Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[MEDIC]

If he can ever get his three to a respectable average the sky’s the limit

His form actually looks better than I expected. He just doesn't look comfortable yet. It will be interesting to see where he is at by the end of the season......after tons and tons of reps.

I am encouraged.

[MEDIC]

I was so impressed.

I can't think of a comp similar to him.

His game is so unexpected. He looks slow (physically) & he doesn't look like.much of a sprinter........but somehow he is all over the place & gets to spots in a sneaky fast way. There were so.many times in the game I waa thinking "where did he come from & how did he get to that spot so quickly".

Part of it is him being able to read the game so quickly. Part of it is that he constantly stays in moion & he is always doing something useful. He doesn't stand around at all. Part of it is that he simply has good feet & lateral quickness.

With out a doubt Jack is going to pull out the "old twinkletoes" line with him his season (much like does with Poeltl). He just skitters along quickly all over the court & changes direction quickly.

I know they are very different players, but my first impressions tell me that he has more talent than Scottie. Scottie is bigger & a better run and jump athlete, but I see a much higher BBall IQ & motor in CMB.

Either way..........they are both very talented & I am glad we have them both on.the roster.

I think this rebuild is going to be a lot faster than most of these experts give the team credit for.

[Quattro]

Bobby is where he is because he's a CBA expert. Masai started as a scout. Masai insisted on sticking around until the draft, and made the initial call to CMB. Behind Masai of course is the highly respected Dan Tolzman as head of scouting.

So why, oh why, would you give credit to Bobby for this, or any draft? Please explain your reasoning.

Oh my sweet child. You’ve been brainwashed thinking Masai was responsible for every good decision and Bobby for every bad decision.

I query your thesis with verifiable facts. You respond with condescending smarm.

Is that how things normally play out in your work and home life?

Its called grasping at straws. They dont want to admit theyre wrong so expect more of good picks = Bobby, failed picks = Masai.

I guess he was kept on for the draft just "because" in their books since he apparently had no say.

[Duffman100]

We have no clue who is pushing for whom in the war room. Where the responsibility lies etc.

[WuTang_OG]

I dont know considering they always draft this type of archetype for years now, seems they all pretty much on board with the pick. They always love value. If CMB gets a shot he’s a top 3 guy. The analytic profile is too strong.

[tsherkin]

With out a doubt Jack is going to pull out the "old twinkletoes" line with him his season (much like does with Poeltl). He just skitters along quickly all over the court & changes direction quickly.

Hehehehe. Almost assuredly.

[tecumseh18]

We have no clue who is pushing for whom in the war room. Where the responsibility lies etc.

No, but we can infer from job experience and draft history. Raptors best drafting years were 2016 and 2017, BEFORE Bobby was named GM.

[Duffman100]

We have no clue who is pushing for whom in the war room. Where the responsibility lies etc.

No, but we can infer from job experience and draft history. Raptors best drafting years were 2016 and 2017, BEFORE Bobby was named GM.

That's really tough and obviously has a ton of other factors (Wasnt' that when Weltman left?). Also how many top picks / chances did we get after that stretch?

The inference has a ton of room for mistake.

[tecumseh18]

We have no clue who is pushing for whom in the war room. Where the responsibility lies etc.

No, but we can infer from job experience and draft history. Raptors best drafting years were 2016 and 2017, BEFORE Bobby was named GM.

That's really tough and obviously has a ton of other factors (Wasnt' that when Weltman left?). Also how many top picks / chances did we get after that stretch?

The inference has a ton of room for mistake.

Weltman was hired by the Magic a month before the 2017 draft.

Of course we're all working/opining/arguing from incomplete information. But there is ZERO reason to infer that Bobby is responsible for drafting CMB. More likely he was the guy trying to trade #9 + RJ for ... Derrick White. Or trade RJ for anything that brings us under the tax threshold. Who knows? But we can infer.

Inference is a powerful tool. It's certainly enough to convict in a court of law. Here's an example: Raptors finished the season with the second highest winning percentage in the NBA three seasons in a row. 2018-2019-2020. Before, during and after Kawhi. We know who was the top scorer in each of those seasons, but the common element was - Kyle F'N Lowry. So why not infer that Kyle was the most important player in team history?

