The best guard Daniel Gafford could return?

[Diop]

Jalen Smith and Ayo for Gafford?

Chicago get a young starting centre, Dallas get a guard and big depth?

Dallas should jump on this.

which probably means Chicago says no, im a charlotte fan and know little about their situation

[daoneandonly]

Jalen Smith and Ayo for Gafford?

Chicago get a young starting centre, Dallas get a guard and big depth?

Dallas should jump on this.

which probably means Chicago says no, im a charlotte fan and know little about their situation

Yea dont think Chi does it plus i think there may still be some history that neither Chi or Gaff want to revisit

[Yenrallik1111]

I like Gafford, but $18M a year for a 20 mpg rim runner is a little steep. I don't think he gets you guys in the Mathurin/Carrington/Pritchard tier of prospects.

Wiggins would be nice, but OKC isn't interested in an expensive 3rd string center, particularly after drafting Sorber.

Would Corey Kispert make sense? He is more of a forward than a guard, but he can shoot it.

18 per in this day and age with the kind of salaries being handed out is not too bad. Especially with a potential Lively injury

[jbk1234]

I like Gafford, but $18M a year for a 20 mpg rim runner is a little steep. I don't think he gets you guys in the Mathurin/Carrington/Pritchard tier of prospects.

Wiggins would be nice, but OKC isn't interested in an expensive 3rd string center, particularly after drafting Sorber.

Would Corey Kispert make sense? He is more of a forward than a guard, but he can shoot it.

18 per in this day and age with the kind of salaries being handed out is not too bad. Especially with a potential Lively injury

Lively's injury history is why it made sense for Dallas to give Gafford that extension. It doesn't follow that other teams want to pay their backup center that much. A team like the Hornets might deal him for an expiring Sexton, but their front office doesn't seem to be worried about winning this season.

[MasterIchiro]

I like Gafford, but $18M a year for a 20 mpg rim runner is a little steep. I don't think he gets you guys in the Mathurin/Carrington/Pritchard tier of prospects.

Wiggins would be nice, but OKC isn't interested in an expensive 3rd string center, particularly after drafting Sorber.

Would Corey Kispert make sense? He is more of a forward than a guard, but he can shoot it.

18 per in this day and age with the kind of salaries being handed out is not too bad. Especially with a potential Lively injury

Lively's injury history is why it made sense for Dallas to give Gafford that extension. It doesn't follow that other teams want to pay their backup center that much. A team like the Hornets might deal him for an expiring Sexton, but their front office doesn't seem to be worried about winning this season.

Nurkic for Sexton was hardly a losing move though.

Lost in all this is I believe Hornets like Sexton as a vet leader beyond this season. I have a feeling I will have to keep repeating this, but Sexton is the starting SG.

LaMelo needed a secondary playmaker all last year. We tested Miller and Miles in this role and they did not hold up. Miller in particular grew visibly frustrated when defenses smothered him and forced the ball out of his hands.

It was extremely difficult to generate offense without a secondary playmaker.

Hornets acquired Sexton with the goal of resolving that issue for the offense.

I actually like a backcourt of LaMelo - Sexton and hope to see the Hornets bring back Sexton using Bird Rights. He's fully recovered from his knee issue and just posted 2 straight years off solid offense on solid efficiency. Sexton can also pressure the rim, another missing ingredient last year for the offense on top of secondary playmaking.

If the Hornets are going with a backcourt similar to Cleveland's that is weak defensively, building the offense at 1-2-3, they have to operate very particularly building the 4 & 5 positions. Not going to rush into paying Gafford this kind of money, and giving up Sexton who is specific to the needs of the offense, and has a reputation of being very competitive. He was targeted as a vet leader.

We are not at all likely to trade him for just your average center.

[jbk1234]

18 per in this day and age with the kind of salaries being handed out is not too bad. Especially with a potential Lively injury

Lively's injury history is why it made sense for Dallas to give Gafford that extension. It doesn't follow that other teams want to pay their backup center that much. A team like the Hornets might deal him for an expiring Sexton, but their front office doesn't seem to be worried about winning this season.

