not the main factors. There are 6'7 guys playing center. 6'8" guys playing point guard.

This season is not a big deal, except in terms of youth development, in my opinion. Caruso, 6'5 Torrey Craig and 6'5 Javonte Green played PF for us, lol. And Caruso and Green are not heavy, muscular guys for their height either. Not talking about him playing full time center, but I can EASILY see lineups where Noa and Matas are the two bigs if Vucevic is traded. Especially next year, since Collins is also expiring. We shouldn't even give him a chance, experiment with different lineups?

Not going to call it crazy talk if somebody disagrees, though. That's just their opinion. Warriors weren't expecting Draymond to play center all those years ago, either.

[WesPeace]

Noa doesn't even have good strength compared to other wings. I'm not sure how you can project him being a big in the future when he may never have the functional strength to play the 5.

Things can change a lot in a year, less alone two or more.. dont know whats the point of that post

[2weekswithpay]

Noa doesn't even have good strength compared to other wings. I'm not sure how you can project him being a big in the future when he may never have the functional strength to play the 5.

Things can change a lot in a year, less alone two or more.. dont know whats the point of that post

Giannis didn't start playing minutes at the 5 consistently until year 6-7, and he had one of the most ridiculous physical transformations in league history. Giannis also still plays most of his minutes at the 4.

Noa is years away from this happening if it ever does, which is highly unlikely. Way too much, he's a future 5 stuff. Just because things can change doesn't mean we should expect things with a low probability to happen. He's a 3/4.