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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1921 » by celticgreenie » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:05 pm

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celticgreenie wrote:I have a feeling Brad might over value Hauser like he did with Smart.

Last season during training camp there were two opposing camps about the value of Lonnie Walker. I think coming off a championship there was hubris. He could have diversified our offense just enough (he's a walking bucket) so we don't blow those two big leads against the Knicks. He was a good playoff performer for the Lakers when they beat the Warriors a couple seasons ago.

Oh god, not the Lonnie Walker stuff again.

If he was so good for the lakers in the playoffs, why didn't they bring him back? Why didn't the spurs want him anymore before that? Why didn't the nets bring him back after that? Why did no NBA team offer him a standard contract all offseason last year so he had to go play overseas? Why aren't the Sixers bringing him back now?

He's just not that good. Streaky shooter. Only a scorer (doesn't pass, rebound, defend, or set screens) yet he's been well below league average TS% in every year of his career.


With Westbrook trade and playing time crunch, there wasn't enough minutes so he opted to head for a bigger role in Brooklyn. Spurs wanted to rebuild and once again wanted a larger role so he asked them to rescind his qualifying offer. So these two incidences earlier in his career showed he wasn't ready for a larger role, but that doesn't mean he can't play a smaller yet valuable role off the bench. The Sixers backcourt is incredibly crowded.

Our bench lacked any kind of scoring during the first 2 pivotal games of Knicks series except for Game 1 in which PP put up 13 points. Hauser injured his ankle in Game 1 and only played 4 minutes and didn't play at all during Game 2 due to the injury. Having someone like Walker come in place of Hauser could have kept the Celtics better afloat to withstand the Knicks runs.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1922 » by winsomme2 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:12 pm

Hal14 wrote:https://www.celticsblog.com/2025/7/10/24464596/brad-stevens-celtics-comfortable-with-roster-to-begin-next-season-boston-nba-summer-league

"Brad Stevens comfortable with roster to begin next season

The Celtics will continue searching for opportunities, but the current roster appears to be more or less what they’ll begin next season with."


https://youtu.be/Z-arb5gR-vA?si=Osvot7eG-E7fUBGR

Jay King from the Athletic was on the sports hub this morning and said the Cs are still actively shopping Simons.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1923 » by 165bows » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:14 pm

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Hal14 wrote:FWIW, I currently have us as the 8 seed:

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If we dump Simons and don't get anything good in return for him (like just cap relief and a cheap vet/young development piece) then I'd probably move us down a couple more spots..

I hope the media says we’re going to be terrible too. Not saying you are.

I hope everyone lets them know they are lottery bound. I hope every word that comes out is saying how bad they will be!!

Time to activate the dog in jb, white, and the pups!! Like Brad mentioned, chip on shoulders!!


Let’s go! The hospital and IT4 Celtics were fun!


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Yes, I would have given those seasons up for championships, they weren’t that level of fun. Saying how fun they were without the chip. Last season wasn’t as fun as Hospital Celtics that almost took out prime LBJ!

Give me Magic over the Knicks this season.

Suggs/Bane/Wagner/Banchero/WCJ with Mo Wagner and some other bench guys, if they stay healthy I'd bet on them. Knicks have their super bowl hangover after beating Boston in the 2nd round.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1924 » by winsomme2 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:16 pm

Hal14 wrote:https://www.celticsblog.com/2025/7/10/24464596/brad-stevens-celtics-comfortable-with-roster-to-begin-next-season-boston-nba-summer-league

"Brad Stevens comfortable with roster to begin next season

The Celtics will continue searching for opportunities, but the current roster appears to be more or less what they’ll begin next season with."

https://youtu.be/Z-arb5gR-vA?si=Osvot7eG-E7fUBGR

Jay King from the Athletic was on the sports hub this morning and said the Cs are still actively shopping Simons.
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Post#1925 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:17 pm

Well, I have us as the three seed behind Cleveland and Orlando. So there.
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Post#1926 » by 165bows » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:19 pm

Smart can rehab with Tatum. Super fun and great guy to have on the team when he was young but crashed early and not sure his attitude didn't do the same.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1927 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:21 pm

winsomme2 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:https://www.celticsblog.com/2025/7/10/24464596/brad-stevens-celtics-comfortable-with-roster-to-begin-next-season-boston-nba-summer-league

"Brad Stevens comfortable with roster to begin next season

The Celtics will continue searching for opportunities, but the current roster appears to be more or less what they’ll begin next season with."


[youtube] https://youtu.be/Z-arb5gR-vA?si=Osvot7eG-E7fUBGR[/youtube]

Jay King from the Athletic was on the sports hub this morning and said the Cs are still actively shopping Simons.

My post has a quote that says The Celtics will continue search for opportunities (which implies trades/FA pickups) but Brad is comfortable with roster to begin season and current roster more or less is what they'll begin the season with.

Both things can be true.
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Post#1928 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:23 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Well, I have us as the three seed behind Cleveland and Orlando. So there.

