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sasquatchBob wrote:Who else thinks Booker is gone next offseason?
SweaterBae wrote:It's the perfect trade when nobody is happy.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
So like I was saying. Once the follow up trades are made, and they add back matching/ equitable salary via trades and signings, unless they intentionally take back much lower salaried contracts, they'll just end up right back over the apron and possibly the 2nd apron again too if they don't effectively cut significant salary in these follow up moves.
Hindsight being 20/20, a good question will be if it was really worth it to anchor ourselves to nearly 20 million in dead cap just for a temporary solution now when it won't really change our competitive trajectory very much if at all.
Sunsdeuce wrote:Saberestar wrote:
Yeah so did everyone else Capt Obvious and you also said he was going to be gone last week. (Not you Saberestsr…Gambo when I say you).
Sunsdeuce wrote:So to recap:
Suns traded Chris Paul, Landry Shamet, four future first-round pick swaps, and six future second-round picks to the Wizards for $20 million dead cap space for the next half decade.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
So like I was saying. Once the follow up trades are made, and they add back matching/ equitable salary via trades and signings, unless they intentionally take back much lower salaried contracts, they'll just end up right back over the apron and possibly the 2nd apron again too if they don't effectively cut significant salary in these follow up moves.
Hindsight being 20/20, a good question will be if it was really worth it to anchor ourselves to nearly 20 million in dead cap just for a temporary solution now when it won't really change our competitive trajectory very much if at all.
I would be shocked if the Suns actually end the season over the tax line. Its just such a huge actual money difference because it gets them out of the repeater penalty plus if you're under you receive a check from the over the tax teams.
Like they could go slightly over signing guys to fill out the roster then just trade Richards or someone for a less expensive player or straight into a teams trade exemption and get under before the end of the year.
bigfoot wrote:schnakenpopanz wrote:darealjuice wrote:Goodbye, incredibly obvious mistake that will haunt us for the foreseeable future. Trading for an oft-injured, overpaid player with a no trade clause that plays the same position as your franchise player. Another ball dominant player to pair with Booker and KD. Brilliant decision making.
It had to be done, but where is the reason for optimism with this team? Booker and Green backcourt won't be able to guard anyone. Dillon Brooks is Dillon Brooks. We'll be lucky to get 40 games out of Mark Williams. Our only hope for improvement is Dunn, Maluach, and Fleming? Bleak. Tanking doesn't make sense since we don't own our picks, but wasting Booker's career/value on 30-win treadmills is a shame too.
I am sure that I will not see a champiosnhip of the suns in my lifetime. At least not with Ishbia as an owner.
Are you in your 80's?
Sunsdeuce wrote:So to recap:
Suns traded Chris Paul, Landry Shamet, four future first-round pick swaps, and six future second-round picks to the Wizards for $20 million dead cap space for the next half decade.
Sunsdeuce wrote:So to recap:
Suns traded Chris Paul, Landry Shamet, four future first-round pick swaps, and six future second-round picks to the Wizards for $20 million dead cap space for the next half decade.
KdoubleDees23 wrote:handsome salary wrote:Its funny that KD, Beal and Ayton are now on the Rockets, Clips and Lakers.
Turn the page/burn the page, whatever.
TBH out of those 3, If Ayton can become that 20/10 force and play defense. He just made that team a contender!
Ghost of Kleine wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
The beauty of this premise though would be that he'd be a vet min acquisition on a "prove it" type of deal, so if he can have a resurgence, then we have a cost controlled contributing piece.
But if he doesn't contribute or can't stay relatively healthy, then we'd just cut him for little to no detriment at all.
But for the minimal financial risk, and absent legitimate playoff contention too, this is exactly the type of low key needle mover situation we could and should explore.
If we're taking flyers, hell bring back Monte Morris who was done dirty after we brought in Jones. Give me Cam Payne. Give me Chris Paul. Give me Simmons. Give me Russ. Give me Brogdan. Give me Cam Thomas.
Oladipo just isn't moving the needle
Lol. Sure! And I'd love to acquire most any of those names too over Oladipo too. But which of those names are even realistically connected to us? And which are we actually pursuing? As far as moving the needle, how much comparative variance would you he expecting from those names contextually.
And how many are willing or would sign for the vet minimum over the MLE? Because again, with Oladipo, I'm talking about the vet minimum and not having to spend the MLE in this scenario:
Monte Morris-
Would he even be willing to come back here and play for us on the minimum after not getting any playing time at all last season? Also, he's like what,
Cam Payne-
An undersized scoring guard with suspect defense who's in a better situation just going back and resigning with the Knicks where at least he can compete.
Chris Paul-
Our front office has already dismissed the idea of bringing back Paul, and even though I'd love to have him back to straighten out Booker and mentor our youngsters, it's much more likely he signs with the Clippers to actually have a chance at a championship and be much closer to his family too.
Ben Simmons-
I'd love Simmons as a defensive/ playmaking low usage utility guard with elite size that could move Booker back to his natural position at SG and compliment Booker in a very simplified role defensively.
However, our front office has shown no interest in him at all, and Simmons also likely wouldn't choose us over many of the interested contenders or even returning to the Clippers!
Russell Westbrook-
I've lobbied for Westbrook (much like Paul)
for awhile now, but clearly our front office isn't interested. Also, Westbrook has numerous interested teams/ contenders and better situations to consider over us.
Malcolm Brogdon-
Brogdon would be solid, but would he even consider playing for us on a vet minimum when he has a solid market of interest? Because I surely wouldn't want us to spend our MLE on him.
And really, at this stage of his career and given his post injury condition, is he really that much of a better option than an equitable flier on Olidipo though? Not really sure it even matters though because I'd strongly doubt that Brogdon would sign with us on a vet min anyways.
Cam Thomas-
Thomas is truly a good scorer, but does he do much else?? At 6'3 maybe 6'4 he would honestly be more redundant to Booker and Green as a scoring oriented guard with questionable defense.
But none of that would matter anyways because he's not a realistic option for us with the big payday that he's looking for. No way would we get him for the vet minimum, and probably not even the MLE.
Not that it matters, because he'd be a redundant and really poor fit, but also wouldn't come here to be logjammed with two other ball dominant scoring guards already on the roster.
What I'm looking at with the Olidipo premise is actual attainable players for the vet minimum, at that position with upside value (even as potential reclamation projects) that have size, athleticism and defensive versatility that could possibly compliment Booker and J Green. Do some ballhandling, defend and operate in a utility role ideally.
Olidipo, given our current conditions, fits that criteria fairly well. And even in a worst case scenario, if he couldn't successfully mount a comeback, he'd still be a vet min signing that we could just waive for little to no detriment.
It's a value swing we'd be looking at that hasn't definitive potential to move the needle if successful. But would cost us next to nothing if it didn't pan out. Sometimes it's more about being open minded to outlier opportunities in order to extract underlying value.
BobbieL wrote:Beal is getting two years, $11m from the Clippers so he probably gave up $14m overall
lilfishi22 wrote:BobbieL wrote:Beal is getting two years, $11m from the Clippers so he probably gave up $14m overall
Did he need to give up $14m though?
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
So like I was saying. Once the follow up trades are made, and they add back matching/ equitable salary via trades and signings, unless they intentionally take back much lower salaried contracts, they'll just end up right back over the apron and possibly the 2nd apron again too if they don't effectively cut significant salary in these follow up moves.
Hindsight being 20/20, a good question will be if it was really worth it to anchor ourselves to nearly 20 million in dead cap just for a temporary solution now when it won't really change our competitive trajectory very much if at all.