Nurkic for Sexton was hardly a losing move though.

Lost in all this is I believe Hornets like Sexton as a vet leader beyond this season. I have a feeling I will have to keep repeating this, but Sexton is the starting SG.

LaMelo needed a secondary playmaker all last year. We tested Miller and Miles in this role and they did not hold up. Miller in particular grew visibly frustrated when defenses smothered him and forced the ball out of his hands.

It was extremely difficult to generate offense without a secondary playmaker.

Hornets acquired Sexton with the goal of resolving that issue for the offense.

I actually like a backcourt of LaMelo - Sexton and hope to see the Hornets bring back Sexton using Bird Rights. He's fully recovered from his knee issue and just posted 2 straight years off solid offense on solid efficiency. Sexton can also pressure the rim, another missing ingredient last year for the offense on top of secondary playmaking.

If the Hornets are going with a backcourt similar to Cleveland's that is weak defensively, building the offense at 1-2-3, they have to operate very particularly building the 4 & 5 positions. Not going to rush into paying Gafford this kind of money, and giving up Sexton who is specific to the needs of the offense, and has a reputation of being very competitive. He was targeted as a vet leader.

We are not at all likely to trade him for just your average center.

Honestly, if an expiring Gafford was made available for Sexton, I have a hard time believing the Jazz preferred taking back Nurkic and giving up a second to do so. I think Mavs fans simply have differing priorities from their front office.

Your expectations about a Melo/Sexton backcourt seem a tad optimistic to me but to each their own.

[MasterIchiro]

Lively's injury history is why it made sense for Dallas to give Gafford that extension. It doesn't follow that other teams want to pay their backup center that much. A team like the Hornets might deal him for an expiring Sexton, but their front office doesn't seem to be worried about winning this season.

Nurkic for Sexton was hardly a losing move though.

Lost in all this is I believe Hornets like Sexton as a vet leader beyond this season. I have a feeling I will have to keep repeating this, but Sexton is the starting SG.

LaMelo needed a secondary playmaker all last year. We tested Miller and Miles in this role and they did not hold up. Miller in particular grew visibly frustrated when defenses smothered him and forced the ball out of his hands.

It was extremely difficult to generate offense without a secondary playmaker.

Hornets acquired Sexton with the goal of resolving that issue for the offense.

I actually like a backcourt of LaMelo - Sexton and hope to see the Hornets bring back Sexton using Bird Rights. He's fully recovered from his knee issue and just posted 2 straight years off solid offense on solid efficiency. Sexton can also pressure the rim, another missing ingredient last year for the offense on top of secondary playmaking.

If the Hornets are going with a backcourt similar to Cleveland's that is weak defensively, building the offense at 1-2-3, they have to operate very particularly building the 4 & 5 positions. Not going to rush into paying Gafford this kind of money, and giving up Sexton who is specific to the needs of the offense, and has a reputation of being very competitive. He was targeted as a vet leader.

We are not at all likely to trade him for just your average center.

Honestly, if an expiring Gafford was made available for Sexton, I have a hard time believing the Jazz preferred taking back Nurkic and giving up a second to do so. I think Mavs fans simply have differing priorities from their front office.

Your expectations about a Melo/Sexton backcourt seem a tad optimistic to me but to each their own.

I don't see what the Sexton trade has to do with Gafford at all. There is no relationship.

[Thaddy]

Agbaji?

[daoneandonly]

Agbaji?

Money doesnt work and Dallas would not really have interest in Obaji since the rotation of guys they have is just better.

The dream somewhat realistic target for me would still be Aaron Wiggins if there was a third team that would want Gaff and trade OKC a player they'd want/need more than Wiggins

[meekrab]

Dallas should jump on this.

which probably means Chicago says no, im a charlotte fan and know little about their situation

Yea dont think Chi does it plus i think there may still be some history that neither Chi or Gaff want to revisit

I don't think there's any bad blood between Chicago and Gafford, he just needed to work on his hands and the Bulls got a good deal on Javonte Green and a fat stack of Ca$h Con$iderations who is Jerry Reinsdorf's favorite player.

