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Post#1621 » by AirP. » Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:47 pm

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EvanZ wrote:Force him to take the QO.

Pretty much, but it likely won't happen. Unfortunately for Kuminga, I want to see this agent taught a huge lesson. A 3/82 request is hardly a backpedal at all. The first three years are the same as in a 4/112 offer.

I think at this point the agent has been taught a lesson so letting him take the QO not only hurts Kuminga's side but GS side also. It seems that GS only wants Kuminga back to either trade him as a positive asset or maybe just as likely just trade him as an expiring contract so they can add assets to his contract to bring in a better fit for the team.

Any S&T that GS does, does not mean those players brought back are staying long term, they could be repackaged with other assets to bring in better fits.

I do wonder if the FO has had some conversations with Curry about his thoughts of how long he wants to play basketball and there's a possiblity of another contract for Curry and this also is a calculation on Kuminga's future in GS.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1622 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:48 pm

statsman wrote:Sorry, I just jumped back into this before reading all of the posts. Are the numbers and contracts being discussed media conjecture, or are these words coming from the Warriors and the agent?


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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1623 » by AirP. » Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:48 pm

statsman wrote:Sorry, I just jumped back into this before reading all of the posts. Are the numbers and contracts being discussed media conjecture, or are these words coming from the Warriors and the agent?

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1624 » by xdrta+ » Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:54 pm

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whatisacenter wrote:Free JK

Just take a crappy return without salary ramifications.

Would that be the Saric/Carter offer from Sac?

Saric cannot be aggregated in a trade until January 13th. Thank God!


I think two months from the trade date, which would be September 13.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1625 » by DonaldSanders » Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:55 pm

statsman wrote:Sorry, I just jumped back into this before reading all of the posts. Are the numbers and contracts being discussed media conjecture, or are these words coming from the Warriors and the agent?


If it is not from Shams or Slater take it with a grain of salt.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1626 » by statsman » Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:56 pm

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eminence wrote:Would that be the Saric/Carter offer from Sac?

Saric cannot be aggregated in a trade until January 13th. Thank God!

I think two months from the trade date, which would be September 13.

Spotrac says January 13th for *aggregation* in a trade.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/15364/dario-saric

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1628 » by EvanZ » Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:06 pm

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EvanZ wrote:Force him to take the QO.

Pretty much, but it likely won't happen. Unfortunately for Kuminga, I want to see this agent taught a huge lesson. A 3/82 request is hardly a backpedal at all. The first three years are the same as in a 4/112 offer.

I think at this point the agent has been taught a lesson so letting him take the QO not only hurts Kuminga's side but GS side also. It seems that GS only wants Kuminga back to either trade him as a positive asset or maybe just as likely just trade him as an expiring contract so they can add assets to his contract to bring in a better fit for the team.

Any S&T that GS does, does not mean those players brought back are staying long term, they could be repackaged with other assets to bring in better fits.

I do wonder if the FO has had some conversations with Curry about his thoughts of how long he wants to play basketball and there's a possiblity of another contract for Curry and this also is a calculation on Kuminga's future in GS.


The S&T offers have been utter shite that GS doesn't want and don't have much value. I would take Devin Carter only if Sac throws in a lightly protected first round pick (say, top 5) or at least 2 second round picks. I would just take that deal to be done with this and get something.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1629 » by statsman » Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:09 pm

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AirP. wrote:
statsman wrote:Pretty much, but it likely won't happen. Unfortunately for Kuminga, I want to see this agent taught a huge lesson. A 3/82 request is hardly a backpedal at all. The first three years are the same as in a 4/112 offer.

I think at this point the agent has been taught a lesson so letting him take the QO not only hurts Kuminga's side but GS side also. It seems that GS only wants Kuminga back to either trade him as a positive asset or maybe just as likely just trade him as an expiring contract so they can add assets to his contract to bring in a better fit for the team.

Any S&T that GS does, does not mean those players brought back are staying long term, they could be repackaged with other assets to bring in better fits.
I do wonder if the FO has had some conversations with Curry about his thoughts of how long he wants to play basketball and there's a possiblity of another contract for Curry and this also is a calculation on Kuminga's future in GS.


The S&T offers have been utter shite that GS doesn't want and don't have much value. I would take Devin Carter only if Sac throws in a lightly protected first round pick (say, top 5) or at least 2 second round picks. I would just take that deal to be done with this and get something.

The problem for the Kings is if they aren't sending the Warriors much salary, and the Warriors not wanting to become hard capped at the 1st apron by taking too much, the Kings have to somehow open up salary on their roster. How much is Kuminga worth it to the Kings to do that?
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1630 » by AirP. » Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:17 pm

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AirP. wrote:
statsman wrote:Pretty much, but it likely won't happen. Unfortunately for Kuminga, I want to see this agent taught a huge lesson. A 3/82 request is hardly a backpedal at all. The first three years are the same as in a 4/112 offer.

