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Post#961 » by winforlose » Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:38 pm

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Klomp wrote:No, the analysis is not just saying that he isn't NBA ready. It is saying he sucks and/or he's a bust based solely on the franchise being patient with his development.

NO ONE realistically thought he should be ready to come in and start and dominate on a Western Conference Finals team, yet that is the expectation placed on him through lazy analysis. It is that ESPN-style lazy analysis that is truly damaging to the league.

Players should not all be judged on the same scale. If Anthony Edwards were judged after his rookie year based solely on being a No. 1 pick, he would be exiled from the league because his rookie season is not as dominant as LeBron James was. That is not much different than what you are doing here. Since he was a Top 10 pick, it means he must dominate in your eyes. You are saying a small 19-year old point guard should have equal expectations to physically dominate summer league as a 25-year old wing is doing. That is not fair to Dillingham at all.


When we traded DLO, we didn’t just trade a player, we traded the salary slot that he represented. Mike was older, on a deal with only one year left, and not the long term PG solution. We already had KAT and Rudy on max deals, and Ant, Jaden, and Naz were all gonna need money. So we were kinda stuck. Then we extended Mike cheap and that salary slot went away. WMJ was supposed to be the solution to the question of PGOF. The problem was WMJ sucked. This left us with a problem and limited solutions. We traded for Dilly to solve that problem. Many, including myself thought this was a bad solution. We said how can you go into 24/25 with only Mike and Dilly at PG. Then we traded KAT, and acquired DDV. We spent all of 24/25 realizing TC failed a third time at PGOF. Now we have no good options at PG 1 or PG 2 and are looking at a wasted year. This is why I want TC fired. He botched our one chance at a balanced roster by trading KAT without bringing back a high end PG. You think PG is overrated, that is your opinion. My opinion is that Dilly is not ready, Mike is not viable anymore, and we are ****ed.

P.S. The Dilly isn’t dominating is in the context of not being ready yet, at least from me.

What is the last word of the acronym PGOF? I thought it meant FUTURE, not FIRST year, but maybe I'm mistaken.

And I don't think I've ever said PG is overrated. I just don't think the skills required from the position in Finch's system match what people normally think of when judging PGs. That's why it needs to be a more nuanced conversation.


We have gone back and forth on that, and you recently started saying PG is different under Finch, but you used to say PG isn’t that important with Finch or overall. Either way, this is the future. The DLO trade was 22/23 and Mike is now 38. If Dilly is the long term answer then we need a short term one. If Dilly is a bust (still very possible,) then we have neither a short or long term solution.
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Re: The Rob Dillingham Thread 

Post#962 » by Biff Cooper » Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:42 pm

Summer league games are often used as a way to get players to focus on being better at specific aspects of their game more-so than having them focus on their overall game. I don't read too much into SL performances, especially when I don't know what the coaching staff is trying to have a player focus on. I have only caught a few minutes here and there during the SL games, and he definitely hasn't stood out to me as being awful as some are saying. He shows several NBA level skills including quickness and ball handling, and he generally gives good effort - which was one of his knocks pre-draft.
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Post#963 » by Klomp » Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:57 pm

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Klomp wrote:We sat through decades of lazy "he's a bust" takes. It's fun to throw them around, but when you've been around these forums as long as I have been, you start to gain a better clarity for what really is a bust, what was just a bad pick altogether, and who might just need a larger or different opportunity.

"Bust" should be reserved for lottery draft picks who don't even make it to a second NBA contract (Year 5). Those are 100% busts.


Unfortunately the Wolves have plenty of experience with those too. Dilly might be ready in 27/28, but he is not likely an impact player in 25/26. If he isn’t then that means we need to bring someone in to fill PG 1 or PG 2 or risk a losing season. That means trading either Randle or DDV for a PG, and that is not a trade from a position of strength. You are involved in all these discussions yet you deliberately refuse to include the context they are obviously being included in. What is up with that?

I'm not deliberately refusing anything. Of course a change might have to be made some point in the future. Every player on the roster outside of Ant, Jaden, and Naz is going to be up for discussion over the next 3-5 years in personnel decisions. But that doesn't automatically mean that Rob or anyone else is a bust.
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Post#964 » by Dewey » Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:06 pm

Dilly is electric … at times. Instant game changer. Edward’s was electric at times as a #1 and it has taken him 2-3 years to see and feel where to go with the ball. Dilly is clearly a work in progress - until he can start to see AND feel the right place to go with the ball there will continue to be some highs and lows.

