Official 2025 Offseason Thread 2.0

[Knightro]

If Vooch is bought out, I offer him our remaining MLE and trade Goga or even JI to the highest bidder. Vooch can still play and would have far less usage here while still being our best rebounder and shooting center.

How much can we offer? I thought we offered $7m to Tyus out of our available 7.something.

If I'm Vuc, I'm looking for a starting spot. He's still too good to be looking for such a limited role, imo (not to mention pennies). I don't really even understand why CHI would buy him out at this point, looking at their roster and it being Vuc's expiring year.

I'd love to have him...even as a starter with WCJ off the bench (and one of WCJ or Goga traded for some draft equity)

Come on now. It's literally in my original post

Exceptions Remaining
Non-Taxpayer Midlevel Exception: $7,104,000 (used $7,000,000 on Tyus Jones)
Biannual Exception: $5,134,000

Now the Magic can't use either one of these exceptions unless they clear out money to get further below the hard cap first apron, but they could do that by punting Jett or (more likely since they'd be bringing in Vooch) moving off Goga.

[cedric76]

If Vooch is bought out, I offer him our remaining MLE and trade Goga or even JI to the highest bidder. Vooch can still play and would have far less usage here while still being our best rebounder and shooting center.

How much can we offer? I thought we offered $7m to Tyus out of our available 7.something.

If I'm Vuc, I'm looking for a starting spot. He's still too good to be looking for such a limited role, imo (not to mention pennies). I don't really even understand why CHI would buy him out at this point, looking at their roster and it being Vuc's expiring year.

I'd love to have him...even as a starter with WCJ off the bench (and one of WCJ or Goga traded for some draft equity)

Come on now. It's literally in my original post

Exceptions Remaining
Non-Taxpayer Midlevel Exception: $7,104,000 (used $7,000,000 on Tyus Jones)
Biannual Exception: $5,134,000

Now the Magic can't use either one of these exceptions unless they clear out money to get further below the hard cap first apron, but they could do that by punting Jett or (more likely since they'd be bringing in Vooch) moving off Goga.

goga has value so he could be traded to a team that have a trade exception or Brooklyn that has cap space

[The Effect]

i would trade WC and sign vuc

Vuc\Mo\Goga would be a great center core and gives us options for different matchups

[SOUL]

i would trade WC and sign vuc

Vuc\Mo\Goga would be a great center core and gives us options for different matchups

This would turn us into a terrible defense that can't switch on the perimeter

[cedric76]

i would trade WC and sign vuc

Vuc\Mo\Goga would be a great center core and gives us options for different matchups

Why are people understanding WCJ s skills?

He is key to what we r building

[JoshuaPotter]

So how does a stat machine like Vooch not work out? Can someone explain? No. I don't want him back. I just want to talk about it a little bit.

[basketballRob]

The Magic are playing the Grizzlies in London on January 18th.

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[jezzerinho]

So how does a stat machine like Vooch not work out? Can someone explain? No. I don't want him back. I just want to talk about it a little bit.

In my opinion it's effort level that was Vuc's limiting factor.

Skill level of a star but effort, dedication to improvement, defence and leadership of a journeyman pro. Not lazy, but unwilling to go the extra mile to be great. Conditioning was never better than OK, commitment never higher than good.

He and Fournier were good pros, but they quickly got comfortable and found a mutually beneficial playstyle that kept their stats up and helped them both get paid more than advanced stats probably supported.

Not a personality fit for this Orlando roster, which is full of driven, high effort guys. His skill level would be very useful, esp if his deal is cheap, but you have to be aware that there's a team ethic downside with guys that look after no. 1.

[Optimus_Steel]

I wonder how many times Turner will talk about left-handed shooters when Jase is on the floor?

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As a fellow lefty, we are underrepresented

[Orlando Dawg]

Centers are supposed to play near the rim not the 3 point line.

Everytime Wendell (or Vuc) camps the 3 point line the team is playing loosing basketball.
And then Wendell can’t finish with someone on him at the rim he gets easily rejected.