I think at this point the agent has been taught a lesson so letting him take the QO not only hurts Kuminga's side but GS side also. It seems that GS only wants Kuminga back to either trade him as a positive asset or maybe just as likely just trade him as an expiring contract so they can add assets to his contract to bring in a better fit for the team.

Any S&T that GS does, does not mean those players brought back are staying long term, they could be repackaged with other assets to bring in better fits.

I do wonder if the FO has had some conversations with Curry about his thoughts of how long he wants to play basketball and there's a possiblity of another contract for Curry and this also is a calculation on Kuminga's future in GS.


The S&T offers have been utter shite that GS doesn't want and don't have much value. I would take Devin Carter only if Sac throws in a lightly protected first round pick (say, top 5) or at least 2 second round picks. I would just take that deal to be done with this and get something.


GS has time to get something done, especially if they have some handshake agreements with some free agents already. Don't take less on Kuminga because he's one of the few assets you're possibly going to be able to utilize to strengthen this team during the Curry era.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1632 » by vvoland » Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:21 pm

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Onus wrote:Why would he be worried about a no trade clause. Only terrible teams want him and he wants a place to showcase his talent. There's no way that's the sticking point in not signing that deal. Seriously a 1 year 22.5M offer is better than a 1 year 8M offer. He really going to throw away 14.5M to be petty?


I think the second part of that "a place to showcase his talents" is just conjecture. He wants a role and not to be buried on the bench behind a gui santos but the whole 1st option thing is just projection - he NEVER said that. Not wanting to get traded to the bulls, jazz, or hornets is pretty basic self-preservation.

At first, most of the board was pissed at JK for turning down 5/150 last summer. We then learned nothing was even offered from the dubs. Then, the board was upset JK was holding the team hostage and not accepting the fist offer thrown his way, which we all thought was 2/40. Now, it turns out, MDJ wants a team option in year 2 AND JK to waive the no-trade clause that accompanies all 2 year deal with an option. What's next, is MDJ going to ask JK to bend over and close his eyes for a few minutes?

Why do you call JK petty, in this situation? Because he's looking to get the best deal for himself in this objectively awful situation? I told you 2/48 probably gets it done, I should have clarified that the 2nd year would need to be fully guaranteed or a PO. I still think it gets done at that number - one that no one on this board would complain about, not even Evan. Sure, 1 yr at 22.5M is better than the QO. The 3/82 they offered to the dubs that keeps the TPMLE available is also a very reasonable offer. Aren't the warriors petty by not giving him that, locking him into a tradeable contract, and doing right by a player they've jerked around quite a bit? You think JK & co turn down 3/75 if their starting offer was 3/82?

You're projecting about 1st option.

He canvased the league for an offer and the jazz and hornets weren't interested. The only teams interested were the bulls, kings, suns, wizards. Yea those teams are terrible teams and he was willing to sign with any of them if they gave him an offer.

Petty because 1 year 22.5 million is more than 1 year 8 million. The only reason not to take the 1 year 22.5 M is because you're in your feelings. 3/82 is fair? haha you would want to give JK close to 30M a year.

It's telling that the warriors think JK could be hard to move at 22.5M a year.


Are you sure he was willing to sign with those teams? I haven't heard anything other than he was 'meeting with teams in vegas.' The fact that he wants to keep his NTC would indicate to me that the situation matters to him more than putting up empty stats on garbage teams.

Sure, 22.5M is more than 8. Again, why aren't the dubs the petty ones considering they're trying to get him to sign an offer I haven't seen a young player take (2 year deal with a TO in year 2 and waiving his NTC). If he was pat spencer, sure. He's already made 30M+, what's the rush in locking himself to this org and giving up any control of his future for 2 years?

I do not want to give JK 30m/yr. I just think his side saying they're interested in a 3/82 is reasonable, considering that contract starts at a number low enough for us to give horford the TPMLE. In fact, I imagine that contract doesn't get to the 3rd year as it's likely an option year, PO or TO, probably either get accepted.
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Post#1633 » by vvoland » Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:22 pm

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Pretty sure JK accepts the 2/45 is he can keep the NTC.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1634 » by xdrta+ » Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:25 pm

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statsman wrote:Saric cannot be aggregated in a trade until January 13th. Thank God!

I think two months from the trade date, which would be September 13.

Spotrac says January 13th for *aggregation* in a trade.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/15364/dario-saric

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I think that's a mistake/typo. I've seen them on Spotrac occasionally. The CBA is clear:
No player whose Player Contract was acquired pursuant to an Exception in the two (2) month period preceding the trade may be among the Traded Players whose Contracts are being aggregated....
(for example, if a player were traded to a Team pursuant to an Exception on November 20, 2023, then the player’s Contract could not be aggregated with any other Contract for purposes of a trade until January 20, 2024);
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Post#1635 » by statsman » Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:39 pm

In a S&T with the Suns, what the heck can they even offer to get the Warriors to the table?
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1636 » by vvoland » Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:47 pm

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I agree that letting it get to RFA was a mistake but, based on what slater said, it looks like that was gsw's choice.