Drafted as a PG, Dilly has far higher expectations to progress faster. Maybe something will click early in 25-26 season, but when you’re rolling the dice with potential, it is not a pure science. Cannot push a rope.

MC and Flinch need to rub the crystal ball and make the call. Operate by committee until Dilly turns a corner or make a modest move.
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Re: The Rob Dillingham Thread 

Post#965 » by winforlose » Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:11 pm

Klomp wrote:
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Klomp wrote:We sat through decades of lazy "he's a bust" takes. It's fun to throw them around, but when you've been around these forums as long as I have been, you start to gain a better clarity for what really is a bust, what was just a bad pick altogether, and who might just need a larger or different opportunity.

"Bust" should be reserved for lottery draft picks who don't even make it to a second NBA contract (Year 5). Those are 100% busts.


Unfortunately the Wolves have plenty of experience with those too. Dilly might be ready in 27/28, but he is not likely an impact player in 25/26. If he isn’t then that means we need to bring someone in to fill PG 1 or PG 2 or risk a losing season. That means trading either Randle or DDV for a PG, and that is not a trade from a position of strength. You are involved in all these discussions yet you deliberately refuse to include the context they are obviously being included in. What is up with that?

I'm not deliberately refusing anything. Of course a change might have to be made some point in the future. Every player on the roster outside of Ant, Jaden, and Naz is going to be up for discussion over the next 3-5 years in personnel decisions. But that doesn't automatically mean that Rob or anyone else is a bust.


If Dilly is not rotation worthy in 25/26 that does not make him a bust. He is a bust if he is not rotation worthy in 27/28 which is his. 4th year. He is however a disappointment at #8 if it takes 4 years to get real value from him.
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Post#966 » by frankenwolf » Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:56 pm

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Unfortunately the Wolves have plenty of experience with those too. Dilly might be ready in 27/28, but he is not likely an impact player in 25/26. If he isn’t then that means we need to bring someone in to fill PG 1 or PG 2 or risk a losing season. That means trading either Randle or DDV for a PG, and that is not a trade from a position of strength. You are involved in all these discussions yet you deliberately refuse to include the context they are obviously being included in. What is up with that?

I'm not deliberately refusing anything. Of course a change might have to be made some point in the future. Every player on the roster outside of Ant, Jaden, and Naz is going to be up for discussion over the next 3-5 years in personnel decisions. But that doesn't automatically mean that Rob or anyone else is a bust.


If Dilly is not rotation worthy in 25/26 that does not make him a bust. He is a bust if he is not rotation worthy in 27/28 which is his. 4th year. He is however a disappointment at #8 if it takes 4 years to get real value from him.


I thought we were all of the opinion that PG in the NBA is the hardest position to just take over and do. So I'm figuring on Dilly taking a couple of years. As far as I am concerned, he has plenty of support to learn from and the talent to play the position. I expect him to be alot better this year and even more so in 26-27.
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Re: The Rob Dillingham Thread 

Post#967 » by winforlose » Wed Jul 16, 2025 4:05 pm

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Klomp wrote:I'm not deliberately refusing anything. Of course a change might have to be made some point in the future. Every player on the roster outside of Ant, Jaden, and Naz is going to be up for discussion over the next 3-5 years in personnel decisions. But that doesn't automatically mean that Rob or anyone else is a bust.


If Dilly is not rotation worthy in 25/26 that does not make him a bust. He is a bust if he is not rotation worthy in 27/28 which is his. 4th year. He is however a disappointment at #8 if it takes 4 years to get real value from him.


I thought we were all of the opinion that PG in the NBA is the hardest position to just take over and do. So I'm figuring on Dilly taking a couple of years. As far as I am concerned, he has plenty of support to learn from and the talent to play the position. I expect him to be alot better this year and even more so in 26-27.


There are 3 different questions and they are getting conflated.

