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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1701 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:57 am

dckingsfan wrote:I think a lot of this stems from ignorance not stupidity (or intelligence). If you haven't traveled extensively or done business or political transactions with others in different countries - well, its hard to get a reading on what people are really like.... My guess (okay hope) is that someone like Endless Loop goes out and does a bit of traveling to these places. It is eye opening...

100% -- & it has nothing whatever to do with stupidity. Just exposure, as you say. I was in Pakistan & India a bunch of time, trying to get a tech project going, about a quarter century ago. Have a ton of stories maybe I'll tell in another thread....
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1702 » by AFM » Sun Jun 15, 2025 1:08 am

payitforward wrote:
AFM wrote:...Iran is kind of a peculiar country because while it's obviously a theocracy, Iran has one of the youngest populations in the world--many are highly westernized and what I would call MINO (Musilims In Name Only)

Yes, & the current woman's movement for change, led & pushed by young women, is incredible -- brave &, in the long run, will be effective.

Moreover, Iran is a deeply cultured country. E.g. the greatest contemporary filmmakers of the last 30 years are Iranian -- & you can get most of their films on Amazon Prime. Robert De Niro is a familiar name, right? He's a big fan:



My favorite Kiarostami fillms include:

Ten
The Wind Will Carry Us
Taste of Cherry
Certified Copy
Like Someone in Love

For anyone practicing any are, especially film of course, this book, Lessons With Kiarostami, is an incredibly valuable book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1942782004?

Kiarostami died of cancer in 2016, alas. His amazing last film, 24 Frames, can be seen on youtube. It's experimental. I find it mesmerizing:


My favorite filmmaker working today is the Iranian Jafer Panahi -- his latest film won the Palme d'Or at Cannes a few weeks ago.

Panahi is banned from making films in Iran, but he makes them anyway! He's been in prison twice, but he keeps making movies. Watch Tehran Taxi or any of his other film; they're all wonderful. Pretty much all on Amazon Prime.

I've hijacked this thread long enough; sorry.


I don’t mind you bloviating when you’re complimenting my people

Have you seen this one?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGTHVYtP8Yy/?igsh=c2d0ZTFycjBzcGxk

You can find the full film on YouTube.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1703 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 15, 2025 1:30 am

No, but I'll check it out.

Bloviating?
dog...!

All I did was point at the work of people other than me!
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1704 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:58 pm

TGW wrote:People are pissed because he’s the best two way player this garbage trashbin of a franchise has had in ages, who made pennies on the dollar, and was under the age of 25. And you traded him for a pick in one of the weakest drafts in the past decade, and some random ass pick in 2030.

Stop acting like people don’t have a reason to be pissed.


Who's acting like that? Everyone knows we lost the trade at least here and now, I think some people are hyperventilating over how good he is, but that doesn't change it was a lost trade at least in the present, it also doesn't change that the player himself was not helpful to the long term interests of the franchise in the same way tanking was without him. Maybe that's just my opinion, but I just watched him play a great season in Portland and it meant ---- all to Portland's aspirations to actually be good, and Portland has a better roster than ours, so what good was he actually going to be here long term without the addition of multiple star level players? I would bet there's a HUGE chance we lose the '26 first, and fail to move the needle above a 30-40 win team the next half decade. That is where we've been the past 45 years and is nowhere.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1705 » by JRoy » Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:01 am

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dckingsfan wrote:https://hoopshype.com/rumor/grizzlies-targeting-deni-avdija/


Everyone has their price, I wonder what it would take to get him from the Blazers? I would be very surprised if they traded him.


Now they have picks to get it done if they are serious.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1706 » by Skybox » Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:11 pm

Has anyone heard a word about Brogdon? Why was he allowed to just expire for nothing? Is he toast - will he even be in the league next season?

I know he's a UFA, but lot's of teams would welcome an ambulatory Brogdon...if such a player still exists.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1707 » by nate33 » Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:14 pm

Skybox wrote:Has anyone heard a word about Brogdon? Why was he allowed to just expire for nothing? Is he toast - will he even be in the league next season?

I know he's a UFA, but lot's of teams would welcome an ambulatory Brogdon...if such a player still exists.

The Wizards won't be resigning him at anything near his current salary, so he will be an unrestricted free agent. My guess is that someone will offer at least the taxpayer MLE for him. The guy is made of glass though.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1708 » by gambitx777 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:24 am

All I want for Christmas is for this thread to get closed for good!

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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1709 » by dckingsfan » Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:34 pm

gambitx777 wrote:All I want for Christmas is for this thread to get closed for good!

Nice bump :wink:
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1710 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Tue Sep 2, 2025 1:46 am

Are you not entertained?!

Israel defeats France backed by Deni.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1711 » by Kanyewest » Tue Sep 2, 2025 3:31 am

Worthy of a bump!
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1712 » by The Consiglieri » Tue Sep 2, 2025 4:48 pm

Took a look at them, and they lost to Poland a few days earlier, so, it does seem like an out of nowhere result. Otoh, it's worth noting Deni produced almost identical #'s in the 2 point loss to Poland. So he seems like he's playing well. Sounds like Coulibaly is playing well for France. Apparently Sarr got injured, and is missing the rest of the tourney.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1713 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Tue Sep 2, 2025 6:25 pm

Is it me or is this someone you wanted as part of the rebuild?