[thelead]

i would trade WC and sign vuc

Vuc\Mo\Goga would be a great center core and gives us options for different matchups

This would turn us into a terrible defense that can't switch on the perimeter

1000%

I’m on board with bringing Vuc in on a vet minimum bench player to move off of some other money but the second we’re talking about him being a major contributor, I’m ALL the way out.

[Knightro]

I would absolutely take Vooch back if he got bought out and I would still very much be willing to play him regular rotation minutes off the bench as a scoring punch on the 2nd unit.

But realistically there's only room for one of him or Moe considering their skill sets kind of overlap (all offense, no defense/rim protection).

[zaymon]

Vuc is great but he is not worth losing Moe. He is also not a rim protector to play next to Paolo.

[RichCollab]

I would absolutely take Vooch back if he got bought out and I would still very much be willing to play him regular rotation minutes off the bench as a scoring punch on the 2nd unit.

But realistically there's only room for one of him or Moe considering their skill sets kind of overlap (all offense, no defense/rim protection).

Vooch needs to be the focus in two man action.

I prefer a more role player to pair if we are staggering the starting lineup.

Vooch needs players to fit around him. We have enough of those players.

But, if we move on from Moe and add Vooch. I’m running the second unit together and doing less staggering. Franz can play in any lineup so he could still play minutes with a second unit with Vooch.

1 on 1 offensive of player in a vacuum. Sure I take Vooch.

I am curious of the per36. Moe points up a ton of offense for the minutes he plays.

Moe’s energy and edge are important.

[KillMonger]

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[RichCollab]

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[KillMonger]

Paolo and CP3 runs....... Even in runs he still getting doubled

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[The Effect]

i would trade WC and sign vuc

Vuc\Mo\Goga would be a great center core and gives us options for different matchups

Why are people understanding WCJ s skills?

He is key to what we r building

What exactly does WC do well?

Hes undersized, isnt much of a rim protector, doesnt offer much on offense especially after his 3pt stopped falling this year and the one thing i though he would do well, rebounding, he doesnt even do that well. Even on a team with no quality rebounders he couldnt lead the team in rebound. Im sorry but when you have a team that cant rebound and your center only averages 7rbg, you need an upgrade

So i ask, explain it to me, what does exactly does WC do at an above average level

[SOUL]

WCJ isn't perfect by any means but people legit act like he wasn't our 26 MPG starting center on a top 2 defense in the league. Even though he isn't a rim protector, he allows for great switchability on the perimeter which nobody else on our team can do that well at the C position outside of Isaac (last year was iffy). His man defense is really solid, though, yeah, not a traditional rim protector. You have to assume he won't be worst in the league horrible in spot up threes next year since he was good the year before.

He's a weird rebounder in that he's not dominant but we more often than not come up with defensive rebounds with him on the floor. We were tied for first in defensive rebounding percentage with the Clippers, (average on offensive rebounds like 15-17). So saying we're a bad rebounding team isn't exactly true. We had very low raw rebounding numbers because of our slow pace.

Someone like Poeltl is better than him currently right now but he's not too, too far behind in terms of being just like a solid defensive center that will never be a star but also isn't the worst thing since sliced bread that some people act like. His injury concerns are real though.

[cedric76]

i would trade WC and sign vuc

Vuc\Mo\Goga would be a great center core and gives us options for different matchups

Why are people understanding WCJ s skills?

He is key to what we r building

What exactly does WC do well?

Hes undersized, isnt much of a rim protector, doesnt offer much on offense especially after his 3pt stopped falling this year and the one thing i though he would do well, rebounding, he doesnt even do that well. Even on a team with no quality rebounders he couldnt lead the team in rebound. Im sorry but when you have a team that cant rebound and your center only averages 7rbg, you need an upgrade

So i ask, explain it to me, what does exactly does WC do at an above average level

Switchability on the perimeter and floor spacing, perfect fit next to P5 + Franz and Bane