[jbk1234]

Nurkic for Sexton was hardly a losing move though.

Lost in all this is I believe Hornets like Sexton as a vet leader beyond this season. I have a feeling I will have to keep repeating this, but Sexton is the starting SG.

LaMelo needed a secondary playmaker all last year. We tested Miller and Miles in this role and they did not hold up. Miller in particular grew visibly frustrated when defenses smothered him and forced the ball out of his hands.

It was extremely difficult to generate offense without a secondary playmaker.

Hornets acquired Sexton with the goal of resolving that issue for the offense.

I actually like a backcourt of LaMelo - Sexton and hope to see the Hornets bring back Sexton using Bird Rights. He's fully recovered from his knee issue and just posted 2 straight years off solid offense on solid efficiency. Sexton can also pressure the rim, another missing ingredient last year for the offense on top of secondary playmaking.

If the Hornets are going with a backcourt similar to Cleveland's that is weak defensively, building the offense at 1-2-3, they have to operate very particularly building the 4 & 5 positions. Not going to rush into paying Gafford this kind of money, and giving up Sexton who is specific to the needs of the offense, and has a reputation of being very competitive. He was targeted as a vet leader.

We are not at all likely to trade him for just your average center.

Honestly, if an expiring Gafford was made available for Sexton, I have a hard time believing the Jazz preferred taking back Nurkic and giving up a second to do so. I think Mavs fans simply have differing priorities from their front office.

Your expectations about a Melo/Sexton backcourt seem a tad optimistic to me but to each their own.

I don't see what the Sexton trade has to do with Gafford at all. There is no relationship.

Do you believe that Utah's first call involving Sexton was to inquire about the possibility of taking back Nurkic and paying a second for the privilege? I'm guessing that was like 99 on the call sheet.

I'm suggesting that the Jazz likely talked to a bunch of teams, including Dallas, and that if Gafford for Sexton was on the table, they take that deal a flip Gafford. It wasn't offered. The Jazz took the best deal or close to it.

[Texas Chuck]

its wild that a team got paid to take Sexton back for Nurkic and the takeaway before Sexton has played one game is that now his value is significantly higher.

But its just proof that for some of us the value of a player has something to do with the name on the front of the jersey which imo is just a bad way to value players.

Now I would have gladly traded Gafford for Sexton prior to Russell, and honestly I'd still trade Gafford for Sexton now, but in terms of how we saw players get valued this summer, it sure seems like Dallas would be taking a value loss there. I'm just willing to do it because of team need and because it pushes AD to play more center which I think is the best version of Dallas.

But I sure am amused at multiple players who have moved this summer at negative valuations being immediately valued much higher by some posters. It has Artis Gilmore 2.0 vibes big time lol.

[MasterIchiro]

Honestly, if an expiring Gafford was made available for Sexton, I have a hard time believing the Jazz preferred taking back Nurkic and giving up a second to do so. I think Mavs fans simply have differing priorities from their front office.

Your expectations about a Melo/Sexton backcourt seem a tad optimistic to me but to each their own.

I don't see what the Sexton trade has to do with Gafford at all. There is no relationship.

Do you believe that Utah's first call involving Sexton was to inquire about the possibility of taking back Nurkic and paying a second for the privilege? I'm guessing that was like 99 on the call sheet.

I'm suggesting that the Jazz likely talked to a bunch of teams, including Dallas, and that if Gafford for Sexton was on the table, they take that deal a flip Gafford. It wasn't offered. The Jazz took the best deal or close to it.

I don't think a stand alone deal explains the exchange. I can't reconcile Suns paying to move Nurkic only for the Jazz (who already had Kessler & Filipowski) to pay to take on Nurkic.

So I don’t use that exchange as an indicator of Sexton's value.

I believe the Hornets leveraged Ace Bailey, but chose not to submit this portion of the agreement before shopping Mark Williams (and trading him later in the draft).