Just helped Israel punch their ticket to knock phase of Euros with a game in hand still with this performance:

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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1714 » by nate33 » Tue Sep 2, 2025 6:51 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:Is it me or is this someone you wanted as part of the rebuild?



Just helped Israel punch their ticket to knock phase of Euros with a game in hand still with this performance:


I think it's fair to argue that if Deni was on the team last year, we would have won a few more games. Exactly how many more, it's tough to say. Interestingly, if we had won 5-7 more games, we would have have moved down to the 5th worst record (where Philadelphia ended up) and would have jumped up to the #3 pick.

With the #3 pick in hand, I don't think it would have been too hard to trade up for #2 and landed Harper. Maybe the #3 plus the #18 plus Champagnie would have done it.

So, going into this season, instead of Bub, Tre and Riley, we would have Harper and Deni (and no Portland 2029 FRP):

PG Harper/McCollum
SG Bilal/McCollum
SF Middleton/Whitmore
PF Avdija/Kyshawn
C Sarr/Bagley

The rebuild would already be over. That's a team that should win 30+ games right away, and 50 games after a couple years of seasoning and the acquisition of a good free agent center. Heck, Avdija would probably be an All-Star in the East.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1715 » by badinage » Tue Sep 2, 2025 9:39 pm

Let’s leave politics out of this thread, please.

Though comments about how this trade was colossally stupid are very welcome, as are any and all ruminations upon how good this team would be with Deni Avdija on it. (Tip of the hat to Nate.)
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1716 » by payitforward » Wed Sep 3, 2025 1:02 am

nate33 wrote:I think it's fair to argue that if Deni was on the team last year, we would have won a few more games. Exactly how many more, it's tough to say. Interestingly, if we had won 5-7 more games, we would have have moved down to the 5th worst record (where Philadelphia ended up) and would have jumped up to the #3 pick.

With the #3 pick in hand, I don't think it would have been too hard to trade up for #2 and landed Harper. Maybe the #3 plus the #18 plus Champagnie would have done it.

So, going into this season, instead of Bub, Tre and Riley, we would have Harper and Deni (and no Portland 2029 FRP):

PG Harper/McCollum
SG Bilal/McCollum
SF Middleton/Whitmore
PF Avdija/Kyshawn
C Sarr/Bagley

The rebuild would already be over. That's a team that should win 30+ games right away, and 50 games after a couple years of seasoning and the acquisition of a good free agent center. Heck, Avdija would probably be an All-Star in the East.

:)

Well it's early September, so I guess free association is in season.

Deni pushed Portland, almost single-handedly, from 21 wins to 35 wins. I'd say he was responsible for 9 of those extra wins. In the same minutes, w/ us he would have had the same effect on us.

Say, if Kuz had been gone & Deni had played all his '24-5 minutes and most of Kispert's minutes -- so that he got the same minutes more or less as in Portland -- he'd have taken us from 16 to about 25 wins easily.

Take a look at our pre-trade deadline record - 9-44 - vs. our post-trade deadline record - 9-20 - to see what i mean about Kuz's effect.

Then too, if Alex had played 900 minutes instead of 1800, & the extra 900 had gone to Valanciunas & Holmes, we would likely have won another 8 or more games easily.

In short, keep Deni & play our strongest line-ups consistently (instead of feeding minutes to the young) & we'd likely have won close to 35 games -- as Portland did.

edit -- oh yeah... goodbye Tre Johnson, hello Cedric Coward.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1717 » by doclinkin » Wed Sep 3, 2025 1:11 am

payitforward wrote:Then too, if Alex had played 900 minutes instead of 1800, & the extra 900 had gone to Valanciunas & Holmes, we would likely have won another 8 or more games easily.

In short, keep Deni & play our strongest line-ups consistently (instead of feeding minutes to the young) & we'd likely have won close to 35 games -- as Portland did.


And therefore landed the 11th pick in the lotto as Portland did. And thus lost our top 10 protected pick. Because of course we would.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1718 » by payitforward » Wed Sep 3, 2025 1:15 am

Aaaah, right -- bye bye Cedric Coward, hello nobody!
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1719 » by payitforward » Wed Sep 3, 2025 1:19 am

Note that none of this is an argument for trading Deni! That's not my point. But, like the rest of the world, this NBA roster stuff is a huge set if inter-dependent variables. You can't just say "keep Deni." You also don't get Tre. You also lose your pick to the Knicks, or you don't get a high pick next year. That's how the world works.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1720 » by payitforward » Wed Sep 3, 2025 1:30 am

So, now it starts to look like what we got back for Deni was

Carrington
Brogdon
R1 pick a few years hence
2 R2 picks a few years hence
Tre Johnson
Our '26 R1 pick (say one of Peterson, Dybantsa or Boozer)

Doesn't look quite so odd now, does it?

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