C'mon now. Let's be serious. There's no way we're better than the Knicks, without Tatum, Jrue, KP, Al and Luke..
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Post#1929 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:27 pm

165bows wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:
Hal14 wrote:FWIW, I currently have us as the 8 seed:

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If we dump Simons and don't get anything good in return for him (like just cap relief and a cheap vet/young development piece) then I'd probably move us down a couple more spots..

I hope the media says we’re going to be terrible too. Not saying you are.

I hope everyone lets them know they are lottery bound. I hope every word that comes out is saying how bad they will be!!

Time to activate the dog in jb, white, and the pups!! Like Brad mentioned, chip on shoulders!!


Let’s go! The hospital and IT4 Celtics were fun!


Spoiler:
Yes, I would have given those seasons up for championships, they weren’t that level of fun. Saying how fun they were without the chip. Last season wasn’t as fun as Hospital Celtics that almost took out prime LBJ!

Give me Magic over the Knicks this season.

Suggs/Bane/Wagner/Banchero/WCJ with Mo Wagner and some other bench guys, if they stay healthy I'd bet on them. Knicks have their super bowl hangover after beating Boston in the 2nd round.

Yeah, those 2 teams I could see it going either way.
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Post#1930 » by Bad-Thoma » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:33 pm

Man, all these negative types. Obviously we're going 82-0.
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Post#1931 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:35 pm

I think the Knicks will implode. I'd be more worried about the Pistons.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1932 » by winsomme2 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:40 pm

Hal14 wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:https://www.celticsblog.com/2025/7/10/24464596/brad-stevens-celtics-comfortable-with-roster-to-begin-next-season-boston-nba-summer-league

"Brad Stevens comfortable with roster to begin next season

The Celtics will continue searching for opportunities, but the current roster appears to be more or less what they’ll begin next season with."


[youtube] https://youtu.be/Z-arb5gR-vA?si=Osvot7eG-E7fUBGR[/youtube]

Jay King from the Athletic was on the sports hub this morning and said the Cs are still actively shopping Simons.

My post has a quote that literally says The Celtics will continue search for opportunities (which implies trades/FA pickups) but Brad is comfortable with roster to begin season and current roster more or less is what they'll begin the season with.

Both things can be true.


Fair enough. I think many of us feel similarly and are curious about Simons too.
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Post#1933 » by SuperDeluxe » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:55 pm

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jmr07019 wrote:For the love of god do not bring Smart back. Would be the worst possible move

Why? Not for an asset but for a minimum, I hope Brad does it one day. I miss him!

He's signed for over $21 million in 2025/2026. If he's bought out, I doubt he'll sign for the minimum. I absolutely loved the guy when he was here but he's been a walking injury and has barely played since he left. It's a hard no from me.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1934 » by Shak_Celts » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:58 pm

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jmr07019 wrote:For the love of god do not bring Smart back. Would be the worst possible move

Why? Not for an asset but for a minimum, I hope Brad does it one day. I miss him!

He's signed for over $21 million in 2025/2026. If he's bought out, I doubt he'll sign for the minimum. I absolutely loved the guy when he was here but he's been a walking injury and has barely played since he left. It's a hard no from me.

I know. In the other post I said the 26 season, meaning 26/27.

Edit: I also said if he gets more than a minimum, congrats to him and his agent. I hope we don’t pay anywhere over 10m. Not in this economy. We could give that to Al instead. Smart hasn’t been good since he left. Mid might be too high praise.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1935 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:58 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:I think the Knicks will implode.

Maybe

Curmudgeon wrote:I'd be more worried about the Pistons.

Maybe. I do like that Pistons team. Most of their main guys are still so young too so next season we should see a decent amount of internal development.

They'll be good next year, for sure.
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Post#1936 » by GreenBlooded » Thu Jul 10, 2025 10:50 pm

Hal14 wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:https://www.celticsblog.com/2025/7/10/24464596/brad-stevens-celtics-comfortable-with-roster-to-begin-next-season-boston-nba-summer-league

"Brad Stevens comfortable with roster to begin next season

The Celtics will continue searching for opportunities, but the current roster appears to be more or less what they’ll begin next season with."


[youtube] https://youtu.be/Z-arb5gR-vA?si=Osvot7eG-E7fUBGR[/youtube]

Jay King from the Athletic was on the sports hub this morning and said the Cs are still actively shopping Simons.

My post has a quote that says The Celtics will continue search for opportunities (which implies trades/FA pickups) but Brad is comfortable with roster to begin season and current roster more or less is what they'll begin the season with.

Both things can be true.


When you hear a report, or especially multiple reports, that a player is being "shopped," that’s not just smoke. It means the team is actively evaluating the player's value around the league. That doesn’t always mean a trade is coming right now, but it definitely means the front office is doing its homework.

There are a bunch of reasons a team might do this: maybe they're laying the groundwork for a future deal, maybe they want leverage in contract talks, or maybe they're weighing roster moves in general. But in this case, with Simons, there’s no question Brad is gauging his value.

Why he’s doing that, though? That’s the murkier part. It could be the start of something, or it could just be smart front office management. Either way, it’s not nothing.
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Post#1937 » by celtxman » Thu Jul 10, 2025 11:15 pm

Dogen wrote:I'd prolly do the Simons for Vucevic + 2029 second if that is really on the table.