I can't stress enough how valuable Sexton is to providing relief for LaMelo off the ball. Hornets needed Sexton. Jazz did not need Nurkic. And certainly wouldn't pay to acquire a player some other team just paid to unload.

And I wouldn't diminish the importance of Sexton to LaMelo and to the offense, based on what he returned in a trade.

Hornets didn't just luck out here. They leveraged draft capital.

Sexton is worth more to the Hornets than Gafford. Dallas fans are barking up the wrong tree here.

I predict we will extend Sexton.

Edit: and it almost feels like Hornets stole Sexton from teams pursuing him, but rather than concede defeat, fans of those teams are devaluing him.

If the Hornets stole him I say tough ****.

[jbk1234]

I don't see what the Sexton trade has to do with Gafford at all. There is no relationship.

Do you believe that Utah's first call involving Sexton was to inquire about the possibility of taking back Nurkic and paying a second for the privilege? I'm guessing that was like 99 on the call sheet.

I'm suggesting that the Jazz likely talked to a bunch of teams, including Dallas, and that if Gafford for Sexton was on the table, they take that deal a flip Gafford. It wasn't offered. The Jazz took the best deal or close to it.

I don't think a stand alone deal explains the exchange. I can't reconcile Suns paying to move Nurkic only for the Jazz (who already had Kessler & Filipowski) to pay to take on Nurkic.

So I don’t use that exchange as an indicator of Sexton's value.

I believe the Hornets leveraged Ace Bailey, but chose not to submit this portion of the agreement before shopping Mark Williams (and trading him later in the draft).

I can't stress enough how valuable Sexton is to providing relief for LaMelo off the ball. Hornets needed Sexton. Jazz did not need Nurkic. And certainly wouldn't pay to acquire a player some other team just paid to unload.

And I wouldn't diminish the importance of Sexton to LaMelo and to the offense, based on what he returned in a trade.

Hornets didn't just luck out here. They leveraged draft capital.

Sexton is worth more to the Hornets than Gafford. Dallas fans are barking up the wrong tree here.

I predict we will extend Sexton.

Edit: and it almost feels like Hornets stole Sexton from teams pursuing him, but rather than concede defeat, fans of those teams are devaluing him.

If the Hornets stole him I say tough ****.

The explanation I'd buy is that Klutch pushed to get him to Charlotte on an expiring contract because other trade partners wanted Sexton as a sixth man, Sexton doesn't see himself that way, and wants to get paid. Now that push can only devalue a player's worth so much, and Sexton had been reported to be on the trade market at least 3 times since the Mitchell trade, so I don't buy that the Hornets *stole* him.

It was a good trade for the Hornets and if things go well, they should extend him. If they don't, they picked up draft capital for a guy they might be able to trade again at the deadline.

[MasterIchiro]

Do you believe that Utah's first call involving Sexton was to inquire about the possibility of taking back Nurkic and paying a second for the privilege? I'm guessing that was like 99 on the call sheet.

I'm suggesting that the Jazz likely talked to a bunch of teams, including Dallas, and that if Gafford for Sexton was on the table, they take that deal a flip Gafford. It wasn't offered. The Jazz took the best deal or close to it.

I don't think a stand alone deal explains the exchange. I can't reconcile Suns paying to move Nurkic only for the Jazz (who already had Kessler & Filipowski) to pay to take on Nurkic.

So I don’t use that exchange as an indicator of Sexton's value.

I believe the Hornets leveraged Ace Bailey, but chose not to submit this portion of the agreement before shopping Mark Williams (and trading him later in the draft).

I can't stress enough how valuable Sexton is to providing relief for LaMelo off the ball. Hornets needed Sexton. Jazz did not need Nurkic. And certainly wouldn't pay to acquire a player some other team just paid to unload.

And I wouldn't diminish the importance of Sexton to LaMelo and to the offense, based on what he returned in a trade.

Hornets didn't just luck out here. They leveraged draft capital.

Sexton is worth more to the Hornets than Gafford. Dallas fans are barking up the wrong tree here.

I predict we will extend Sexton.

Edit: and it almost feels like Hornets stole Sexton from teams pursuing him, but rather than concede defeat, fans of those teams are devaluing him.

