DuckIII wrote:League Circles wrote:DuckIII wrote:
How about:
Giddey
Coby
Okoro
Matas
Vuc
Or even better:
Giddey
Coby
Okoro
Matas
Smith
I agree with Kodo. Let Vuc team up with Ayo (always have had great half court chemistry together) to take on bench mobs.
Not sure I understand lol. Your first lineup has Vuc, but then you go on to say that you think he should be on the bench (which I agree with). Your second lineup is identical to mine. Am I missing something? Sounds like we agree.
It was a subtle joke. You keep stubbornly putting Giddey as a small forward despite him being the team’s PG.
Oh, lol, I thought that might be it. It's not stubbornness, it's how roughly half of people in and around the nba and on the forum have defined positions for decades. I happen to think defining position defensively is more consistent and straightforward as a discussion language than defining them offensively, but if Giddey is a point guard, so is Nikola Jokic. And Vuc might be a shooting guard. If Scottie Pippen can be known as a point forward 30 years ago, surely Josh Giddey can today. Especially because unlike Giddey, Pippen actually somewhat regularly defended the opposing 1. Also, fwiw, because some people can't get around the semantics and no one wants to bend, I actually usually deliberately don't list positions anymore, but instead lineups without labels, including in the post you quoted lol, so no I didn't and haven't called Giddey a "small forward". I only use numbers for positions, 1 through 5, to try to emphasize defensive context. A "point" can and does come from every position on the court in the NBA:
5: Jokic, maybe Sabonis
4: Simmons, maybe Odom at times with the Lakers, obviously Lebron for most of the last 20 years
3: Giddey and many others
2: too many to list
1: most common but hardly a rule
The reason to use defensive numbers is because it clearly references how many quicker and how many longer players you need in a unit with a guy to have a decent chance to succeed. With Giddey, most would agree you probably need 2 quicker (change of direction) guys than him on the court (the 1 and 2, or "guards"), and one or two longer guys (the 4 and 5).
If you define position offensively, it doesn't tell you as much about what else you'd need. A "PG" like Giddey needs different skills around him than a "PG" like Steph Curry or Derrick Rose (who are also different from each other). So for "position" I just go 1 through 5 defensively, where plenty of good players can play more than one position easily, but many poor ones like Vuc struggle with just one. Then offensive "position" is simply a different discussion with more nuance and dialogue needed. Generally you need a "point" and then, at bare minimum, two guys who can reliably hit jump shots from distance, and at least one guy bare minimum that can crash the rim for easier buckets. Also at least one secondary ball handler.