If Brad is determined to keep the team competitive this season, at least that makes for a feasible big rotation. Not great, but Vuc, Queta, Garza is respectable.

Since they are determined to trade Simons, this would be the right kind of return. Expiring contract at a position of real need. Maybe he stays on a Horford type contract.
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Post#1938 » by cloverleaf » Thu Jul 10, 2025 11:26 pm

Hal14 wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:https://www.celticsblog.com/2025/7/10/24464596/brad-stevens-celtics-comfortable-with-roster-to-begin-next-season-boston-nba-summer-league

"Brad Stevens comfortable with roster to begin next season

The Celtics will continue searching for opportunities, but the current roster appears to be more or less what they’ll begin next season with."


[youtube] https://youtu.be/Z-arb5gR-vA?si=Osvot7eG-E7fUBGR[/youtube]

Jay King from the Athletic was on the sports hub this morning and said the Cs are still actively shopping Simons.

My post has a quote that says The Celtics will continue search for opportunities (which implies trades/FA pickups) but Brad is comfortable with roster to begin season and current roster more or less is what they'll begin the season with.

Both things can be true.


But that Brad would announce in a presser that he's not comfortable going into the season with his roster, and in fact he's rather beyond desperate to make some trades, is not something that he would ever do.
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Post#1939 » by Dogen » Thu Jul 10, 2025 11:30 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Dogen wrote:I'd prolly do the Simons for Vucevic + 2029 second if that is really on the table.

If Brad is determined to keep the team competitive this season, at least that makes for a feasible big rotation. Not great, but Vuc, Queta, Garza is respectable.

We're not going to be legit title contenders. So I'd rather get a better draft pick / higher lottery odds, tbh..

There's no point in improving the center rotation so we get the 5th seed instead of the 8 seed. All that does is get us a worse draft pick..and potentially more playoff games which add more wear and tear to white/JB and maybe Tatum's bodies..


From Brad's mouth to our ears, he says he's allergic to tanks. We'll see.

So, you're in for the ol', "Let's just do a quick one year tank job, save wear and tear on the tires, pick up a top three gem of a player in a loaded draft, and then get right back to winning championships" play?

Hmmm, IDK. There seems to be some recency bias in people's thinking. Like, outside of Dallas this year, how often has that worked that the league had a legit contender team with injuries, then just dip into the lotto and come out with a Flagg-caliber pick? Then go back to finals? It happens, but veeeeery rare.

OTOH, keeping the winning attitude and habit, maybe getting mid-first round (or late lotto), making a move up or trade to still getting a gem while keeping the team in the winning mindset, toughened up and ready to take back the crown. Yes.

Those Youtube NESN'ers discussed this the other night. John Zannis being the "tank now, win later" guy.

I agree with Ms. Noa Dalzell. I hate tanking. Tanking is bad. It's bad for the team. It's bad for the league. It's bad for the players. It's bad for the fans. It shouldn't be rewarded, and it usually doesn't even work.

BTW, might as well just fire Joe if the plan is to play for higher picks. Can you imagine how toxic the air around the bench would be with Joe in on the tank?

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Post#1940 » by cloverleaf » Thu Jul 10, 2025 11:49 pm

Dogen wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Dogen wrote:I'd prolly do the Simons for Vucevic + 2029 second if that is really on the table.

If Brad is determined to keep the team competitive this season, at least that makes for a feasible big rotation. Not great, but Vuc, Queta, Garza is respectable.

We're not going to be legit title contenders. So I'd rather get a better draft pick / higher lottery odds, tbh..

There's no point in improving the center rotation so we get the 5th seed instead of the 8 seed. All that does is get us a worse draft pick..and potentially more playoff games which add more wear and tear to white/JB and maybe Tatum's bodies..


From Brad's mouth to our ears, he says he's allergic to tanks. We'll see.

So, you're in for the ol', "Let's just do a quick one year tank job, save wear and tear on the tires, pick up a top three gem of a player in a loaded draft, and then get right back to winning championships" play?

Hmmm, IDK. There seems to be some recency bias in people's thinking. Like, outside of Dallas this year, how often has that worked that the league had a legit contender team with injuries, then just dip into the lotto and come out with a Flagg-caliber pick? Then go back to finals? It happens, but veeeeery rare.

OTOH, keeping the winning attitude and habit, maybe getting mid-first round (or late lotto), making a move up or trade to still getting a gem while keeping the team in the winning mindset, toughened up and ready to take back the crown. Yes.

Those Youtube NESN'ers discussed this the other night. John Zannis being the "tank now, win later" guy.

I agree with Ms. Noa Dalzell. I hate tanking. Tanking is bad. It's bad for the team. It's bad for the league. It's bad for the players. It's bad for the fans. It shouldn't be rewarded, and it usually doesn't even work.

BTW, might as well just fire Joe if the plan is to play for higher picks. Can you imagine how toxic the air around the bench would be with Joe in on the tank?

No thank you, sir.


Tanking is done with how the roster is put together, not with the coach or players intentionally losing.

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