Josh Giddey Thread 2.0

[Almost Retired]

This Giddey contract situation is dragging way too long and could easily cause their relationship to go south.

If both sides don’t fold then we are probably looking at the QO. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that but at this point the more it drags the more chances of that happening.

It’s a bit tough to not be able to agree on a new contract especially with someone who is considered to be the future of this team.

Hopefully it works out in the end, I still think both sides want the same thing. For now at least…

I wouldn't worry about it. It would be shocking if they don't reach a deal. Both Giddey and the FO have way too many motivations to do a deal for it to breakdown. The only way I can see that is if one side is just being absolutely ridiculous, which is hard to believe.

The Bulls have embraced Giddey and held him out to the fans as a critical young piece. A high quality get after years of being ripped relentlessly by Bulls fans and the NBA media community at large.

And Giddey landed on a team that wants him to play exactly the way he wants to play, and the position he wants to play, the amount of minutes he wants to play, and presumably pay him quite well within a reasonable market range to do so. Since being drafted, the Bulls are the best thing to ever happen to Josh Giddey's career.

It'll get done and be fine.

And the Bulls have been drafting guys (Matas and Noah) that could feast on Giddey's play making in the open court.

[NecessaryEvil]

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[Red8911]

This Giddey contract situation is dragging way too long and could easily cause their relationship to go south.

If both sides don’t fold then we are probably looking at the QO. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that but at this point the more it drags the more chances of that happening.

It’s a bit tough to not be able to agree on a new contract especially with someone who is considered to be the future of this team.

Hopefully it works out in the end, I still think both sides want the same thing. For now at least…

I wouldn't worry about it. It would be shocking if they don't reach a deal. Both Giddey and the FO have way too many motivations to do a deal for it to breakdown. The only way I can see that is if one side is just being absolutely ridiculous, which is hard to believe.

The Bulls have embraced Giddey and held him out to the fans as a critical young piece. A high quality get after years of being ripped relentlessly by Bulls fans and the NBA media community at large.

And Giddey landed on a team that wants him to play exactly the way he wants to play, and the position he wants to play, the amount of minutes he wants to play, and presumably pay him quite well within a reasonable market range to do so. Since being drafted, the Bulls are the best thing to ever happen to Josh Giddey's career.

It'll get done and be fine.

I hope they do figure it out but let’s say that Giddey wants 30 and bulls are giving him 25 for 5 years. That’s 25 million less than what he wants.Its not a small difference.

If Giddey feels like he deserves 30 and thinks he ll get it next off season then that QO is definitely a realistic option for him.

It’s a bit of a gamble but he definitely won’t get less than what he’s offered now that’s for sure.

[MGB8]

This Giddey contract situation is dragging way too long and could easily cause their relationship to go south.

If both sides don’t fold then we are probably looking at the QO. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that but at this point the more it drags the more chances of that happening.

It’s a bit tough to not be able to agree on a new contract especially with someone who is considered to be the future of this team.

Hopefully it works out in the end, I still think both sides want the same thing. For now at least…

I wouldn't worry about it. It would be shocking if they don't reach a deal. Both Giddey and the FO have way too many motivations to do a deal for it to breakdown. The only way I can see that is if one side is just being absolutely ridiculous, which is hard to believe.

The Bulls have embraced Giddey and held him out to the fans as a critical young piece. A high quality get after years of being ripped relentlessly by Bulls fans and the NBA media community at large.

And Giddey landed on a team that wants him to play exactly the way he wants to play, and the position he wants to play, the amount of minutes he wants to play, and presumably pay him quite well within a reasonable market range to do so. Since being drafted, the Bulls are the best thing to ever happen to Josh Giddey's career.

It'll get done and be fine.

I hope they do figure it out but let’s say that Giddey wants 30 and bulls are giving him 25 for 5 years. That’s 25 million less than what he wants.Its not a small difference.

If Giddey feels like he deserves 30 and thinks he ll get it next off season then that QO is definitely a realistic option for him.

It’s a bit of a gamble but he definitely won’t get less than what he’s offered now that’s for sure.

He would be an absolute idiot to do that. If he gets hurt or regresses, he loses 110 million dollars. 125 million dollars guaranteed in the hand is more than worth 150, 160 million in the bush.

And I don't think Giddey is an idiot. This is just the waiting game where both sides try to extract as much as is possible (within reason) for a stretch. Nothing more.

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Does anyone have a read as to whether Phil Handy is has a good reputation in training guys?

[HomoSapien]

The longer this takes, the more uneasy I get. We keep hearing both sides want to get this done, but clearly there's a lot of stubbornness here (possibly on both sides). I still expect it to happen, but I also expect AKME to make frequent dumb mistakes. Him signing the QO would be a disaster.

[nomorezorro]

there's no reason to be uneasy until there's any reporting indicating there's a reason to be uneasy. we don't need to get this deal done to make other moves; we have no reason to fear giddey will sign an offer sheet elsewhere. giddey has no reason to not let things play out a little further to see if some dominoes fall that make us more likely to raise our offer. neither side has any real incentive to hurry up and move off their current position.

ben gordon signed the qualifying offer in october. greg monroe signed it in september. if it gets to the point of taking the qualifying offer, it will almost certainly need to drag out for several more months.

[Red8911]

I know Chet is better than Giddey but he just signed for 50k per season - can bulls just sign Giddey already and then start looking for a rim protector!

