Around The NBA : 2024-25 Offseason

[CROBulls]

Lost a lot working for ESPN hopefully he gets back to his old self.

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Well he got a money from ESPN. Now he can do what he wants. He is doing his early Griffin from Berserk . Selling himself first to make something for himself. Dislike those guys. But hey good for him.

A bit more like Rachel from Tower of God.

Never had time to read that book. But will be on my list

[kodo]

Does Doug get any of this money?

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MPJ sharing some of what he's excited about now that he's in Brooklyn, including a training facility with more than one court

Porter Jr. appreciated the fact that his new practice facility has dual basketball courts, whereas the Nuggets do not, according to the seven-year veteran.

“I’m just glad y’all got two courts, man. Because over there [in Denver] we had the one court.”

source: https://sports.yahoo.com/article/nets-michael-porter-jr-takes-161326761.html?guccounter=1


The Reddit comments on the article are pretty funny.

It's not even a separate practice facility, it's just a court in the basement of their arena

Their owner fined Christian Braun for parking in his dedicated parking spot (based off cctv footage, Braun didn't even block him from parking there)

The nuggets practice court for anyone curious - https://cdn.nba.com/teams/legacy/www.nba.com/nuggets/sites/nuggets/files/img_0202websize_0.jpg

[kodo]

Mikal Bridges (17/3/3) at $38M per year. Seems like a good deal.

[Hangtime84]

Mikal Bridges (17/3/3) at $38M per year. Seems like a good deal.

I feel like he absolutely trash last season. But I’m appreciative guys who take pay cuts for their teammates.

[kodo]

I feel like he absolutely trash last season. But I’m appreciative guys who take pay cuts for their teammates.

He's definitely a 3rd option, but that's what 3rd options get paid on teams taking the playoffs seriously. Garland gets $40M. PG13 $51M. Suggs $35M.

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I feel like he absolutely trash last season. But I’m appreciative guys who take pay cuts for their teammates.

He's definitely a 3rd option, but that's what 3rd options get paid on teams taking the playoffs seriously. Garland gets $40M. PG13 $51M. Suggs $35M.

Living in NY area, I watch the Knicks as my 2nd team (sorry). IMO, Bridges on that team illustrates a problem with having unbalanced rosters. Bridges, again IMO, is a 2nd option scorer, but when he came to the Knicks, his role became minimized to be tied with OG for being the 3rd/4th option. Point being that after 2 scorers, the rest of your guys need to be more glue guys and/or defenders. Both OG and Bridges are 2-way players (although Bridges less so) so the Knicks still looked decent. On Bridges, he definitely seemed used to having more plays run for him...Also, IIRC, he complained that Thibbs was overplaying guys (and asking him to do more than he was used to on defense).

So my point on the Bulls is that adding another offensive player like a Kuminga (even just keeping Vuc) has diminishing returns and likely even a negative impact on winning.

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Interesting article on CBA and impact on mid-level players

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45862506/nba-free-agency-fact-fiction-cba-impact-end-bonuses

[kodo]

Interesting article on CBA and impact on mid-level players

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45862506/nba-free-agency-fact-fiction-cba-impact-end-bonuses

I don't really think it's the 2nd apron and more the fact that sign & trade and extension is how players get new contracts now, not free agency. No teams are willing to let a good much less great player just walk out for nothing, they'll always move in a trade even if it's just filler and some 2nd rounders coming back. Heck, even Lauri Markkanen at his lowest value got a protected 1st round pick for us. If someone actually is let go by a team with no interest from the other 29 teams, free agency buyers beware (eg, Paul George).

Bulls will be one of the biggest FA cap space teams in 2026, so we'll see how going with the old massive cap space strategy works for AK. I'm not hopeful.

[sco]

Interesting article on CBA and impact on mid-level players

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45862506/nba-free-agency-fact-fiction-cba-impact-end-bonuses

I don't really think it's the 2nd apron and more the fact that sign & trade and extension is how players get new contracts now, not free agency. No teams are willing to let a good much less great player just walk out for nothing, they'll always move in a trade even if it's just filler and some 2nd rounders coming back. Heck, even Lauri Markkanen at his lowest value got a protected 1st round pick for us. If someone actually is let go by a team with no interest from the other 29 teams, free agency buyers beware (eg, Paul George).

