Raptors Roster Fit and Cap Reset - Trade Concepts for Barrett, Ingram, Barnes

[Godaddycurse]

Ingram for Jerami Grant and Donovan Clingan?

Portland gets a major offensive boost and clarifies that the future at center is Yang. Toronto gets a younger player Poeltl can mentor.

I like Barrett for Allen/Richards for Toronto but hate it for Phoenix. Can you imagine watching Green and RJ on the same team? If they didn't have Green I would say go for it, so it isn't a value problem, just fit. I struggle with an RJ trade. Maybe the Kings would do DeRozan for RJ and Toronto can just jettison some of that money? Buyout DeRozan, maybe get some seconds from the Kings?

Quickley/Shead
Dick/Walter/Lawson
Agbaji/Battle/Barnes
Barnes/CMB/Mogbo
Poeltl/Clingan

If they can get something for Poeltl it is a reasonable young core to tank with and an okay long-term financial situation.

I think portland offers grant and picks if they were interested in said swap instead of clingan.

Wouldnt do it for Toronto though. Toronto is committed to poeltl/barnes/IQ for better or worse

[oldncreaky]

Ingram for Jerami Grant and Donovan Clingan?

Portland gets a major offensive boost and clarifies that the future at center is Yang. Toronto gets a younger player Poeltl can mentor.

I like Barrett for Allen/Richards for Toronto but hate it for Phoenix. Can you imagine watching Green and RJ on the same team? If they didn't have Green I would say go for it, so it isn't a value problem, just fit. I struggle with an RJ trade. Maybe the Kings would do DeRozan for RJ and Toronto can just jettison some of that money? Buyout DeRozan, maybe get some seconds from the Kings?

Quickley/Shead
Dick/Walter/Lawson
Agbaji/Battle/Barnes
Barnes/CMB/Mogbo
Poeltl/Clingan

If they can get something for Poeltl it is a reasonable young core to tank with and an okay long-term financial situation.

I think portland offers grant and picks if they were interested in said swap instead of clingan.

Wouldnt do it for Toronto though. Toronto is committed to poeltl/barnes/IQ for better or worse

On the POR-TOR deal: If the Yang kid leapfrogs Clingan and RWill is actually mobile/playable I could maybe see it -- POR has 4 Cs including Reath on the roster, and if Clingan drops to 3rd/4th in the depth chart it becomes a question of who/what POR wants to balance their roster. If I'm POR I'd also be concerned about the amount of creation/scoring in their line up, especially if Jrue shows his age, and Ingram does bring something they don't have.

As for the other trade, and the resulting TOR line-up without Barrett, yuck -- the best rim pressure would come from the backup PG (Shead) who still needs to learn how to control his TOs and prove he's a legit NBA rotation player, and if TOR sheds a bit of money in an Ingram trade there's zero reason to do it.

[Case2012]

What about Deni for Barnes or Barrett?

I would much rather have either long term and sell high on Deni.

I believe in Barrett and could see him having an all star season or 2.

[Godaddycurse]

What about Deni for Barnes or Barrett?

I would much rather have either long term and sell high on Deni.

I believe in Barrett and could see him having an all star season or 2.

you are on an island on this one i believe. Not even raptor fans would share your optimism on RJ

[oldncreaky]

What about Deni for Barnes or Barrett?

I would much rather have either long term and sell high on Deni.

I believe in Barrett and could see him having an all star season or 2.

you are on an island on this one i believe. Not even raptor fans would share your optimism on RJ

As probably the most pro RJB poster on TnT lately, yeah, I agree -- I don't think I'd want to give up the multiple FRPs necessary to turn Barrett into Deni

If POR wants to sell Deni high, it should be to a contender. OKC is just such an obvious fit

[One_and_Done]

What about Deni for Barnes or Barrett?

I would much rather have either long term and sell high on Deni.

I believe in Barrett and could see him having an all star season or 2.

Deni has gotten a bit overrated lately, but he's still more valuable than Barnes or RJ.

[tsherkin]

What about Deni for Barnes or Barrett?

I would much rather have either long term and sell high on Deni.

I believe in Barrett and could see him having an all star season or 2.

Barrett needs some pretty specific conditions to thrive. You need a real #1 ahead of him, and you need to constrain not only his shooting volume, but his shot locations. He's only efficient if all he ever does is shoot inside 10 feet and from three.

You take him outside of that sort of setup (such as he had immediately following the trade in 2024), and you get what you saw this past season... give or take him shooting 70% from the FT line and being a little less problematic.

You put him somewhere like Portland, and you're not getting an All-Star, you're getting a lot of box score numbers with weak efficiency. There's a way to use him properly, but it requires a LOT of conditions.

[JRoy]

What about Deni for Barnes or Barrett?

I would much rather have either long term and sell high on Deni.

I believe in Barrett and could see him having an all star season or 2.

Barrett is empty calories.

Barnes is a fine player but needs the ball in his hands and isn’t good enough to justify it.

[Godaddycurse]

What about Deni for Barnes or Barrett?

I would much rather have either long term and sell high on Deni.

I believe in Barrett and could see him having an all star season or 2.

Barrett is empty calories.

Barnes is a fine player but needs the ball in his hands and isn’t good enough to justify it.

i think that part isnt true. It's more so we had no one else to give the ball to in a tanking season and forced him and barrett to create when neither is well suited for it. he functions better as a connector/facilitator with Ingram and hopefully a healthy IQ taking over the self creation/ballhandling duties in the half court

[JRoy]

What about Deni for Barnes or Barrett?

I would much rather have either long term and sell high on Deni.

I believe in Barrett and could see him having an all star season or 2.

Barrett is empty calories.