If the Hornets stole him I say tough ****.

The explanation I'd buy is that Klutch pushed to get him to Charlotte on an expiring contract because other trade partners wanted Sexton as a sixth man, Sexton doesn't see himself that way, and wants to get paid. Now that push can only devalue a player's worth so much, and Sexton had been reported to be on the trade market at least 3 times since the Mitchell trade, so I don't buy that the Hornets *stole* him.

It was a good trade for the Hornets and if things go well, they should extend him. If they don't, they picked up draft capital for a guy they might be able to trade again at the deadline.

I do worry they would flip him at the deadline, but we definitely needed to relieve LaMelo, so adding an established playmaker was a priority. Going without one and seeing how it diminished the whole functioning of the offense, I believe we value him as a potential longterm asset.

I don't subscribe to the logic that because Gafford > Nurkic, that Gafford > Sexton for the Hornets.

Sexton has been super involved since arriving, started 60+ times last season. He is an established starter. If his agent brought him to Charlotte, there's likely mutual interest given team needs.

I still don't understand the plan for center, and was confused by the team trading Mark Williams twice after trading Richards, then dumping Nurkic.

I definitely don't believe we acquired Sexton as a way to match for a center. I believe 100% he's here as a vet leader who can help optimize the value of LaMelo. I think the trend of backcourts is two primary playmakers who can share duties and keep a defense guessing. And like I said, Sexton can get downhill better than any Hornet on the roster, another reason I believe he was targeted as a longterm asset.

Fans are talking about Kon like Knueppel will start on day 1 or by AS break. If Sexton is indeed a longterm asset here, Kon will spend his first 3-4 seasons playing from the bench. He is smart with the ball, but can't be ask to run the show whenever LaMelo needs a blow.

We targeted playmaking in the first round, taking Kon and Liam McNeeley. Sexton fits that strategy.

If some team needs playmaking in their backcourt right now, they should not waste their time shopping in Charlotte.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, Utah openly shopped Sexton for a long time… While I do think it was part of the draft night deal, it doesn’t make Sexton more valuable than he is, if he was - he probably would’ve been traded in last 12 months..

But realistically, Dallas has DLO as the bandaid until Kyrie is back. And that’s not good.. but it’s still there. The motivation for Sexton died down due to Dallas’ bad decisions. The need is lessened.

Still would do Gaff/Sexton, but think with DLO on the roster - the next guard target should be someone that will play better Witnie than Sexton would.

[Texas Chuck]

Guess I'm the only person who isn't buying that the Sexton trade was part of an agreement to get them to draft Kon. Especially not since the only explanation why it wasn't done prior to the picks being made is because it gave Charlotte leverage in a Mark Williams deal which sorry is laughable on the surface. Not one team was thinking we better offer more for Williams because Charlotte has Nurkic to fall back on lol.

I think Charlotte said we don't want to draft this guy who we don't have all the info we want on and who doesn't want to be here. I think they honestly felt like Kon was the best choice from them.

Because sorry a Sexton+ 2nd/Nurkic swap is nothing. Taking your second choice instead of your first to make that deal would be so incredibly dumb. And I've been higher than Sexton than just about everyone for years now. But he's not a guy you move back at the top of the draft for.

Just not buying that.

[MasterIchiro]

Yeah, Utah openly shopped Sexton for a long time… While I do think it was part of the draft night deal, it doesn’t make Sexton more valuable than he is, if he was - he probably would’ve been traded in last 12 months..

But realistically, Dallas has DLO as the bandaid until Kyrie is back. And that’s not good.. but it’s still there. The motivation for Sexton died down due to Dallas’ bad decisions. The need is lessened.

Still would do Gaff/Sexton, but think with DLO on the roster - the next guard target should be someone that will play better Witnie than Sexton would.

This is the right perspective.

The Mavs ended their search for backcourt help with DLo and I guess(?) didn't attempt to use Gafford to get Sexton as surely Ainge would've jumped at that value since Gafford > Nurkic.