Bulls will be one of the biggest FA cap space teams in 2026, so we'll see how going with the old massive cap space strategy works for AK. I'm not hopeful.

First, I think the best big move is at the deadline with all of the picks and expirings we could throw into a deal if the right guy comes into play.

Even if we have cap space, we can use it to take on a bad contract or two in exchange for a couple picks and or young players.

[boozapalooza]

Really is a players league if Deaaron Fox can force a trade to his preferred spot and land a 4/230 max extension.

There could be Bulls/Coby ramifications here. If Coby becomes a 25ppg guy / all star this year, I’m sure he won’t seem himself as being that far off from Fox. Fox has made 1 all star game in his career. Does have a better defensive rep as he led the league in steals in 2023-2024 but is still not a lockdown defender.

I don’t like this signing at all by SA. You already have Castle/Harper. Paying Fox $50-60Ms a year is pretty crazy.

[Red Larrivee]

Bulls board: Is Coby worth 25M?

Spurs: Is Fox worth 60M and 2 firsts?

[kodo]

Really is a players league if Deaaron Fox can force a trade to his preferred spot and land a 4/230 max extension.

There could be Bulls/Coby ramifications here. If Coby becomes a 25ppg guy / all star this year, I’m sure he won’t seem himself as being that far off from Fox. Fox has made 1 all star game in his career. Does have a better defensive rep as he led the league in steals in 2023-2024 but is still not a lockdown defender.

I don’t like this signing at all by SA. You already have Castle/Harper. Paying Fox $50-60Ms a year is pretty crazy.

It's a creator's league, and Coby can create. Desmond Bane was traded for 5 unprotected 1st round picks and the Magic are thrilled w/ the deal, and I don't think he's that different than White. 20 ppg, good but below 40% 3P shooter, not a big playmaker (5 apg).

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Really is a players league if Deaaron Fox can force a trade to his preferred spot and land a 4/230 max extension.

There could be Bulls/Coby ramifications here. If Coby becomes a 25ppg guy / all star this year, I’m sure he won’t seem himself as being that far off from Fox. Fox has made 1 all star game in his career. Does have a better defensive rep as he led the league in steals in 2023-2024 but is still not a lockdown defender.

I don’t like this signing at all by SA. You already have Castle/Harper. Paying Fox $50-60Ms a year is pretty crazy.

It's a creator's league, and Coby can create. Desmond Bane was traded for 5 unprotected 1st round picks and the Magic are thrilled w/ the deal, and I don't think he's that different than White. 20 ppg, good but below 40% 3P shooter, not a big playmaker (5 apg).

I think a big differences between Fox/Bane and White is that both of the other guys have demonstrated their offensive capabilities for more than a partial season...also, both of the other guys have demonstrated an ability to defend at an above average level. At least on the first point, Coby will have a chance to show that his year-end numbers weren't a fluke...if somehow Coby showed materially better defense, he'd be a worth the MAX.

Getting back on my get rid of Vuc soapbox, the reason it is so important to me is that Vuc makes everyone look worse on defense because they all need to hedge off their man to help protect the paint. Having a competent defender out there with the starters would give us an objective view of Coby's defense before we need to pay the man.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Bulls board: Is Coby worth 25M?

Spurs: Is Fox worth 60M and 2 firsts?

I dont know man. I think the NBA system is broken.I dont even know if the league can even reel things back in order.

Im afraid the league just backs themselves into a corner.

Fox might slip in as a top 25 player at best.

So as far as an NBA agent goes, I 100% get it.

You cant tell me Coby is only worth 20-25 mil a year and Fox worth 57. The math aint mathing.

The system is broke that a Fox would make the same as Lebron, Steph or Luka. Its broken that Jalen Brown makes more than them at 60m.

So in the case of Gidey, you blame the Magic for giving Suggs 30 mil. You blame the Raptors for giving IQ 32 mil. Its hard to justify Giddey accepting 20 mil.

I just hate it all.

[sco]

Bulls board: Is Coby worth 25M?

Spurs: Is Fox worth 60M and 2 firsts?

I dont know man. I think the NBA system is broken.I dont even know if the league can even reel things back in order.

Im afraid the league just backs themselves into a corner.

Fox might slip in as a top 25 player at best.

So as far as an NBA agent goes, I 100% get it.

You cant tell me Coby is only worth 20-25 mil a year and Fox worth 57. The math aint mathing.