And when that table was floating around a few years back showing that the Raptors were getting the most value from their trade picks of any team, who was the common element over those seasons? The complaint two years ago was that Masai wasn't involved enough in team operations. So he appeared to rededicate himself, and we a great drafts in 2024 and 2025. Sure it's an inference, but what alternative explanation is more likely?

[VanWest82]

I didn't go on record with a super strong pre-draft take other than to say I thought we should draft CMB (out of the Demin, Queen, Kasp grouping being mocked around us), but tbh I don't understand why he isn't/wasn't considered the 4th best prospect in that draft class. It seems to just be undersized with no jumper = bad and that's the extent of it. The fact he's just tremendous at basketball is secondary. Not for me.

[CoinTossRoss31]

We liked CMB enough that we decided not to trade down with NOP and get an unprotected first next year.

I wonder if CMB was off the board if we would have jumped on that offer? Perhaps the FO had CMB as a top 5 prospect from this draft

[Tha Cynic]

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/report-celtics-turned-down-toronto-raptors-rj-barrett-offer-for-jrue-holiday if Masai really offered this I am glad he is gone

Guys please use your critical thinking skills here. Look at the deal Boston wound up getting for Holiday. Compare it to this, consider how utterly stupid Boston's management would have to be to instead take Simons and seconds over a top 10 lottery pick in a pretty decent draft and a better player.

If you somehow believed this, that would mean not only should Masai have been fired, but Boston's management would have to be fired as well for not taking it.

I doubt the #9 was ever on the table for anyone other than Giannis.

[Vampirate]

I think CMB will replace both RJ and Obaji in the future

Essentially

Barnes
IQ
CMB
BI
Poetl

is our starting lineup for the next couple of years

[WuTang_OG]

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[ATLTimekeeper]

We have no clue who is pushing for whom in the war room. Where the responsibility lies etc.

No, but we can infer from job experience and draft history. Raptors best drafting years were 2016 and 2017, BEFORE Bobby was named GM.

That's really tough and obviously has a ton of other factors (Wasnt' that when Weltman left?). Also how many top picks / chances did we get after that stretch?

The inference has a ton of room for mistake.

I think post 2018 we had second round picks, Malachi Flynn and Scottie Barnes, Gradey Dick and JaKobe Walter.

[Reeko]

The guy exudes leadership. He is so clearly head and shoulders above everyone else on the SL roster in terms of talent.

A lineup of Shead, Walter, BI, CMB and Barnes would be really fun. Shead and Walter can pressure the ball handlers and not worry about getting beat because they have two awesome help defenders holding them down. Then you add BI to bail out the offense if it gets stagnant.

[God Squad]

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Sam Folk got Deebo'd by the SEC

[brownbobcat]

I was so impressed.

I can't think of a comp similar to him.

His game is so unexpected. He looks slow (physically) & he doesn't look like.much of a sprinter........but somehow he is all over the place & gets to spots in a sneaky fast way. There were so.many times in the game I waa thinking "where did he come from & how did he get to that spot so quickly".

Part of it is him being able to read the game so quickly. Part of it is that he constantly stays in moion & he is always doing something useful. He doesn't stand around at all. Part of it is that he simply has good feet & lateral quickness.

With out a doubt Jack is going to pull out the "old twinkletoes" line with him his season (much like does with Poeltl). He just skitters along quickly all over the court & changes direction quickly.

I know they are very different players, but my first impressions tell me that he has more talent than Scottie. Scottie is bigger & a better run and jump athlete, but I see a much higher BBall IQ & motor in CMB.

Either way..........they are both very talented & I am glad we have them both on.the roster.

I think this rebuild is going to be a lot faster than most of these experts give the team credit for.

Initial impression on defence is that he does have a very good IQ and motor. Lateral foot speed/balance at his size seems good, but not elite like OG. Good hands on both sides of the court.

[WuTang_OG]

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Sam Folk got Deebo'd by the SEC

what happen lol

[Reeko]

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Sam Folk got Deebo'd by the SEC

what happen lol

Nothing, he just said that if he tried to add clips of his college games the SEC would come after him.