Barnes is a fine player but needs the ball in his hands and isn’t good enough to justify it.

i think that part isnt true. It's more so we had no one else to give the ball to in a tanking season and forced him and barrett to create when neither is well suited for it. he functions better as a connector/facilitator with Ingram and hopefully a healthy IQ taking over the self creation/ballhandling duties in the half court

Hopefully a healthy season for all 3 will allow him to prove that.

[Norm2953]

Deni for Barnes would be an interesting trade

[Texas Chuck]

What about Deni for Barnes or Barrett?

I would much rather have either long term and sell high on Deni.

I believe in Barrett and could see him having an all star season or 2.

Deni has gotten a bit overrated lately, but he's still more valuable than Barnes or RJ.

He's not getting overrated. People talk about his game correctly. We also just realize that contract makes him ideally suited to go to contending teams because they can afford his contract without gutting his team.

Kinda the opposite of the Fox move you keep pimping as smart business.

[One_and_Done]

What about Deni for Barnes or Barrett?

I would much rather have either long term and sell high on Deni.

I believe in Barrett and could see him having an all star season or 2.

Deni has gotten a bit overrated lately, but he's still more valuable than Barnes or RJ.

He's not getting overrated. People talk about his game correctly. We also just realize that contract makes him ideally suited to go to contending teams because they can afford his contract without gutting his team.

Kinda the opposite of the Fox move you keep pimping as smart business.

Keeping promises is very smart.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Deni for Barnes would be an interesting trade

Deni Avdija is a great contract and very good Swiss army knife player but I think Barnes has more value. I have Barnes in that 20-25 range in terms of talent (closer to 25 than 20). The RJ Barrett for Dani is a no brainer for Toronto

[JRoy]

Deni for Barnes would be an interesting trade

Deni Avdija is a great contract and very good Swiss army knife player but I think Barnes has more value. I have Barnes in that 20-25 range in terms of talent (closer to 25 than 20). The RJ Barrett for Dani is a no brainer for Toronto

It’s an easy NO for POR.

[Van_Trump]

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/bulls-trade-pitch-sends-90-204447179.html

[oldncreaky]

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/bulls-trade-pitch-sends-90-204447179.html

The trade suggested in the link is

CHI: Patrick Williams (4yrs/$72M), Jevon Carter (1/$6.8M), first round pick
TOR: RJ Barrett (2yrs/$57.3M)

So, 3 unwanted players in one trade. Would I rather have Barrett at his salary, or Williams at his salary? I say Barrett because at least he can play and he will become an expiring contract next year, while Williams has got to be one of the most overpaid bench players in the league who will be clogging up someone's cap sheet for 4 more years.

For CHI: are you going to pony up a FRP for at most a minor bump this year plus getting off Williams? I don't think so because middling teams just shouldn't be trading away FRPs in an attempt to make the play-in.

For TOR: The trade does get TOR below the tax line this year, and Carter could be cut without issue. But assuming there are protections on the pick (gotta have protections, right?) this trade only makes sense if the Raptors are sold on both Agbaji and Dick as long term pieces, as well as TOR being willing to take on Williams contract. I think the alternative of trading either Dick or Agbaji for $1M less in salary coming back is just much more realistic.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Like I mentioned in another thread, the trade value of the Raptor players is suppressed because the team was tanking and was sub .500. Very little minutes for the projected starting 5 and that was before Ingram came into the program.

I’m fairly certain proposals like Deni for Barnes will be laughable in time come irregardless of contract disparity.

I’d be more inclined to take some of these proposals seriously if Toronto actually gets to play their starters for most of the year and they stink the way people imply they do. I don’t think Toronto fields any trade offers till the deadline with a concerted effort to actually win to help flip the perception of some of their guys

[wegotthabeet]

Like I mentioned in another thread, the trade value of the Raptor players is suppressed because the team was tanking and was sub .500. Very little minutes for the projected starting 5 and that was before Ingram came into the program.

I’m fairly certain proposals like Deni for Barnes will be laughable in time come irregardless of contract disparity.

I’d be more inclined to take some of these proposals seriously if Toronto actually gets to play their starters for most of the year and they stink the way people imply they do. I don’t think Toronto fields any trade offers till the deadline with a concerted effort to actually win to help flip the perception of some of their guys

The Barnes disrespect here is next level, but honestly almost no one (fans, media) outside of Toronto really watch the Raptors like that. They maybe watch them when they play their team, but that's it. No context or understanding of circumstances.

I expect Scottie to make a huge leap in year 5. Maybe I'm the delusional one, time will tell, but I wouldn't even be mildly surprised if he's all NBA next year. Not first team all NBA, but I expect him to at least be in serious consideration for 3rd team, if not outright make it. We'll see.

[zimpy27]

Like I mentioned in another thread, the trade value of the Raptor players is suppressed because the team was tanking and was sub .500. Very little minutes for the projected starting 5 and that was before Ingram came into the program.

I’m fairly certain proposals like Deni for Barnes will be laughable in time come irregardless of contract disparity.

I’d be more inclined to take some of these proposals seriously if Toronto actually gets to play their starters for most of the year and they stink the way people imply they do. I don’t think Toronto fields any trade offers till the deadline with a concerted effort to actually win to help flip the perception of some of their guys

The Barnes disrespect here is next level, but honestly almost no one (fans, media) outside of Toronto really watch the Raptors like that. They maybe watch them when they play their team, but that's it. No context or understanding of circumstances.

I expect Scottie to make a huge leap in year 5. Maybe I'm the delusional one, time will tell, but I wouldn't even be mildly surprised if he's all NBA next year. Not first team all NBA, but I expect him to at least be in serious consideration for 3rd team, if not outright make it. We'll see.

I think we all watch Raptors as much as any team that isn't our own. We follow the trades and player performance.

I think you just believe more in what the players aren't yet showing than what we do.