The system is broke that a Fox would make the same as Lebron, Steph or Luka. Its broken that Jalen Brown makes more than them at 60m.

So in the case of Gidey, you blame the Magic for giving Suggs 30 mil. You blame the Raptors for giving IQ 32 mil. Its hard to justify Giddey accepting 20 mil.

I just hate it all.

I think the system is flawed, but there is negotiable logic behind the guys you mention. Guys who are allstars and still in their prime get MAX deals, which Fox qualifies for. Guys who are allstars in teams that win titles and who qualify for SUPERMAX's get that deal. The alternative is losing your guy for nothing.

The Coby problem is one of his performing at a middling starting guard level for last season, and closer to an allstar level for the very questionable post-ASG stretch. The good news on Coby is that he'll have this season to prove his value, and if he does, AK will pay him $35-$40M and he'll likely stay. That situation is preferable to the Giddey situation, but at least we have the restricted status to keep his number down. IMO, Coby is more likely to revert to his full-year averages for last year than perform at the inflated ones, and I'd rather have him leave than pay him for that questionable level of performance. That said, I'm rooting for him to return to his improved numbers and pay him...win/win.

[kodo]

Bulls board: Is Coby worth 25M?

Spurs: Is Fox worth 60M and 2 firsts?

I dont know man. I think the NBA system is broken.I dont even know if the league can even reel things back in order.

Im afraid the league just backs themselves into a corner.

Fox might slip in as a top 25 player at best.

So as far as an NBA agent goes, I 100% get it.

You cant tell me Coby is only worth 20-25 mil a year and Fox worth 57. The math aint mathing.

The system is broke that a Fox would make the same as Lebron, Steph or Luka. Its broken that Jalen Brown makes more than them at 60m.

So in the case of Gidey, you blame the Magic for giving Suggs 30 mil. You blame the Raptors for giving IQ 32 mil. Its hard to justify Giddey accepting 20 mil.
I just hate it all.

It's not that 30M for Suggs or 32M for IQ is because those teams think they are franchise cornerstones. It's that to teams serious about the playoffs $30M is not a lot of money. No Magic or Toronto fan is telling you IQ or Suggs is their cornerstone over Banchero/Wagner/Barnes. Those guys make $46M.

Toronto gave Jakob Poeltl $25M per year long term as a completely replaceable player.

It's one thing for AK to sit at the table and say Suggs & IQ are much better than Giddey, but when he says Jakob Poeltl is much better than Giddey than as his agent I'm walking out and taking the QO. Then Giddey doesn't get paid for another year, and Chicago 99% loses their best asset possibly with White next year. Everyone loses so the Reinsdorfs can pocket a little more money. Great.

[MrSparkle]

I get it. There’s a difference between a Coby and Fox. You can’t rely on Coby for 82 games. He will play like a replacement player half the time. Whereas Fox, you have to scheme and keep a plan around him, cause he will get his spots every night.

That doesn’t mean he can beat the best teams or come close prime/MVP Shai, Curry, Paul, but there’s a threshold he passed where you get all-star production every single night on a playoff contender.

Zach too, albeit all you’re getting from him are those stats. Fox is less efficient scoring, but his knack for steals and playmaking makes him much more valuable. Ultimately, Zach always needed a defensive playmaker like Lonzo to play his best.

Coby’s issue is consistency. His end of the year PER always tells the story. He might have his all-star nights, but 15.5 PER for a high volume scoring guard is pretty damn mediocre. Especially considering his 8 week stretch as the #1 option.

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[WesPeace]

Bulls board: Is Coby worth 25M?

Spurs: Is Fox worth 60M and 2 firsts?

I dont know man. I think the NBA system is broken.I dont even know if the league can even reel things back in order.

Im afraid the league just backs themselves into a corner.

Fox might slip in as a top 25 player at best.

So as far as an NBA agent goes, I 100% get it.

You cant tell me Coby is only worth 20-25 mil a year and Fox worth 57. The math aint mathing.

The system is broke that a Fox would make the same as Lebron, Steph or Luka. Its broken that Jalen Brown makes more than them at 60m.

So in the case of Gidey, you blame the Magic for giving Suggs 30 mil. You blame the Raptors for giving IQ 32 mil. Its hard to justify Giddey accepting 20 mil.

I just hate it all.

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