1. Is Dilly ready for a rotation role this season? If not who is the PG 1 and who is the PG 2?

2. Is Dilly gonna be ready for a PG 1 or PG 2 role in 27/28 when he is on his last cheap year?

3. Is Dilly the starting PG during Ant’s prime run?

I am more concerned with question 1. The roster balance is a problem if the answer is no.
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Re: The Rob Dillingham Thread 

Post#968 » by KGdaBom » Wed Jul 16, 2025 4:08 pm

winforlose wrote:
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Unfortunately the Wolves have plenty of experience with those too. Dilly might be ready in 27/28, but he is not likely an impact player in 25/26. If he isn’t then that means we need to bring someone in to fill PG 1 or PG 2 or risk a losing season. That means trading either Randle or DDV for a PG, and that is not a trade from a position of strength. You are involved in all these discussions yet you deliberately refuse to include the context they are obviously being included in. What is up with that?

I'm not deliberately refusing anything. Of course a change might have to be made some point in the future. Every player on the roster outside of Ant, Jaden, and Naz is going to be up for discussion over the next 3-5 years in personnel decisions. But that doesn't automatically mean that Rob or anyone else is a bust.


If Dilly is not rotation worthy in 25/26 that does not make him a bust. He is a bust if he is not rotation worthy in 27/28 which is his. 4th year. He is however a disappointment at #8 if it takes 4 years to get real value from him.

That's a pretty good way to look at it. I see Dilly as Rotation ready this season. I hope I'm right because I like being right and the Wolves will be better if I'm right.
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Post#969 » by TimberKat » Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:13 pm

For 25-26 season, if he could provide 10 mins of scoring spark off the bench and attack the rim like Jaylen Nowell did in that one year, it will be a big win.

By 26-27 season, we need to see performance equal or better than Nowell's 21-22 season with a couple more assist per game.
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Post#970 » by frankenwolf » Wed Jul 16, 2025 7:39 pm

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There are 3 different questions and they are getting conflated.

1. Is Dilly ready for a rotation role this season? If not who is the PG 1 and who is the PG 2?

2. Is Dilly gonna be ready for a PG 1 or PG 2 role in 27/28 when he is on his last cheap year?

3. Is Dilly the starting PG during Ant’s prime run?

I am more concerned with question 1. The roster balance is a problem if the answer is no.


1) Yes, although there will be times it isn't pretty

2) IMO, yes as PG1

3) If one and two are true, then the answer here is definitely.

I have confidence that Dilly will be ready to play this year and Fitch is going to have to trust him more than it seems he did last year.

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Post#971 » by KGdaBom » Wed Jul 16, 2025 9:13 pm

frankenwolf wrote:
winforlose wrote:
There are 3 different questions and they are getting conflated.

1. Is Dilly ready for a rotation role this season? If not who is the PG 1 and who is the PG 2?

2. Is Dilly gonna be ready for a PG 1 or PG 2 role in 27/28 when he is on his last cheap year?

3. Is Dilly the starting PG during Ant’s prime run?

I am more concerned with question 1. The roster balance is a problem if the answer is no.


1) Yes, although there will be times it isn't pretty

2) IMO, yes as PG1

3) If one and two are true, then the answer here is definitely.

I have confidence that Dilly will be ready to play this year and Fitch is going to have to trust him more than it seems he did last year.

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Re: The Rob Dillingham Thread 

Post#972 » by Norseman79 » Thu Jul 17, 2025 12:10 am

winforlose wrote:
frankenwolf wrote:
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If Dilly is not rotation worthy in 25/26 that does not make him a bust. He is a bust if he is not rotation worthy in 27/28 which is his. 4th year. He is however a disappointment at #8 if it takes 4 years to get real value from him.


I thought we were all of the opinion that PG in the NBA is the hardest position to just take over and do. So I'm figuring on Dilly taking a couple of years. As far as I am concerned, he has plenty of support to learn from and the talent to play the position. I expect him to be alot better this year and even more so in 26-27.


There are 3 different questions and they are getting conflated.

1. Is Dilly ready for a rotation role this season? If not who is the PG 1 and who is the PG 2?

2. Is Dilly gonna be ready for a PG 1 or PG 2 role in 27/28 when he is on his last cheap year?

3. Is Dilly the starting PG during Ant’s prime run?

I am more concerned with question 1. The roster balance is a problem if the answer is no.