I do wonder are they waiting to re sign Giddey before they make any other move ?

[Bullbleep]

If I were Giddey & his agent, I'd absolutely be looking to structure this contract with the next one in mind. This one gets him lifetime wealth, regardless of whether it's 5 years, 4 years, or even only 3. The next one offers the potential for generational wealth. As a result, I'd definitely be pushing for a 3 year contract, especially if the Bulls are pushing to keep the AAV down. I'm guessing the length of the contract may be the bigger hang-up than the total $$$ involved...

[DuckIII]

The longer this takes, the more uneasy I get. We keep hearing both sides want to get this done, but clearly there's a lot of stubbornness here (possibly on both sides). I still expect it to happen, but I also expect AKME to make frequent dumb mistakes. Him signing the QO would be a disaster.

No worries. I only check this thread to see when the inevitable news of a deal breaks.

[Chi town]

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Does anyone have a read as to whether Phil Handy is has a good reputation in training guys?

Handy is legit. Works with lots of stars.

Giddey’s handle looks good in that clip. His 3 ball setup looks even better then end of season too. Still not Lonzo like improvement with setup but he looks 80-90% there.

[Dez]

Watching that clip I kind of forget just how big Giddey is.

[Bulliever2020]

If I were Giddey & his agent, I'd absolutely be looking to structure this contract with the next one in mind. This one gets him lifetime wealth, regardless of whether it's 5 years, 4 years, or even only 3. The next one offers the potential for generational wealth. As a result, I'd definitely be pushing for a 3 year contract, especially if the Bulls are pushing to keep the AAV down. I'm guessing the length of the contract may be the bigger hang-up than the total $$$ involved...

Let's be real here, if this ends up a legit multi year contract and not the QO, this deal will be generational wealth as well.

[Truebiscuit]

Watching that clip I kind of forget just how big Giddey is.

6'8" 210 lbs, man. Big kid.

[Stratmaster]

I think it would be good to soak in the contract extensions and signings over the last several days as we bristle over the difference between 25 and 30 mil a season for Giddey.

Jalen Williams just got 57.4 mil per year
Chet Holmgren 50 mil
Hell, Jabari Smith Jr got 25 mil

I was on the 25 mil number for Giddey. But looking at salaries across the league, 30 mil wouldn't bother me.

[Red Larrivee]

I think it would be good to soak in the contract extensions and signings over the last several days as we bristle over the difference between 25 and 30 mil a season for Giddey.

Jalen Williams just got 57.4 mil per year
Chet Holmgren 50 mil
Hell, Jabari Smith Jr got 25 mil

I was on the 25 mil number for Giddey. But looking at salaries across the league, 30 mil wouldn't bother me.

Herb Jones just got a 23M/year extension and he averages 10 points and is an inconsistent perimeter shooter. (I love Herb and understand he's one of the league's top defenders).

25M is good and fair value for what Giddey is and what the market currently holds. It's clearly in the range of young, productive and flawed starters who could get better. Hell, 30M is in that range as well when you look at other contracts. But, I think 25 is the number you want to fight for.

[jnrjr79]

I think it would be good to soak in the contract extensions and signings over the last several days as we bristle over the difference between 25 and 30 mil a season for Giddey.

Jalen Williams just got 57.4 mil per year
Chet Holmgren 50 mil
Hell, Jabari Smith Jr got 25 mil

I was on the 25 mil number for Giddey. But looking at salaries across the league, 30 mil wouldn't bother me.

Herb Jones just got a 23M/year extension and he averages 10 points and is an inconsistent perimeter shooter. (I love Herb and understand he's one of the league's top defenders).

25M is good and fair value for what Giddey is and what the market currently holds. It's clearly in the range of young, productive and flawed starters who could get better. Hell, 30M is in that range as well when you look at other contracts. But, I think 25 is the number you want to fight for.

Right, I think the whole idea here is that $25M is not actually Giddey's market number, it's an opportunity to get him below market due to the lack of cap space on the market this year. I'm sure his agent is looking at comps and bemoaning that the Bulls aren't paying the real number, but that's sort of the point.

[nomorezorro]

herb jones is one of the most universal plug-and-play guys in the league; giddey's value is dependent on teams being willing to tailor their offense to his skillset *and* give him a major ballhandling role

i do think it's hard to argue that giddey's "fair value" is lower than that $22-23m range, but it is worth considering that his leverage is not only tied to other teams having the money to pay him, but being willing to make him a central part of the team that guides their other roster-building decisions. that could very plausibly make it so he's got a particularly limited market. (it also means that we have to be extra cautious about our own downside risk, because you can't just assume that you can trivially spin him off in a year or two if you determine he's not a long-term fit here.)

[drosestruts]

most pointguards/ lead ball handlers value is tied to teams letting them play their optimal position/role

[Infinity2152]

Pacers though they had Turner locked down. GM apparently didn't even know about the Bucks deal until after it went down. Nobody could offer Turner the contract he was looking for, but the Bucks bought out Lillard. Probably talked to Turner before that and told him if we do this to sign you, don't go back to Indy to match it. Pacers were lowballing him, but they probably would have matched it.

Giddey's agent sees this, no need to rush. Another team does this for Giddey, he has some leverage again. Bulls can match any offer, but if a team clears the space they can offer Giddey $30 mill or well over $30 mill to try to force the Bulls to not match. Or the Bulls match, and Giddey gets a bigger contract.