Around the NBA 2024-25 - In Our Offseason, Vol. 1

[thebuzzardman]

Brunson pretty high on the list for a selfish guy who wrecked the Knicks offense all year or so I was told

[3toheadmelo]

I am going to come at you with facts. Only 7 Knicks players played 18 games in the playoffs. Out of those 7 players, 6 of them shot 33.3% to 37.3% from the 3pt line. The only player among the 7 who couldn't shoot threes was Mitch.

Beyond them, the next 3 players who played the most minutes were Payne (3pt threat during the season at 36.3%, but struggled in the playoffs), Shamet (shot 46.7% in the playoffs, shot 39.7% during the season), and Wright (33.3% for the Knicks during the season, so he could in fact shoot it even if he didn't hit them much in the playoffs)

After that you got Achiuwa which I said all season that Thibs would refuse to play him and Mitch together. Therefore, Achiuwa only got 3rd string Center minutes.

Everyone else on the Knicks did not get real minutes.

Then you bring up the Timberwolves. Bro, literally ELEVEN players for them in the playoffs shot 31.8% from three or better. The only guys who shot worse or didn't shot them at all were guys like Josh Minott and Jaylen Clark who played only 5 games each at 5-6 mpg, and Rudy Gobert. Therefore, the Timberwolves, just like the Knicks, had 4-5 guys at all times who could knock down a three.

Look both teams up on basketball reference. Numbers don't lie. Eye test watching the games does not apply here, no way.

Why do you think Bucks pulled a fast one and got Myles Turner? Because they know if you have Giannis, you HAVE TO put 4 3pt shooters around him at all times. Turner is 8 years younger than Lopez and is going to play the same role.

Your argument isn't making much sense to me tho. You're saying shooting 31% from 3 is good but AD that shot 29% from 3 means he isn't capable from 3? That doesn't make any sense to me because both numbers are absolutely terrible. So I'm not sure how you came up with the standard of 31% from 3 that means you're a knock down shooter from 3 but if you're shooting 29% you can't shoot anything, when 31% is extremely below average as a 3 point shooter. League average 3pt % this year was 36%. So anything below that, you're below average. The Timberwolves had 3 players in their starting lineup that shot below that average this season : Randle, McDaniels, Gobert and they went to the WCF. The Knicks had 2 players that shot below 36% in the starting lineup : Mikal, Josh hart and still went to the ECF. And Mikal/hart also openly passed up 3s as well which was even worse for our spacing, yet they still got to the ECF.

So if you really want to argue about shooting 29% and 31% then you're on your own about that because that's such a small difference and they're both very much below the league average either way so it doesn't make sense.

I am not saying 31% is good. You're still a threat that shouldn't be left open. Donte for instance shot the 31.8% but everyone knows he's a better shooter than what his percentage shows.

33% from three is the equivalent to 50% from two. A below average 3pt shooter in the NBA is still a 3pt shooter you can have on the floor. If you're in shooting in the 20's, you are among the lowest percentile of 3pt shooters in the NBA and a detriment to a team.

Post-bubble, AD has shot 25.7% from three in the regular season and 22.6% in the playoffs. That's literally over the course of 5 years. Does it have it in him to knock them down at a decent rate and not clog the paint alongside Gafford and Lively? The 15-18 footer ain't gonna cut it anymore, defenses are too advanced now for it to work anymore consistently.

AD has been mostly below average from mid-range in the last 5 years too from looking at his shot chart

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/anthony-davis-shot-chart-last-5-years

AD might be like Giannis, he needs to play alongside bigs who can knock down threes and stay away from the paint

Evan Mobley became a 37% 3 pt shooter, which allowed him to play alongside Jarrett Allen and WIN. They were going to have a hard time making it out of the first round without developing the three.

AD shot 29% from 3 this past season. It's just not much of a difference from 31% for it to be a real argument. Both numbers are really awful and incapable of being a true threat.

Evan Mobley is a pretty poor example if you want to talk about winning. Because the Cavs has been unable to get to the conference finals since Lebron left them. So no matter how good Mobley is from 3, it hasn't turned them into a championship contender.

[BKlutch]

Brunson pretty high on the list for a selfish guy shrimp who wrecked the Knicks offense all year or so I was told

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[Knick4Real]

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TWO KNICKS on the list.