Great post...

1. No...PG1????, PG2Conley

2.Maybe if consistency occurs and money motivates.

3. Doesn't seem to be, I would see him more as a sparkplug off the bench if I am honest.
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Re: The Rob Dillingham Thread 

Post#973 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Thu Jul 17, 2025 12:52 am

winforlose wrote:
frankenwolf wrote:
winforlose wrote:
If Dilly is not rotation worthy in 25/26 that does not make him a bust. He is a bust if he is not rotation worthy in 27/28 which is his. 4th year. He is however a disappointment at #8 if it takes 4 years to get real value from him.


I thought we were all of the opinion that PG in the NBA is the hardest position to just take over and do. So I'm figuring on Dilly taking a couple of years. As far as I am concerned, he has plenty of support to learn from and the talent to play the position. I expect him to be alot better this year and even more so in 26-27.


There are 3 different questions and they are getting conflated.

1. Is Dilly ready for a rotation role this season? If not who is the PG 1 and who is the PG 2?

2. Is Dilly gonna be ready for a PG 1 or PG 2 role in 27/28 when he is on his last cheap year?

3. Is Dilly the starting PG during Ant’s prime run?

I am more concerned with question 1. The roster balance is a problem if the answer is no.



For me :

1. I think Dilly will start some games early in the season or at least play significant minutes. PG1 will be Mike/Rob , and DDV will play some min there.

2. Dilly is near ready , i have no doubt. He will have up and down but i can bet he will show huge improvement compared to last year and i won't be surprised he is become PG1 later in the season, Mike coming from the bench will be a good option and he will have the ball in hands and help second unit to shine, something he can't do when he sleep in the corner waiting ANT or Randle to pass the ball. Still don't understand why so many peoples doubt about Dilly abilities to become a good PG.

3. This point i'm not sure 100%. What are Rob limit? his size obviously can limit him, even if Mike at his prime was a huge player and defender.

And i think that getting a star PG will be counterproductive. ANT is having the ball most of the time and it won't work.
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Post#974 » by Sealab2024 » Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:47 am

I saw what I needed to see from Rob. He is learning to run an NBA offense. The question is rarely "can" a guy learn how to run the point in the NBA it's "do they want to learn". Rob has obviously decided he wants to be a legit NBA PG. The tools are there and he showed he's figuring out how to run the offense. That's what we need from Rob at this point. 15 minutes a night should be standard
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Post#975 » by minimus » Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:14 am

One thing that has pleasantly surprised me is Rob’s ability to both run and finish in transition. I feel like fans have already (rightfully!!!) crowned TJ as the best transition player on the team — but Rob has shown a lot of encouraging things in Summer League:
- He runs the floor and finishes well in fastbreaks
- He doesn’t stop the ball — makes quick, decisive reads in transition
- He’s made some really nice passes, including alley-oops


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Post#976 » by Klomp » Fri Jul 18, 2025 7:21 pm

minimus wrote:One thing that has pleasantly surprised me is Rob’s ability to both run and finish in transition. I feel like fans have already (rightfully!!!) crowned TJ as the best transition player on the team — but Rob has shown a lot of encouraging things in Summer League:
- He runs the floor and finishes well in fastbreaks
- He doesn’t stop the ball — makes quick, decisive reads in transition
- He’s made some really nice passes, including alley-oops

I think this is especially important because Ant and Jaden are not natural transition players. They can run, but it is not ingrained in them to do so unless others are leading the way. But by playing Rob, TJ and even Joan more over the next handful of years, I think we will see a marked improvement in the team's pace of play.
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Post#977 » by Klomp » Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:05 pm

I think this is a good analysis

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Post#978 » by Domejandro » Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:11 pm

I dog on Dane’s takes quite a bit, but I’m genuinely grateful to him for pulling Britt Robson away from retirement. I get he’s painfully cynical at times (though I generally agree with the cynicism completely…), but he’s easily one of Minnesota’s most intelligent basketball analysts. I’m still bummed about the Britt and Brauer Podcast being ended.
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Post#979 » by minimus » Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:40 pm

I actually liked how Tristen Newton played in clutch in last game: cool as cucumber, he hit that three under pressure and both free throw. If no other FA comes here, I'd probably give him last two way contract

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