Kwame Brown Anhilates Tracy McGrady

[bovice]

i think he makes a valid point. i love tmac, smooth af and fun to watch. people make these comparisons like what if X player had Y's roster he would win too but there's a mental element that's missing in those comparisons. Lillard never had a contending roster around him but he has a winners mindset. Garnett never had the results in minnesota but you could tell he had it as well. I don't think a player like paul george or melo have it. you could put a perfect roster around them but it's not a guarantee you'd win w/ em

[Rainwater]

I just don’t understand this thread. There was literally a debate in the early 2000s who was better T-Mac or Kobe. Hell, there was a debate if you put any all star wing next to Shaq back in day the lakers would still win titles. Mind you this was before the decline of T-Mac and Kobe title runs without Shaq. I just don’t know how these takes have become so controversial since Kobe has passed. And the funny thing Kobe and T-Mac were friends, they spoke about their rivalry when Kobe was alive. It seems like fans dislike T-Mac more than Kobe ever did.

There were hot takes but I don't think there were legitimate debates. Especially since shaq had a great wing im Penny and won nothing. T mac had a great teammate in Yao did nothing. T mac was a great player but I don't see him replicating anything Kobe did for those chip teams.

T-Mac vs Kobe was definitely a debate in early 2000s. We are taking about T-Mac's Magic days here not his days in Houston. By T-Mac's Houston days, Kobe had clearly surpassed T-Mac and wasn't much of debate. When Kobe and T-Mac, the players themselves, are literally taking about their rivalry as being real, I just don't understand why fans can't admit this as being true. And Shaq in his prime playing beside any star wing was also a conversation, I just don't understand the change in history.

[SkyBill40]

What is this point of this?

There really isn't one. That's the real point or so it seems.

[Rainwater]

I hope TMac doesn't respond.

Tmac shouldn’t have talked like that about the deceased. It was classless

The narratives being spread are beyond wild; he said nothing that wasn't said before Kobe's death. Why are people pretending this rivalry never existed? Kobe and T-Mac literally sat down and spoke about it. They were freaking friends, T-Mac lived in Kobes house for god sakes. This is wild.

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[Rainwater]

After his condescending arrogance at the beginning of and throughout the series, these tears from McGrady were particularly satisfying. His hubris despite never making it out of the first round was comical. He's a punchline.

Other than averaging 30 in the playoff run, what exactly did he do during the series to show his condescending arrogance? lol. Did you want him to say “I suck”?

Go back and read his statements then. His comeuppance here was hilarious precisely because of how much he was running his mouth beforehand. He's never been one to lead a team anywhere; a loser, plain and simple.

Provide the statements during this series, you are the one making the claims here. The only time I remember T-Mac being arrogant is the Det series when they went up 3-0 but lost.

[JellosJigglin]

Revision history especially here on realgm. People want to forget that Kobe was the best perimeter player in the league for damn near a decade. Sure we marveled at the points tmac put up while he was racking up losses. The debate, if there even was one, was short lived. There were many others besides tmac that people tried putting up against Kobe but one by one he continuously proved he was on another level from the rest.

[3ddman23]

Revision history especially here on realgm. People want to forget that Kobe was the best perimeter player in the league for damn near a decade. Sure we marveled at the points tmac put up while he was racking up losses. The debate, if there even was one, was short lived. There were many others besides tmac that people tried putting up against Kobe but one by one he continuously proved he was on another level from the rest.

But the "racking up losses" part of this statement is what rubs me wrong, when no context is used. Replace t-mac with Kobe on those magic teams and I bet you the magic aren't much better then what they were with t-mac those years. A lot of this all has to do with luck as well, we can't sit there and act if t-mac didn't get a fully healthy grant hill that magic team wouldn't have been a top team in the east for years.... A lot of it is random luck

[Rainwater]

Revision history especially here on realgm. People want to forget that Kobe was the best perimeter player in the league for damn near a decade. Sure we marveled at the points tmac put up while he was racking up losses. The debate, if there even was one, was short lived. There were many others besides tmac that people tried putting up against Kobe but one by one he continuously proved he was on another level from the rest.

But the "racking up losses" part of this statement is what rubs me wrong, when no context is used. Replace t-mac with Kobe on those magic teams and I bet you the magic aren't much better then what they were with t-mac those years. A lot of this all has to do with luck as well, we can't sit there and act if t-mac didn't get a fully healthy grant hill that magic team wouldn't have been a top team in the east for years.... A lot of it is random luck

This is what bothers me. After Shaq left the lakers and before Gasol, Kobe essentially had the same exact team that T-Mac had in Orlando and didn’t have much more success. Without Shaq or Gasol Kobe never got out the first round. It got so bad Kobe asked to be traded. Put Kobe on those same Magic teams I really doubt Kobe accomplishes much more.

[John Murdoch]

U cant teach a guy to be a winner...either has it off rip or he doesnt

[Enso]

I did find it weird there was all this swap Kobe for Tmac talk and he'd win just as much with Shaq. Maybe so but Tmac just wasn't a winner and didn't have the mental toughness to even be in the same conversation as Kobe.

The fact that he never made it out of the first round as the leader of his team is an embarrassment. Some of those Houston teams were amazing he should have at least made it to one Conference Finals or an NBA finals.

He was so incredibly talented the guy just rested on his laurels

[3ddman23]

Revision history especially here on realgm. People want to forget that Kobe was the best perimeter player in the league for damn near a decade. Sure we marveled at the points tmac put up while he was racking up losses. The debate, if there even was one, was short lived. There were many others besides tmac that people tried putting up against Kobe but one by one he continuously proved he was on another level from the rest.

But the "racking up losses" part of this statement is what rubs me wrong, when no context is used. Replace t-mac with Kobe on those magic teams and I bet you the magic aren't much better then what they were with t-mac those years. A lot of this all has to do with luck as well, we can't sit there and act if t-mac didn't get a fully healthy grant hill that magic team wouldn't have been a top team in the east for years.... A lot of it is random luck

As this is what bothers me. After Shaq left the lakers and before Gasol, Kobe essentially had the same exact team that T-Mac had in Orlando and didn’t have much more success. Without Shaq or Gasol Kobe never got out the first round. It got so bad Kobe asked to be traded. Put Kobe on those same Magic teams I really doubt Kobe accomplishes much more.

Exactly that's my riff, look at Kobe those 2-3 season between shaq & pau (and the years after gasol left)and you essentially had t-mac on the magic. Life is like a dice game

[Sofia]

Your life has to be pretty depressing if you made 64 Million by the time you were 30 and you are recording yourself as a 43 year old rambling about a player you never even played with and something nobody really cares about in the first place.

Holy ****, LeBron is so old he’s less than 3 years younger than Kwame’s corpse

[Rust_Cohle]

T Mac getting past round 1 once in his entire career says it all

[Shock Defeat]

Out of pure curiosity, I clicked on account of person that made the twitter post. Everything is DESTROYED, ANNIHILATED, etc.

That's social media engagement farming for you. Not gonna click but who wants to bet they also have random siren and fire emojis when it's completely unnecessary and unrelated to the content.

[bkkrh]

Your life has to be pretty depressing if you made 64 Million by the time you were 30 and you are recording yourself as a 43 year old rambling about a player you never even played with and something nobody really cares about in the first place.

Holy ****, LeBron is so old he’s less than 3 years younger than Kwame’s corpse

The awkward moment when you are 5 months younger than Kwame Brown^^.