THREE if Giannis comes to his senses, asks out, and demands KNICKS or bust!

[spree2kawhi]

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Is there a list for the West too? Asking for a friend…

[DaGawd]

joel embiid but no pascal siakam lol

[Capn'O]

joel embiid but no pascal siakam lol

For sure. Siakam should absolutely be on that list.

[Fat Kat]

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[BKlutch]

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The real question is what makes him believe this - is he on drugs, or is that they way he's always thought?

[MrDollarBills]

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The real question is what makes him believe this - is he on drugs, or is that they way he's always thought?

I think Herro, IQ and RJ are better overall players but it's not like Thomas should be paid substantially less than they are.

The Nets offer was way below market value for a guy that can give you 23 points or more a night at age 23. His problem is that his defense sucks and he doesn't know how to use his gravity on offense to create assists. Now can those things change? Sure, but i don't see him ever becoming a good defender, but there is zero reason why he shouldn't be averaging 6 asts a night with his level of talent. I'm not a fan of Cam per say, I think he enjoys the smell of his own farts, but that guy can flat out score at this level at a decent clip.

I think a fair market offer would be 22m per with incentives. If he thinks he's a better player than the three guys making 27 to 32 mil per, he's lying to himself. But 13m is not a fair offer.

[cgmw]

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The real question is what makes him believe this - is he on drugs, or is that they way he's always thought?

I think Herro, IQ and RJ are better overall players but it's not like Thomas should be paid substantially less than they are.

The Nets offer was way below market value for a guy that can give you 23 points or more a night at age 23. His problem is that his defense sucks and he doesn't know how to use his gravity on offense to create assists. Now can those things change? Sure, but i don't see him ever becoming a good defender, but there is zero reason why he shouldn't be averaging 6 asts a night with his level of talent. I'm not a fan of Cam per say, I think he enjoys the smell of his own farts, but that guy can flat out score at this level at a decent clip.

I think a fair market offer would be 22m per with incentives. If he thinks he's a better player than the three guys making 27 to 32 mil per, he's lying to himself. But 13m is not a fair offer.

The real issue is lack of hope. Unlike those other guys, there’s absolutely no hope for Cam to be anything better than a 1-dimensional high-usage scorer.

Will RJ or Quick prove otherwise? Maybe not, but they got paid because execs still have hope.

[GettinitDone]

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Has this been posted? lol

[spree2kawhi]

In reality he’s simply a far worse player than those guys.

[BKlutch]

The real question is what makes him believe this - is he on drugs, or is that they way he's always thought?

I think Herro, IQ and RJ are better overall players but it's not like Thomas should be paid substantially less than they are.

The Nets offer was way below market value for a guy that can give you 23 points or more a night at age 23. His problem is that his defense sucks and he doesn't know how to use his gravity on offense to create assists. Now can those things change? Sure, but i don't see him ever becoming a good defender, but there is zero reason why he shouldn't be averaging 6 asts a night with his level of talent. I'm not a fan of Cam per say, I think he enjoys the smell of his own farts, but that guy can flat out score at this level at a decent clip.

I think a fair market offer would be 22m per with incentives. If he thinks he's a better player than the three guys making 27 to 32 mil per, he's lying to himself. But 13m is not a fair offer.

The real issue is lack of hope. Unlike those other guys, there’s absolutely no hope for Cam to be anything better than a 1-dimensional high-usage scorer.

Will RJ or Quick prove otherwise? Maybe not, but they got paid because execs still have hope.

Agree with you - worse player, less upside, and definitely not as smart. So, even if what he gets is an underpayment, I won't feel sorry for him at all.
I wish I were stupid enough to get $13M or $16M/year.

[BKlutch]

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Has this been posted? lol

No, but it has been pisted.

FUNNY!

[Juco24]

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[MrDollarBills]

Big Perk compares what players have to deal with on social media today to the plight of Bill Russell and Black athletes of the Civil Rights era.


For context, Boston Celtics fans in the 60s literally took a sh*t in Bill Russell's bed.

[DaGawd]

spurs giving fox 229 mil is wild

[spree2kawhi]

spurs giving fox 229 mil is wild

Makes me think of how incredible Brunson is. Fox is good though.

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