Hornets still need a center, which indicates Sexton was a target because they gave up a center for him.

Multiple additions addressed the priority on playmaking: Sexton, Kon, McNeeley, Dinwiddie, Tre Mann, even Plumlee.

We are adding playmaking here, not subtracting it.

So Dallas moved on, settled on DLo.

I'd want a first round pick for Sexton because I believe he's that important to the Hornets offense. I'm not saying he's worth that and I don't care if fans get their titties in a twist over it.

I'm just not listening on him after suffering through a season where Micic was used as a secondary playmaker alongside LaMelo, and Josh Green was asked to handle the ball. Countless other terrible players not qualified to run offense.

Sexton put up .593 TS. For a playmaking guard, can't ask much more than that. And he's still just 26.

[jbk1234]

Guess I'm the only person who isn't buying that the Sexton trade was part of an agreement to get them to draft Kon. Especially not since the only explanation why it wasn't done prior to the picks being made is because it gave Charlotte leverage in a Mark Williams deal which sorry is laughable on the surface. Not one team was thinking we better offer more for Williams because Charlotte has Nurkic to fall back on lol.

I think Charlotte said we don't want to draft this guy who we don't have all the info we want on and who doesn't want to be here. I think they honestly felt like Kon was the best choice from them.

Because sorry a Sexton+ 2nd/Nurkic swap is nothing. Taking your second choice instead of your first to make that deal would be so incredibly dumb. And I've been higher than Sexton than just about everyone for years now. But he's not a guy you move back at the top of the draft for.

Just not buying that.

You're definitely not the only person who disbelieves that Charlotte and Utah agreed to a secret trade that didn't need to be secret. I think Klutch wanted Sexton in Charlotte and that contract/role expectations further suppressed his trade market is the most likely scenario.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, Utah openly shopped Sexton for a long time… While I do think it was part of the draft night deal, it doesn’t make Sexton more valuable than he is, if he was - he probably would’ve been traded in last 12 months..

But realistically, Dallas has DLO as the bandaid until Kyrie is back. And that’s not good.. but it’s still there. The motivation for Sexton died down due to Dallas’ bad decisions. The need is lessened.

Still would do Gaff/Sexton, but think with DLO on the roster - the next guard target should be someone that will play better Witnie than Sexton would.

This is the right perspective.

The Mavs ended their search for backcourt help with DLo and I guess(?) didn't attempt to use Gafford to get Sexton as surely Ainge would've jumped at that value since Gafford > Nurkic.

Hornets still need a center, which indicates Sexton was a target because they gave up a center for him.

Multiple additions addressed the priority on playmaking: Sexton, Kon, McNeeley, Dinwiddie, Tre Mann, even Plumlee.

We are adding playmaking here, not subtracting it.

So Dallas moved on, settled on DLo.

I'd want a first round pick for Sexton because I believe he's that important to the Hornets offense. I'm not saying he's worth that and I don't care if fans get their titties in a twist over it.

I'm just not listening on him after suffering through a season where Micic was used as a secondary playmaker alongside LaMelo, and Josh Green was asked to handle the ball. Countless other terrible players not qualified to run offense.

Sexton put up .593 TS. For a playmaking guard, can't ask much more than that. And he's still just 26.

I’ll keep going back to if Sexton was worth a lot, Utah would’ve traded him last year.. Not saying anything about the draft night traded just on Sexton’s actual value with things we know.

He didn’t gain value from the deadline to the draft.

I don’t even recall/know if Dallas actually called for Sexton before Utah traded him. The fan base was just really desperate for playmaking after watching Naji and Brandon Williams…

We posted Simons, Sexton, Coby,..could extend that list to include Reaves, RJ, Ayo, Vassell, Keyonte George… we tried anything..

just about all of the one-way guards some better than others obviously. Because they typically do not have a lot of value and Dallas is asset poor so we went for the bargain bins.

Dallas settled with DLo for free versus paying for one of them. Better than some, likely worse than most.

I think the deal between these two teams is Gafford for the worst of Mem/Orlando first, nothing to do with Sexton.