I probably would trade JK + an frp for white but that's an impossibility so why ask?

I really don't think that small of a difference is so easily bridged. The FO seems to have a thing about winning the negotiation. They made dray and Iggy go get offers from other teams and, according to dray, didn't even match, much less exceed, what he was offered from mem(?). I think Iggy said something similar re: sac, iirc. Didn't Iggy or dray say that lacob was trying to get klay on a discount in '19 since he was injured and they thought about low-balling Steph on the most recent extension?

That 2/40 offer certainly makes sense from the team side, might even open up the NTMLE next summer but, if you're his agent, do you really need to run to sign it? Is it going away by sep 1 or even oct 1?

It’s only gsw choice if the ask is above what they’re willing. Like if jks ask was 15m gsw would’ve signed him. So it’s a 2 way street to go to rfa.

Because Ellis is essentially a lower tier white. So getting a white type player for jk should be something you’re into.

Dray and iggy were done by Myers and Myers conceded to their demands. 3M is not a bridge too far to come together when it really has no repercussion for the warriors to go up 3M.

Knowing that the warriors have the highest monetary value yes it would be in jk’s best interest to sign that deal. The warriors could always lower the offer to match what the other offers are, hell they could lower than what the other offers are and jk wouldn’t be able to negotiate for more since in order for another team to even make an offer at this point they would need to make moves to exceed their current offer which wouldn’t even guarantee that jk would be coming. Like for jk to sign with the kings he would have to accept the mle, or to sign with phx it would be even less. If those teams would want to up their offer they would have to trade off assets to even make a greater offer than the mle and then we could still match it and then they would be assed out of that asset. So yea it’s actually in jk’s best interest to take the best monetary offer that is available to him now before we lower our offer. But our front office wants to keep things amicable since they still do want jk back which is why they aren’t forcing the issue.


The emphasis I got from the news that it was the warriors asking for him to waive the NTC that's the sticking point, not the 45. They're offering him 45M over two years, he COUNTERED with 2/52 over those 2 years (and asked for a 3rd but I think he'd be happy to drop it and get to UFA earlier).

That's a $3.5M annual difference, IF they dropped the request about the NTC. When I said 2/46 gets it done, I certainly didn't mean he'd waive his NTC in a team option 2nd year.

That's probably why it's better to guarantee the entire 45M, as that removes the NTC as an option, unless expressly given by the team, i believe. I can see asking for it and playing a bit of hardball as it does give the team a bit of protection in year 2 but, in reality, you just need him tradeable anytime between now and Feb '27. a 2 year deal does that. I still think 46M is enough but sure, maybe it's 50M. As long as it allows them to sign Al, who cares, no?

The public negotiating is a terrible look, for both sides.
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Post#1637 » by Crives » Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:54 pm

statsman wrote:In a S&T with the Suns, what the heck can they even offer to get the Warriors to the table?


Grayson Allen
Grayson Allen + Richard’s
Oneale
Oneale + Richard’s

One second round pick
1st swap available

Allen might be able to be moved to a third team, he should have interest.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1638 » by DaHef » Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:57 pm

statsman wrote:In a S&T with the Suns, what the heck can they even offer to get the Warriors to the table?

How soon can Williams be traded?
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1639 » by statsman » Wed Jul 30, 2025 6:04 pm

Crives wrote:
statsman wrote:In a S&T with the Suns, what the heck can they even offer to get the Warriors to the table?

Grayson Allen
Grayson Allen + Richard’s
Oneale
Oneale + Richard’s

One second round pick
1st swap available

Allen might be able to be moved to a third team, he should have interest.

Grayson to the Warriors isn't happening. I see no realistic way for the Warriors to avoid a hard cap at the 1st apron, and Warriors owner Joe Lacob is not going to let that happen this season. Good luck trying to move him to a 3rd team, and that still doesn't answer the question of who the Warriors get back.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1640 » by statsman » Wed Jul 30, 2025 6:08 pm

DaHef wrote:
statsman wrote:In a S&T with the Suns, what the heck can they even offer to get the Warriors to the table?

How soon can Williams be traded?

I want to say 60 days from when he was acquired (June 30th; so August 29th) if his salary is aggregated with other salaries from the Suns. If traded alone, immediately.

EDIT: The above 60 day requirement appears to only apply for players acquired with an exception. Spotrac (which could be wrong) allows Williams to be aggregated in a trade now. But the Suns have a lot of salary to be moved to make this happen, and much of it can't go to the Warriors.

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